Act 17 opinions

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Marumae

Lapis Lunaris
Jan 18, 2004
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You know I really don't understand why you are making such a big deal about me not being fond of Minako's actions :grey: . Whatever *shrugs*

The thing is she probably knows that she's not the princess because she wants the Dark Kingdom to find and attack her rather than the other Sailor Senshi. But now at least in the preview of Act 18, Venus sees the senshi needing help, and so appears to protect the real princess.
While we all know what is going to happen and that the plot officially points to that, (and what she said in the lastest episode (? or was it preview?) about a half a year more...? Talk about throwing us all in a loup)regardless it hasn't been show in any real solid evidence at least to me that she understand she's not the princess. Again perhaps this is merely a flaw of the writers but to me it seems that if that were true we'd be given some more hints, or at least a shadow of something more to prove this is the case. Remember when she first met Usagi and the way she reacted to her? Saying that well if I'm the princess then why is she Sailor Moon? Sure she's grown to some what appreciate her, but that to me seems the most solid evidence, as well as all of her private conversations with Atemis that she seriously thinks she is the princess.

When she explained to the senshi after her first appearance as Venus that she didn't need help, was she being rude? No, she merely said that the senshi should protect the Earth from youma, while she had "princess matters" but this was only an elusive way of stating that perhaps she wanted the youma to follow her since she had already exposed herself to the Dark Kingdom.
Notice that perhaps, she might have been distracting the Youma after she "exposed" herself to the dark kingdom, at least it seems if she's knows she's not the princess but as I pointed out above, from that episode it seems the most solid evidence that she doesn't know. And I interpreated it as is rude, it's obvious she knows more about them being senshi then they know themselves, then she should know that, that was one of their main goals. To find the princess, one of their great duties is to protect her but to so easily dismiss it as if it were nothing seems a bit harsh and unecessary to me.

Regardless of the "perhaps" and "well let's suppose that she's" and the "well I'm sure she's" I'm still not happy with Minako's actions. To me she's simply not the Minako I know and love and sit as my second favorite senshi (Pluto coming in first). I see her actions as uncessairly harsh and rude. Despite the "Reasons" for this as I said before and will leave at it that, again I understand the "reasons" why she's acting that way and just. don't. like it. and don't have to like it.
 

Nae

Lapis Lunaris
Dec 7, 2003
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Marumae said:
Despite the "Reasons" for this as I said before and will leave at it that, again I understand the "reasons" why she's acting that way and just. don't. like it. and don't have to like it.
^_______^
 

Malachite82

Lapis Lunaris
Nov 21, 2003
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Marumae said:
Regardless of the "perhaps" and "well let's suppose that she's" and the "well I'm sure she's" I'm still not happy with Minako's actions. To me she's simply not the Minako I know and love and sit as my second favorite senshi (Pluto coming in first). I see her actions as uncessairly harsh and rude. Despite the "Reasons" for this as I said before and will leave at it that, again I understand the "reasons" why she's acting that way and just. don't. like it. and don't have to like it.
Obviously, you must consider the reason why she exposed herself to the Dark Kingdom, and that to me suggests that she knows she's a decoy princess.

Venus was always my favorite character in the anime, and certainly my favorite now in PGSM, so to me I consider her actions as self-sacrificing and protective, not rude and aversive as you say she is.
 

Marumae

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Jan 18, 2004
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I figure we might as well agree to disagree, you see her actions as noble and self sacrificing and you seem to think that she knows she's the decoy princess while I interprate it as the exact oppsite. The truth is I HAVE considered all aspects of the Minako/Sailor Venus in the show and have turned it over and over again in my head because it's quite obvious regardless of whether she knows shes the princess or not she's certainly hiding something. She's one of the most ellusive figures on the LA and I have mulled over her actions AND her reasoning over and over again and I can't help but come back with negative feelings about it.

Again, let me CLARIFY THIS POINT ONE MORE TIME

I UNDERSTAND her reasons for acting the way she does, but again, as it is MY opinion I don't have to, nor do I LIKE the way she's acting.

