Anyone else not like season 3's art style?

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sapphire91

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He obmited most of the details anyway. Even during the Crystal S1 and 2 he did his own thing, not even trying to follow the designs. For me he is the equivallent of Masahiro Ando from the 90s, artist that should draw the comic scenes and gags, but not the one doing the actual character designs.
 

sapphire91

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I loved it. Fluid animation.
Well, it wasn't even that fluid to justify that amount of downgrade in detail, plus when it was really fluid was when Keiko Iwata animated and the detail was all there. It is up to the animator. When a decent animator did it in the more fluid moments they looked different than the designs. I doubt the big profile noses, flusted hentai cheeks, big heads and wide mouths added to the fluidity. I believe most of these were Khon's ideas though - as these are present in most of her previous works. But this is Sailor Moon not lolly fest Higurashi. She is good as a director, but I hope she won't put her infuence on Tadano's designs.
 
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Well, it wasn't even that fluid to justify that amount of downgrade in detail, plus when it was really fluid was when Keiko Iwata animated and the detail was all there. It is up to the animator. When a decent animator did it in the more fluid moments they looked different than the designs. I doubt the big profile noses, flusted hentai cheeks, big heads and wide mouths added to the fluidity. I believe most of these were Khon's ideas though - as these are present in most of her previous works. But this is Sailor Moon not lolly fest Higurashi. She is good as a director, but I hope she won't put her infuence on Tadano's designs.
The downgrade in detail wasnt THAT big though, specially not in the actual episodes. In the promotional art sure, Crystal episodes very rarely looked as close to the actual art.

Also i already heard that s3 is moe, now people call it loli... :googly:
I feel like people should watch some actual moe-like anime before they call S3 that way. Like this for example
 

sapphire91

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I agree it could have been worse, I just hope now that we have a character design with more old school shoujo experience some of the elegance will be back and the movie format will somehow make it stick. They should reveal these new designs already so we know what we are waiting for.
 

sapphire91

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This is what i was refering too. See the resemblance?
Otherwise I dig he idea of art change for each new season - it makes us guessing and anticipate something new each time. There are so many different styles out there and it is cool seeing your franchise presented in different ways. I dig the 4d art sytle as well. Too bad we won't see it released. Sailor Moon has been adapted in way more shapes and forms than most anime and it is actually awesome.




I love these, by the way. Out of everything I have seen this is the closest to manga as a feeling.

 
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Clow

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Well, it wasn't even that fluid to justify that amount of downgrade in detail, plus when it was really fluid was when Keiko Iwata animated and the detail was all there. It is up to the animator. When a decent animator did it in the more fluid moments they looked different than the designs. I doubt the big profile noses, flusted hentai cheeks, big heads and wide mouths added to the fluidity. I believe most of these were Khon's ideas though - as these are present in most of her previous works. But this is Sailor Moon not lolly fest Higurashi. She is good as a director, but I hope she won't put her infuence on Tadano's designs.
Well, kindly keep in mind that my comment about the animation being more fluid is based on my personal experience watching seasons 1 and 2. The characters were poorly drawn and their movements felt too stiff (for example, Mamoru and Usagi dancing in the "Masquerade" episode). And, no, I didn't watch the DVDs or BDs with improved animation, so I don't have an opinion on that.
 

sapphire91

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We can all agree the first two season were not executed well - both as adaptation and animation. The bluray clean ups helped a lot, but they didn't really improved movements with few exceptions. The topic, however, is for the art style and not the animation itself. As we are talking about Toei the artstyle intended for season 1 and 2 was too much for their rushed production to handle, so some some simplifying was indeed needed. I just think they went a bit too far and while I like the irises better in season 3, the mouths the noses, the skirts, the bubble hair was a bit too much as well as the in your face boobs here and there, although they look a lot younger. When done by one of the better animators Season 3 looked gorgeous - like the Tellu episode - by simply adding shadows, a bit detail and less wide mouths it looks indeed charming.
 

Clow

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I agree. Speaking from a purely aesthetic angle, I feel that the character designs for seasons 1 and 2 were far more detailed and superior to those from season 3.

Quoting sapphire91, though, the character designs for seasons 1 and 2 were too much for a rushed TOEI production. For this sole reason, I feel that they are beautiful, yes, but, sadly, not functional.
 

sapphire91

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I never argued the functionality of the designs - when outsourcing some changes are needed to make it easier to animate by less experienced stuff, but they could have put some effort to make the art style a bit better. The scenes were some detail was present were indeed good. But the overall animation quality was not all that fluid, animation flaws were still present, inconsistencies with costumes and hair colors were still there. They made their job easier but still didn't put enough effort.
 

sapphire91

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The only thing I miss are the more detailed designs and the shadows in hair and costumes, CGI transformations were a huge shocl when i see it for the first time. But they were well composed. If they were done in 2d they would have been gorgeous. Still Venus transformation was phenomenal een in 3d
 
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The downgrade in detail wasnt THAT big though, specially not in the actual episodes. In the promotional art sure, Crystal episodes very rarely looked as close to the actual art.

Also i already heard that s3 is moe, now people call it loli... :googly:
I feel like people should watch some actual moe-like anime before they call S3 that way. Like this for example
This is terrifying!!
 

cuau_cg

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The only thing I miss are the more detailed designs and the shadows in hair and costumes, CGI transformations were a huge shocl when i see it for the first time. But they were well composed. If they were done in 2d they would have been gorgeous. Still Venus transformation was phenomenal een in 3d
They should have done a mix between 2D body figures with 3D special effects. Venus without ribbons was a total dissappointment in Crystal 3.