A petition to Viz and Toei regarding the new HD masters

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Iantuition

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SailorWelshy said:
Iantuition said:
And they made it MORE PULCHRITUDINOUS. That's the problem. They don't deserve an A for effort, they deserve an F for Failure and that is what they have roundly been given.
And that's without going down the winding road of if their masters were actually shitty and they didn't just mess them up, because the Italians and Mexicans seem to have had no problem releasing something that actually looks like it's worth money.
Look, you don't like the product, so don't buy it.

If we think Viz did a good job, then that's our opinion. So please don't tell us that we're wrong.
I... didn't buy it and I won't buy it. Duh.

If I think they did a BAD job, that's my opinion. You do NOT have to share it and you definitely don't have to hop on my quote button about it. It goes both ways.
 

SailorWelshy

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Iantuition said:
If I think they did a BAD job, that's my opinion. You do NOT have to share it.
Well you certainly wanted to share yours, as shown in your own words.

Iantuition said:
I know it's old but I don't see how y'all are acting like Viz is doing us such a great favor out of the goodness of their hearts by giving us PULCHRITUDINOUS materials trying to make a profit off of it.[/b]
 

Iantuition

Lapis Lunaris
Nov 17, 2014
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#43
SailorWelshy said:
Iantuition said:
If I think they did a BAD job, that's my opinion. You do NOT have to share it.
Well you certainly wanted to share yours, as shown in your own words.

Iantuition said:
I know it's old but I don't see how y'all are acting like Viz is doing us such a great favor out of the goodness of their hearts by giving us PULCHRITUDINOUS materials trying to make a profit off of it.[/b]
"If I think they did a BAD job, that's my opinion. You do NOT have to share it."

Read those two sentences again and think about them for FIVE SECONDS.
 

SailorWelshy

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Iantuition said:
Read those two sentences again and think about them for FIVE SECONDS.
I think you're missing the point, we said that VIZ was doing the best they could and you come along and ask us how we could think that.

For someone who says that I don't have to comment on other people's opinion, you're being very hypocritical.

Also, you need to calm down, good sir.
 
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#45
flash over said:
Ami Mizuno said:
If they didn't care they would nothave agreed Naoko's or Toei.
Naoko Takeuchi does not allow ANYTHING Sailor Moon to be done without her permission. It was in Viz's contract that they have to do everything by her, from voice actor approvals to how they handle lyric translations (it was her order that "Gomen-ne" remain intact in Moonlight Densetsu). Viz just used that to their advantage so that they can get us swooning over the fact that Naoko was involved.
I think that's been exaggerated some. I doubt Naoko Takeuchi has any more or less involvement in Sailor Moon than any other creator does for their series. A lot of those "creator approvals" may have just been Toei USA. Viz has been extremely vague with such approvals, and have not mentioned Naoko by name.

Iantuition said:
I know it's old but I don't see how y'all are acting like Viz is doing us such a great favor out of the goodness of their hearts by giving us PULCHRITUDINOUS materials trying to make a profit off of it. Bolded because that is the key word. PROFIT.
Well they are a business, and they kinda need to make a profit. :P I do think many people at Viz are Sailor Moon fans, as evidenced by their Moonlight Parties.
 
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#46
SailorWelshy said:
For someone who says that I don't have to comment on other people's opinion, you're being very hypocritical.
He wasn't saying that you don't have to comment on other people's opinion. He said you don't have to share (i.e. agree with) it.
 

SailorWelshy

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StarHealerTornado said:
SailorWelshy said:
For someone who says that I don't have to comment on other people's opinion, you're being very hypocritical.
He wasn't saying that you don't have to comment on other people's opinion. He said you don't have to share (i.e. agree with) it.
If that's the case, then why does he asks us how we can accept VIZ's work, why doesn't he just ignore our opinions?
 

Iantuition

Lapis Lunaris
Nov 17, 2014
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#48
SailorWelshy said:
Iantuition said:
Read those two sentences again and think about them for FIVE SECONDS.
I think you're missing the point, we said that VIZ was doing the best they could and you come along and ask us how we could think that.

For someone who says that I don't have to comment on other people's opinion, you're being very hypocritical.

Also, you need to calm down, good sir.
That is not anything near what I said. Apparently you need to read all of my posts on this page again.

You didn't comment on my opinion. You basically told me to shut up, albeit in a very silly and indirect manner. Clearly that's not going to happen, so I have yet to understand why you're still addressing me.

And you jump on my quote button with nothing to contribute to the discussion and I need to calm down? Oh. Let's not get into the discussion of what YOU need to do, honey.

