Anyone else did not like Uranus,and Neptune in the 90 s anime

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Same thing, Haruka and Michiru ruined S for me, they were basically bullies, and if they didnt changed their ways at last episode of S, if i were Sailor Moon/Serenty, i would take their powers away, they are too dangerous. Like Makoto said, they were no different from Daimons. At least in Crystal/manga they felt remorseful for their action and knew even if Hotaru dont have much time left, killing her is still bad, but they have to get their hands dirty, even if everyone else will hate them.
Agree the execution was so much better in the manga.Thry felt remorseful,
 
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Honestly I was on the side of them when they challenged Sailor Moon I understood their frustration with her for just giving the Holy Grail to Mistress 9 and again I liked the Outers because they were willing even though they didn't like it to make the hard decisions in order to save the world where as the Inners were basically just hoping for the best without any plan.

Also it was a while since I read the manga but I remember them attacking the Inners for not agreeing with their plan to kill Hotaru to stop the silence they may have saved Ami in the next chapter but even still the Inners and Outers were equally as hostile to each other in both the 90s anime and the manga so I don't get where people think that the Outers are so much nicer to them in the manga. Also I don't get you on the notion of Sailor Saturn not being a threat as she is basically portrayed as the Senshi of Destruction. That being said the Outers were wrong and Sailor Saturn was not a threat but rather Mistress 9 was but then again they knew that Mistress 9 possessed Hotaru so they thought that Mistress 9 would have Saturn's power which she sort of did.
Not true they did not attacked them because they did not want kill HotaruThey help them kill Meminite .Than attack them to get away . Their reasons were because they wanted to do this themselves,and not get others to involve.
 

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I love the edge they brought to the show. They were not like the Senshi we were used to. They brought an interesting dynamic.
I agree. They were not likeable and they did not prentend to be. They were badass rich bitches trying to save the planet at all costs and trying to be efficient and to not get distracted. But as we learn later, they got a heart, a good one indeed.
 

MariaTenebre

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Agree the execution was so much better in the manga.Thry felt remorseful,
They were remorseful in the 90s anime as well. They were shown to feel great guilt over having to take Heart Crystals to get the Talismans but were willing to do what was necessary to save the world. Again I don't see how you people think they were better in the manga as they were very much the same in the manga with their hostility to the Inners. In fact as I said before I was pretty much on the Outers side as unlike the Inners they were willing to do what was necessary to save the world as opposed to the Inners just hoping for the best. I was also on Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune's side in their anger for Sailor Moon when she gave the Holy Grail to Mistress 9.

I agree. They were not likeable and they did not prentend to be. They were badass rich bitches trying to save the planet at all costs and trying to be efficient and to not get distracted. But as we learn later, they got a heart, a good one indeed.
I mean I found them likable personally and again they were the only ones willing to do what was necessary to save the world.
 
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All I know that as I got older, for some weird reason Haruka became incredibly attractive girl to me, maybe even the best looking of them all. :(

Which is weird, because I remember initially her tomboyish look (where she almost looks like a beautiful boy) just didn't fit with her Senshi uniform, IMO.

Nowadays, when I see her, she's just insanely good looking as Uranus, and I'm fairly immune to the general look of anime girls.
 
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I have always seen Haruka as gorgeous. I think all of them are gorgeous but she's something out of this work. A Sky Queen and she will kick you butt.

As another poster mentioned, they had their moments where you would be like...I can't trust them but when you think about it....They were really down to saving the world at all cost..

To be honest, I was pissed that Usagi gave the Grail to Mistress 9 as well. Has this been another type of anime, that might not have turned out well for our girls.

I think an important episode for me was when Uranus and Sailor Moon were chained together by that Daimon. This is when I really started liking Uranus. Even though I like Neptune as well, this particular episode was funny when Eduial knocked her off the cliff. I still find that hilarious.