I think we should perhaps end it here as we have gotten waaaaaaay Off Topic (refering to this is really supposed to be about ep. 17 not a Minako debate :oh: ).


I'm glad someone agrees with me ^_^ *huggles Rae*
 

Malachite82

Lapis Lunaris
Nov 21, 2003
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Sorry if we were getting off topic, but to me I think one of the reasons that you say you dislike Venus' actions is because you don't truly understand what she's doing....even if you say you do :)
 

Marumae

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Jan 18, 2004
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^_^ I see where you are coming from now yes, Oh don't apologize for getting off topic. I certainly did as well, I just didn't want us to get in trouble for straying off of the original topic of this entry.

In regards to Venus, we simply haven't seen that much of her yet, and for all I know I could be proven entirely wrong. In the next few episodes it looks like that will be amended so I personally cannot wait. :)
 
Sorry if I'm interrupting the flow of the discussion here, and for being a couple of days late too for that matter, but I'm new to the forum and I'd like to add my own opinion if I may.

Venus has always been my favorite senshi, hands down (even when I learned that the outers existed). When I saw her transformation sequence in ep. 17, I admit that more than anything else, I was overcome with a sort of uncontrollable joy. After seeing it a few times and reading the posts thus far, I do have to admit that it does deviate from the other senshis' henshins. Don't get me wrong, I love it, but maybe if the others looked like hers, then it wouldn't be a problem. The only things that irk me are that her hand motions when she's saying "Venus Power" don't make the 'L' shape that showcases her henshin bracelet like the others do, and her introductory speech doesn't have the same sky background.

As for her rhymes-with-'witchy' attitude, I do agree with the notion that she's not used to fighting as a team and doesn't know how to react to someone who cares about her well-being. And I would very much like to see a fun, happy-go-lucky Minako, so she better hurry and warm up to the others! :wink:

The whole Usagi/Mamoru thing has kinda got me scratching my head too. I'd like to delve into it more, but I know that it'll work out in the end.

Of course, those are just my opinions and the way I've interpreted things.
 
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Trident Beam said:
Venus has always been my favorite senshi, hands down (even when I learned that the outers existed). When I saw her transformation sequence in ep. 17, I admit that more than anything else, I was overcome with a sort of uncontrollable joy. After seeing it a few times and reading the posts thus far, I do have to admit that it does deviate from the other senshis' henshins. Don't get me wrong, I love it, but maybe if the others looked like hers, then it wouldn't be a problem. The only things that irk me are that her hand motions when she's saying "Venus Power" don't make the 'L' shape that showcases her henshin bracelet like the others do, and her introductory speech doesn't have the same sky background.
Venus' henshin is really like a drug. You know it's bad for you, but you just can't stop watching it. That's what's happened here. I'm really not a fan of it, yet I can't seem to pull myself away from it. There are so many inconsistencies and issues that arise from it, but it doesn't matter because I still watch it.

I like to call it the Sailor Ven...triloquist henshin because her lips don't move at all when she shouts "Make Up!" after waving her hand. I didn't know that the senshi could throw their voices. :D
 

dodgerfan

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Oct 23, 2003
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:PWell, I have to say right off the bat that, like Trident Beam and TuxedoKamenRider, I really like the Venus character! I think one of the problems that I and a lot of other viewers are having with the Venus of PGSM is that she is just so DIFFERENT fron the Venus we first got to know in the manga and ESPECIALLY in the anime! I must say that I would NEVER have expected to see Venus scold Mars in either the manga or the anime! The writers of this show have truly given Venus a very different personality and background, and I have just NO idea if this PGSM Venus is ever going to the the chummy, happy girl we got to know in our earlier experiences with the Sailor Moon story! One thing's for sure, I'm just dying to see how this all plays out in the next 2-4 weeks!
 