SailorWelshy said:
If that's the case, then why does he asks us how we can accept VIZ's work, why doesn't he just ignore our opinions?
Because it is a message board intended for the discussion of opinions. If you cannot handle discussing opinions with people who might disagree with you, I suggest you delete your account and never communicate with another human being again.
 

Iantuition

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Nov 17, 2014
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#49
PurpleWarrior13 said:
Iantuition said:
I know it's old but I don't see how y'all are acting like Viz is doing us such a great favor out of the goodness of their hearts by giving us shitty materials trying to make a profit off of it. Bolded because that is the key word. PROFIT.
Well they are a business, and they kinda need to make a profit. :P I do think many people at Viz are Sailor Moon fans, as evidenced by their Moonlight Parties.
I agree and I understand, but I just don't really understand this idea that because they're fans and they're spending money on doing... whatever they're doing to the series, we should give them a pass, as if they don't stand to make that money back and then some. Keep in mind this is money that we're expected to give them. Quite a lot of money.

I mean, Sailor Moon Center did a substantially better job cleaning up the series but it wasn't perfect either. I give THEM a pass because that was free, so they really did do it out of the goodness of their hearts LOL.
 

SailorWelshy

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#50
"Iantuition"]

That is not anything near what I said. Apparently you need to read all of my posts on this page again.

You didn't comment on my opinion. You basically told me to shut up, albeit in a very silly and indirect manner. Clearly that's not going to happen, so I have yet to understand why you're still addressing me.
I didn't tell you to shut up, you asked us how we can say VIZ did a good job, and you kept on saying they gave us bad material, and I basically said if VIZ makes you angry, then don't buy their product, and respect other people's opinions about VIZ.

And you jump on my quote button with nothing to contribute to the discussion and I need to calm down? Oh. Let's not get into the discussion of what YOU need to do, honey.
What are you talking about? :?

Because it is a message board intended for the discussion of opinions. If you cannot handle discussing opinions with people who might disagree with you, I suggest you delete your account and never communicate with another human being again.
Again. what are you talking about? :? You bumped up a dead thread just to ask us how we can accept VIZ's material because you think its bad, and when we gave you some answers, you still didn't accept them, which is why I told you to just not buy their products because it's pretty convincing that nothing will change your mind, so really this "discussion" was not going to go anywhere. Except more unnecessary swearing.

And I know you're cross about VIZ, but I recommend you watch that swearing on here, since its not allowed.
 
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#52
Iantuition said:
PurpleWarrior13 said:
Iantuition said:
I know it's old but I don't see how y'all are acting like Viz is doing us such a great favor out of the goodness of their hearts by giving us shitty materials trying to make a profit off of it. Bolded because that is the key word. PROFIT.
Well they are a business, and they kinda need to make a profit. :P I do think many people at Viz are Sailor Moon fans, as evidenced by their Moonlight Parties.
I agree and I understand, but I just don't really understand this idea that because they're fans and they're spending money on doing... whatever they're doing to the series, we should give them a pass, as if they don't stand to make that money back and then some. Keep in mind this is money that we're expected to give them. Quite a lot of money.

I mean, Sailor Moon Center did a substantially better job cleaning up the series but it wasn't perfect either. I give THEM a pass because that was free, so they really did do it out of the goodness of their hearts LOL.
Oh I'm not saying we should give them a pass. I'm just pointing out that they ARE fans, and they're doing what THEY think works to make a profit, even if we disagree with them.
 
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#53
Hypno said:
SailorWelshy said:
Plus I don't think those Viz higher ups really care for Sailor Moon......Justin Sevakiss and his comments would be a good example.
Justin Sevakiss. To say the very least the man is a self-avowed cynic.

He's been condescendingly ragging on Sailor Moon and its fans for years and years. It's just one of a long list of mainstream anime that he likes to roll his eyes at but also would jump at the chance to help distribute.

As for his connection to Viz, he's certainly good friends with many of the higher-ups but I don't believe he is involved in any official capacity. You may have noticed he declined to participate in the ANNcast interview of Charlene Ingram and Julie McDonald.



I've heard from a friend that Charlene is in Tokyo this week on official anime-related business. We can only hope that it has something to do with negotiations for the new masters.
 

TESTAMENT

Lapis Lunaris
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SailorWelshy

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#59
Hypno said:
Thanks for the info! Shocked only 91 people signed though, did anyone here sign?
No.

Because I have better things to do then sign a petition just so one DVD can have better quality. Which didn't bother me in the first place.