Even though they technically weren't there, I would have loved to know how they reacted during the time Queen B was close to overthrowing Earth and during the R movie.

They also served their purpose well when they were paired off in Nehellania's Nightmare in the first (best) part of Sailor Stars.
 
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Like many others I dislike both of them in the 90's anime.

I have a somewhat more favorable view of 90's Uranus than Neptune, because I did have some sympathy for her being ripped away from a normal life, but her backstory was too little, too late.

I think both would characters would have been more interesting if aside from the occasional moment of remorse, there had been some angst or signs that the two of them didn't want to and that their coldness was a front; if it had been shown that it hurt them to be uncaring, then at least I'd dislike their action but feel bad for their predicament. Instead, they both fed off each other in this toxic loop that made both fundamentally worse people. The only way they had pure hearts was if they were pure evil.
 

MariaTenebre

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Like many others I dislike both of them in the 90's anime.

I have a somewhat more favorable view of 90's Uranus than Neptune, because I did have some sympathy for her being ripped away from a normal life, but her backstory was too little, too late.

I think both would characters would have been more interesting if aside from the occasional moment of remorse, there had been some angst or signs that the two of them didn't want to and that their coldness was a front; if it had been shown that it hurt them to be uncaring, then at least I'd dislike their action but feel bad for their predicament. Instead, they both fed off each other in this toxic loop that made both fundamentally worse people. The only way they had pure hearts was if they were pure evil.
They did have moments like this. Haruka specifically felt her hands were ugly and stained with blood and Michiru comforted her. They were both shown feeling guilt and angst over what they had to do but were still willing to do it in order to save the world. According to all of the information known at the time the only way to save the world and stop the Silence of the Death Busters was to sacrifice the Talisman owners. Now they didn't like this and hated themselves for having to do it but were willing to do it unlike the Inners who were just hoping for the best but had no real alternative. Again as I mentioned before I was pretty much on Haruka and Michiru's side in S especially towards the end with their frustration in Sailor Moon for giving the Holy Grail to Mistress 9. Really what the Inners especially Sailor Moon did caused more calamity then anything the Outers did. They certainly were not pure evil they were noble heroes who again were willing to do what was necessary to save the world. Also I don't see why you have more sympathy to Haruka but not Michiru as they were both torn away from their normal lives to do their mission the only thing is we only saw Haruka's origin story but not Michiru's however Michiru was a human as well who was also born in this life too.
 

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If they had real tragic backstories that justified their action and they brought more life experience and wisdom to the table I could like and respect them more but they never come off as anything more than wannabe edgy spoiled rich jerks. The way they act they really come off as the most immature of them all because they can never sit down and have a civilized conversation like adults they always say dumb vague cryptic ish and then just resort to violence.
 
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To be honest, I love them in the anime. Their conflict and disagreement with the Inners is what makes them interesting to me. Before, it was like, here you just had the Inners with their idealistic philosophy, but here comes along Uranus and Neptune to shake that up and bring some depth and food for thought into the show. It's a classic moral and philosophical dilemma -- do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? Would you sacrifice the life of an innocent to save the whole world? The funny thing is though, in real life, I actually probably agree more with Sailor Moon's more optimistic, idealized viewpoint, but on the show I find Uranus and Neptune more interesting to watch.

The one complaint I do have though -- as heartbreaking and beautiful as their betrayal episode is in Stars (it's ranked as one of my all time favorite episodes) -- is that I would concede that they do regress a bit in development. The Nehelenia arc shows them learning to work alongside the Inners, but then towards the end, they're back to doing their own thing again.

I also like how Uranus is more abrasive while Neptune is slightly softer and more compassionate. In general, I'm grateful to them for making Sailor Moon a more interesting and deeper show. :) Can you imagine how boring the show would've been with just the Inner's idealized do-good philosophy in every situation?
 