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It'll work out before the end, it'll work out right aw ay. Stop saying "the end". It'll work out in the beginning and in the middle. It's still the beginning of SM as a LA series. There's five seasons in all and if PGSM does do all seasons it'll work out in season 1, which would be the beginning. The end sounds so far, yet it is the beginning and close, not end, beginning.
 

QueenNepy

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Oct 21, 2003
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Marumae said:
I UNDERSTAND her reasons for acting the way she does, but again, as it is MY opinion I don't have to, nor do I LIKE the way she's acting.
You must really hate the Outer senshis then ^^V They constantly did that. The "follow-your-mission-or-protect-the-princess-and-forget-about-your-partners" thing. :wink:
 
Sep 10, 2003
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Marumae said:
Again, let me CLARIFY THIS POINT ONE MORE TIME

I UNDERSTAND her reasons for acting the way she does, but again, as it is MY opinion I don't have to, nor do I LIKE the way she's acting.

I think we should perhaps end it here as we have gotten waaaaaaay Off Topic (refering to this is really supposed to be about ep. 17 not a Minako debate :oh: ).


I'm glad someone agrees with me ^_^ *huggles Rae*
*pats poor Marumae* It's ok. I am disliking V's whole attitude. I liked her happy go lucky self in the Manga and Anime. Her pop star life went to her head :oh: Just kidding, just in case anyone takes that seriously.

I really want to see the episode. The summary is long, too lazy to read -___- I wonder why people pick on people when they don't like characters? So he/she/it doesn't like a character, they stated their reasons. Venus needs a slap from my hand, her mood is just so :wtf: and annoying.

Naru pisses the crap out of me. I don't care how she "changed" to nice, it just pissed me off how bitchy she was. No more liking Naru ¬¬

Minako's henshin sounds interesting. All the glam and stuff. I am angry that TV-Nihon is taking a while to subtitle it.
 

Antigone

Lapis Lunaris
Feb 4, 2004
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episode 17

I was just happy I saw the streetcar I used to take everyday to get to Waseda. :)

Eto... I am not a fan of how Venus is acting, either, but somehow when I see it, she's too pretty to be mad at. ^^;
 

Antigone

Lapis Lunaris
Feb 4, 2004
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this may be OT: Naru

Monkey D. Luffy said:
Naru pisses the crap out of me. I don't care how she "changed" to nice, it just pissed me off how bitchy she was. No more liking Naru ¬¬

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Yeah, not that Naru wasn't totally mean to Ami in that episode (and very blatant about it), but didn't Naru think she had a reason?

I always thought Naru was pretty nice to Ami until that time Ami threw her against the wall. Because she didn't know about the senshi-aspect of Usagi's life, what could Naru think but that Ami was "jealous" or "acting maliciously" to her (even Ami herself said those things). So it's like... she was being defensive, I think, rather then offensive to Ami.

HOWEVER, Ami, of course, didn't deserve that treatment at ALL b/c she was trying to protect Naru and Usagi-- and thus, Naru was a total b*tch!

But... Naru didn't realize just how MUCH of a b*tch she was being... maybe?

Or does she still piss everyone off? ^^ Just curious.

Still, though, her trying to set up Usagi with Mamoru-- I thought that was pretty cute-- she saw even what Usagi's close friends couldn't see.

PS.<b>Usagi and Mamoru</b>: I like most of the characters, too! Eventually. Just sometimes they don't make very good first impressions to me... :wink:

PPS. <b>Nae</b>: ^_^
 

Sakuya

Lapis Lunaris
Oct 9, 2003
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Monkey D. Luffy said:
I am angry that TV-Nihon is taking a while to subtitle it.
They are not even one bit late. Usually, TV-Nihon's sub comes out on Thursday. Right now, Act 17 is available in IRC as the release thread and TV-Nihon's website stated. :wink: Can't wait for BT though. :(
 
Sep 10, 2003
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I don't do the IRC channel. And usually they release it on Wednesdays. That's when I see it up. I think last week it was up on Wednesday. I would go check, but I still have to wait for Act. 17 no matter what. And I'm too lazy to argue. So, to me, they are later.