Art Theft and Tracing.

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Yinggirl

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DeviantArt

On my eve of MissDramu, there are two things fans hate about fanart of this series: recolors and tracing.

Strange, whenever I doodle my OC, I used a Sailor Mars/Venus pic as reference. And there are YouTube that feature recolored OCs.
Anyways, after a deleted post on tumblr on how this crazy ***** had issues with me exposing her OC and mocking my site from a journal she posted, I thought I can forgive her.

My snarking levels are livid. And I'm already really paranoid due to IRL problems.

It's nice to see fellow moonies fight against a common enemy.
 

godot

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I'll read about it later but I do want to mention something.

DeviantArt seems to have alooot of tracers and art thieves. It sucks big time when I see stolen art. The staff is just lazy with everything.

Edit: just read it and HOLY MOLEY 71 ARTISTS DUDE.
 
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There have been countless videos and blogs about this to the point where the victims have become the bullies. I get tired of the piling on.

As someone who cannot draw and has tried, I know firsthand that practicing and drawing will not make someone improve. There are countless artists who bought into that lie and in the end, they become infamous for not being able to draw. Drawing may be a skill, but you have to have an aptitude for the skill to develop it.

It's wrong of her to sell traced art? Yes. That's dead wrong.

But she's made fan art out of other people's fan art. I'm not saying creators don't have the right to make fan art, but the companies by and large, turn a blind eye to the rampant trademark infringement that allows fan-creators to sell their fan art and not get slapped with lawsuits.

Why can't these artists have the same leeway to those who take from their work? Why go on witch hunts on tracers to make sure they are hated by everyone forever and ever? I'll say this. Tracing is awful, but it isn't the same as people who outright steal whole work. Tracing is more like plagiarism; unauthorized copying of work but it can be used to express an original idea. By contrast, people who simply steal other people's work and present it as their own aren't even doing that. Tracing might be lazy, but it is a step above taking a fan work and putting it on a T-shirt to sell. There is a transformative element in play in her works, no matter how many artists may want to deny it (she copied poses and proportions, but she did alter significant details; that people have to "prove" she traced is actually evidence of original thought occurring).

Maybe if we hadn't gotten to the point where it was okay to sell fan art, then maybe someone wouldn't try to sell traced fan art as fan art.

Borrowing begets borrowing.
 
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Yinggirl

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Thanks to FireFlea on DA, Nads6969 basically made commissions by using other people's work. It took roughly 11 cease and desist letters before she was banned. I am roughly her age too and on DA too. I don't trace all my works since I have a knack for doodling into notebooks.

Also on her ED post, Nads6969 named one of her characters, Holocaust. When fans of her told her her insensitivity, she double down and refuses to change the name, because if people hate her, their opinions don't matter. She also stole someone's OC to add into her ongoing comic, when they told her politely to remove her character.

Am I a bully because I don't like Nads6969? No. I'm not going to doxxed her because she is a horrible person. But someone should tell her having internet fights online are not more valuable than raising a kid.
 
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You're not a bully for not liking her. You're not a bully for expressing that dislike, or even criticizing her tracing. I am not defending the selling of traced, uncredited art.

However, when people get together to make fun of her and use their popularity to cancel her, or post videos like this well after the fact while while making money from those videos, then yes, that is bullying and just as, if not more despicable than the original offense. They're profiting off her suffering and indirectly the suffering of their fellow artists, since they weren't the victims. If it's wrong to make money off the pain of an artist like Nads6969 did, then it's wrong for them to do the same, especially when they're claiming to be a voice for all the people she stole from.

This isn't just hypocritical. It's childish and damaging.

Also, there's something called disproportionate retribution. Getting Nads6969 kicked of DA is bad enough, but understandable. But attacking her personally for her age, her motherhood status, and going to her private Pinterest to make fun of her is beyond the pale. She's gone. Why would anyone make sure she and the works she made -- and as much they are ripoffs, they are still *in part* her work -- is banished forever or perhaps bullied to suicide? You mention having internet fights are not more valuable than raising a kid, but there are only Internet fights because people are having them with her. There comes a point where it's better to leave her be. She's harmless.

Worst yet is criticizing her for blocking people she sees as harassers. If you can block you don't like, so can she. There's no difference. Allowing certain people to curtail an audience and depriving other people from that same choice is actively harmful. If it's wrong for her to dismiss a viewpoint of someone who hates her, it's for anyone to do that.

It's not right to pick on anyone like this over Internet foolishness, especially the Sailor Moon community. Instead of using this as an opportunity to actually practice the love and forgiveness this franchise is known for, instead, fans just decide to make people non-persons. I don't care if the target is a powerful e-celebrity like Doug Walker or a nobody. I can't take glee in the downfall of someone who is essentially no longer able to create. It would have been better to leave her alone but spread the word of what she did (and explain why it was wrong) instead of trying to take her down and make her into some sort of bogeyman when now she can't even defend herself.

Nobody is an "acceptable target."
 

Yinggirl

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I understand. I managed to get the whole AC Fandom to hate me years ago. Here's a recent post from leopup13, who tries to diffuse the situation.

I want this to end, I want her to stop, I want everyone to be able to draw in peace without having to worry about their pieces being taken, their ocs abused and their designs torn apart because of her ideals. So please, make sure you see it from someone else's standpoint who can't see what you see. We are all in the dark. But I'm not going to fight you, if you are going to be attacking me purely because I wish for things to end.

I get their anger cause you put months of efforts into your own works, only to find out someone else copying your works and getting insanely popular with it. Most people hate Nads6969 for not asking to use artwork as a reference and she flats out admits she traces. I guess some fans are out for vengeance when it's just a drawing.