MariaTenebre

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If they had real tragic backstories that justified their action and they brought more life experience and wisdom to the table I could like and respect them more but they never come off as anything more than wannabe edgy spoiled rich jerks. The way they act they really come off as the most immature of them all because they can never sit down and have a civilized conversation like adults they always say dumb vague cryptic ish and then just resort to violence.
They did have backstories or atleast Haruka did also they tried to tell the Inners about what was necessary to save the world and the Inners wouldn't listen they were just let's hope for the best and we won't have to sacrifice someone. Also the Outers were shown hating the notion of having to sacrifice someone for the talismans but unlike the Inners were willing to do what appeared to be necessary to stop the Silence.

To be honest, I love them in the anime. Their conflict and disagreement with the Inners is what makes them interesting to me. Before, it was like, here you just had the Inners with their idealistic philosophy, but here comes along Uranus and Neptune to shake that up and bring some depth and food for thought into the show. It's a classic moral and philosophical dilemma -- do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? Would you sacrifice the life of an innocent to save the whole world? The funny thing is though, in real life, I actually probably agree more with Sailor Moon's more optimistic, idealized viewpoint, but on the show I find Uranus and Neptune more interesting to watch.

The one complaint I do have though -- as heartbreaking and beautiful as their betrayal episode is in Stars (it's ranked as one of my all time favorite episodes) -- is that I would concede that they do regress a bit in development. The Nehelenia arc shows them learning to work alongside the Inners, but then towards the end, they're back to doing their own thing again.

I also like how Uranus is more abrasive while Neptune is slightly softer and more compassionate. In general, I'm grateful to them for making Sailor Moon a more interesting and deeper show. :) Can you imagine how boring the show would've been with just the Inner's idealized do-good philosophy in every situation?
I don't think the betrayal in Sailor Stars was a regression because it wasn't really a betrayal. They basically wanted to get Sailor Galaxia's bracelets so they could use her own weapons against her. They thought if they could take her Star Seed they could kill her and restore everyone else's Star Seed's. It may not have been the best plan in the world but they had a plan. Plus I always thought that Sailor Pluto and Sailor Saturn were in on the plan and willingly gave their lives to keep the ruse up which I think is shown by how Setsuna and Hotaru have no ill will towards Haruka and Michiru after the event.
 

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They did have backstories or atleast Haruka did also they tried to tell the Inners about what was necessary to save the world and the Inners wouldn't listen they were just let's hope for the best and we won't have to sacrifice someone. Also the Outers were shown hating the notion of having to sacrifice someone for the talismans but unlike the Inners were willing to do what appeared to be necessary to stop the Silence.

When they went into their back story I didn't find it particularly sympathetic if anything it made them come off as much more annoying since it highlighted how little they care for others and how they never really have to work for anything. The privilege and natural talent stuff is really obnoxious and what they have seen should make them more sympathetic to what Sailor Moon is trying to accomplish. It would be one thing if it came down to one big moment where they have to clash because they think there is no other way but they are just plain difficult and making the season into this dumb pissing contest when they could just work together. There is nothing more beautiful than watching people who hate each other begrudingly work together because they have a common goal.

I don't think the betrayal in Sailor Stars was a regression because it wasn't really a betrayal. They basically wanted to get Sailor Galaxia's bracelets so they could use her own weapons against her. They thought if they could take her Star Seed they could kill her and restore everyone else's Star Seed's. It may not have been the best plan in the world but they had a plan. Plus I always thought that Sailor Pluto and Sailor Saturn were in on the plan and willingly gave their lives to keep the ruse up which I think is shown by how Setsuna and Hotaru have no ill will towards Haruka and Michiru after the event.
Their little miscalculation is still murder though. There is no suggestion that anyone else is in on the plan and I imagine they would have kept it an absolute secret so as not to give any tip off to Galaxia. I personally believe everyone was equally in the dark they just decided to gamble other people's lives because they were over confident in their own abilities I imagine it was justified in their mind because they were also willing to bet their lives on their plan but it was still a horrible idea that crippled them prematurely.
 

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Their little miscalculation is still murder though. There is no suggestion that anyone else is in on the plan and I imagine they would have kept it an absolute secret so as not to give any tip off to Galaxia. I personally believe everyone was equally in the dark they just decided to gamble other people's lives because they were over confident in their own abilities I imagine it was justified in their mind because they were also willing to bet their lives on their plan but it was still a horrible idea that crippled them prematurely.
Actually I think that Sailor Pluto and Sailor Saturn were in on it. The proof is that they show no ill will toward Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune afterwards. They most likely feigned shock at the betrayal and were simply excellent actors. Besides if their plan worked and they were able to take Sailor Galaxia's Star Seed and kill her then maybe they could give back the Star Seed's Sailor Galaxia took from not just Sailor Pluto and Sailor Saturn but the other Senshi as well. This isn't the first time the Senshi tried to enact a ruse on the villains to trick them. It may not have been a good plan but it was still a plan they had good intentions for.
 
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I don't think the betrayal in Sailor Stars was a regression because it wasn't really a betrayal. They basically wanted to get Sailor Galaxia's bracelets so they could use her own weapons against her. They thought if they could take her Star Seed they could kill her and restore everyone else's Star Seed's. It may not have been the best plan in the world but they had a plan. Plus I always thought that Sailor Pluto and Sailor Saturn were in on the plan and willingly gave their lives to keep the ruse up which I think is shown by how Setsuna and Hotaru have no ill will towards Haruka and Michiru after the event.
I do wonder why they thought she had a Star Seed. She wears bracelets as well, so empirical evidence would make one believe that she doesn't have a Star Seed because she wears those bracelets like other members of the Shadow Galactica.
 

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Actually I think that Sailor Pluto and Sailor Saturn were in on it. The proof is that they show no ill will toward Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune afterwards. They most likely feigned shock at the betrayal and were simply excellent actors. Besides if their plan worked and they were able to take Sailor Galaxia's Star Seed and kill her then maybe they could give back the Star Seed's Sailor Galaxia took from not just Sailor Pluto and Sailor Saturn but the other Senshi as well. This isn't the first time the Senshi tried to enact a ruse on the villains to trick them. It may not have been a good plan but it was still a plan they had good intentions for.
There is no evidence of that but Uranus is actually the one that actually mentions having hands that are stained by the blood of betrayal and then there are mentions of them going to hell and having to do things their own way. What about that indicates that it was a mutually agreed upon plan?
 

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There is no evidence of that but Uranus is actually the one that actually mentions having hands that are stained by the blood of betrayal and then there are mentions of them going to hell and having to do things their own way. What about that indicates that it was a mutually agreed upon plan?
The biggest indication is the fact that Setsuna and Hotaru had no bad blood with them afterwards plus the Outers tend to plot and plan among themselves so I imagine this was a ruse attempted on Galaxia.
 
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Their little miscalculation is still murder though. There is no suggestion that anyone else is in on the plan and I imagine they would have kept it an absolute secret so as not to give any tip off to Galaxia. I personally believe everyone was equally in the dark they just decided to gamble other people's lives because they were over confident in their own abilities I imagine it was justified in their mind because they were also willing to bet their lives on their plan but it was still a horrible idea that crippled them prematurely.
Okay I get so sick of the defense. You do not sacrifice other people for your plan.What they did was wrong.It be one thing if they were given permission by pluto and Saturn
 

MariaTenebre

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Okay I get so sick of the defense. You do not sacrifice other people for your plan.What they did was wrong.It be one thing if they were given permission by pluto and Saturn
Their plan was that if they get Galaxia's Star Seed though they could bring back Sailor Pluto and Sailor Saturn and all the other Senshi whose Star Seed Sailor Galaxia. Stole I also always thought that Sailor Pluto and Sailor Saturn were in on the plan.