Crystal Henshin

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Theedqueen

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#1
I was wondering if anyone ever noticed that when the inner senshi transform into their super forms in the anime, that the crescent moon atop those ball wathcamacallits are first sitting between wings, b/ when the ball attaches itself to the rest of the stick, it's suddenly in a star. What's up with that?
 

kurisu

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Jan 31, 2004
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snk777 said:
I guess it just looks pretty! :ohmy: Does anyone else here think that the "Outers" transform into their Super Forms by using their talismans? That's what I have alway believed.
In the anime version I don't think this is the case. In the first episode of the Stars Arc where they become super, the talismans were not even a major part of the episode. Michiru had her mirror in her cute and small backpack. Pluto's was there too, but just becuase she has to have the Garnet Rod. Haruka's talisman wasn't there at all... My guess is that they still used their old henshin robs or they didn't use anything. Who knows though. But its fun to guess.
 

Saphir

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Aug 25, 2003
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#4
In episode 190, when Haruka, Michiru, and Setsuna are standing atop the building and the moonlight is obscured, when the moonlight returns they've silently transformed. The Space Sword and the Deep Aqua Mirror aren't shown. It also seems to suggest that the three of them don't need to say anything to transform.
 
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#5
Saphir said:
In episode 190, when Haruka, Michiru, and Setsuna are standing atop the building and the moonlight is obscured, when the moonlight returns they've silently transformed. The Space Sword and the Deep Aqua Mirror aren't shown. It also seems to suggest that the three of them don't need to say anything to transform.
Sailors Star Healer and Star Maker didn't say anything either in the same episode. we know they have a transformation phrase, so it's not well supported that the Soldiers of the Outer Solar System don't say anythign to transform.

We also have evidence from Michiru's Stars single that she ahs a transformation phrase. In her prologue, she says "Neptune Crystal Power! Make-up!!" Well, evidently, she has a phrase, even though it isn't shown nor heard in the anime itself. She uses the adjective 'crystal' in the pharse which would suggest that the talismans are not used to transform. I wouldn't say their Lip Rods are used to transform to their Super stage because the top resembles a planet, hence "[planet] Planet Power! Make-up!!" I wouldn't be surprised if their transformation rods were smilar to the Four Guardian Dieties' Crystal Change Rods.
I would expect the SotOSS to have crystals of their respective colors and their symbol inside of them. Behind those, their respective talismans. Saturn's [talisman-like item] might be the Silence Glaive.
 

Saphir

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#6
However, Pluto's Stars Prologue has her say: "Pluto Planet Power, Make-up!". (Uranus didn't get a Stars Prologue, and Saturn doesn't call out a transformation phrase in hers).

It's possible that none of the girls really <b>need</b> to call out a transformation phrase, and that it's just there for dramatic effect. Note that in episode 172, Usagi manages to transform into Eternal Sailormoon without calling out "Moon Eternal, Make-up!".

We've also seen them pull off their attacks without calling the names, so it is quite possible.
 
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#7
Well, Pluto was in her initial form in Sailor Stars, so perhaps her prologue was supposed to take place before her power up?

If there transformation phrase was supposed to remain the same, why does Michiru call out "Neptune Crystal Power! Make-up!!"? If they don't say anything at all to transform, what is "Neptune Crystal Power! Make-up!!"'s purpose? In Michiru's prologue, she gave her speach and introduced herself as sailor Neptune after calling out the phrase.

I stand that the Soldiers of the Outer Solar System say "[planet] Crystal Power! Make-up!!" to become Super Sailor Soldiers. Their transformation item is questionable, though.
 

tsukino usagi

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#8
It's possible that none of the girls really <b>need</b> to call out a transformation phrase, and that it's just there for dramatic effect. Note that in episode 172, Usagi manages to transform into Eternal Sailormoon without calling out "Moon Eternal, Make-up!".

We've also seen them pull off their attacks without calling the names, so it is quite possible.
that's possible, but I still think the transformation phrase is imporant - and cause, it sounds cool.

In the attacks or transformations without calling the names, I think they were just trying to save time or something, because a henshin or a full attack does take some time. =)[/quote]
 

TuxedoStarr

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#10
As far as I'm concerned about the Outers henshin phrase for Stars, I think the animators got lazy and ran out of ideas for their sequences. Which just sucks. And for Saturn, I think it's really stupid that she has one attack that she never gets to use to its full potential when it wouldn't even have killed her to begin with, in the manga. Urk. *restrains self from rant*
 

Saphir

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#11
Do you mean Death Reborn Revolution?

As for the animators, well, they had a brain drain from animating two seperate Starlight sequences (really, was that even necessary?) and couldn't think of clever ways to make the four Outer Soldiers all sparkly in their new outfits.
 
#12
theedqueen said:
I was wondering if anyone ever noticed that when the inner senshi transform into their super forms in the anime, that the crescent moon atop those ball wathcamacallits are first sitting between wings, b/ when the ball attaches itself to the rest of the stick, it's suddenly in a star. What's up with that?
I have no clue, though I would've loved if they would've used their planet crystals like they do in the manga, the super wands look a little cumbersome to me.
 
#13
TuxedoStarr said:
And for Saturn, I think it's really stupid that she has one attack that she never gets to use to its full potential when it wouldn't even have killed her to begin with, in the manga. Urk. *restrains self from rant*
I do not want to sound like I am ranting, but I have some things to say:

Sailor Saturn has several maneuvers in the anime. She can bring down the Silence Glaive to destroy the world, but even she cannot escape her world-destroying power. She can also perform Silence Wall (or Silent Wall in some episodes), which protects her and her allies against attacks. (The BSSM Sailor Stars Authoritative Edition shows Silence Wall.) She also has her Silence Glaive Surprise, which is a maneuver that helps in making her enemies stop attacking her (because they are distracted). Unfortunately, too many people think that the anime version of Silence Glaive Surprise is directly connected to her bringing-down of the Silence Glaive so that we never get to see the full version of SGS. I think the reason that people think that is that they are not aware what Sailor Saturn needs to do to unleash her world-destroying power.

Sailor Saturn's manga powers are similar. The manga version of Silence Glaive Surprise involves a mist-like substance, but its anime version involves purple lights. She can perform Death Reborn Revolution in the manga, but that does not kill her and it does not significantly affect the world.

I am annoyed that she did not get a transformation sequence in the anime. She certainly deserves at least one.
 

TuxedoStarr

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#14
In regards to Saturn: Sorry about any confusion. I meant Silence Glaive Surprise. Which, in the manga, was an attack just like any other. I'm leaving Death Reborn Revolution alone. (THAT would make an AWESOME attack sequence, though, ne? Especially if it looked anything like the manga. *drools*) I mean, in the anime, there was a big deal about Saturn using SGS against Nehelenia because she'd be killed as well--death being a two-edged sword and all that. Because of her lack of being able to do a thing in the Stars anime arc other than swing her glaive around menacingly at Galaxia and destroying Nehelenia's castle, I often think of her as the least effective/useful character. Sorry, Saturn fans. I love her in the manga though, she definitely kicks some arse. :wink:
 

Theedqueen

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Feb 13, 2004
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#15
Yea, Saturn definitely got gyped in the anime. Regardless of the fact that she got very little screen time compared to what she should have gotten according to the manga, she was also deprived of at least one good attack and henshin sequence. I'm glad they have a live action version of sailormoon and all, but I would really love to see a revamped version of the anime with a lot more emphasis on the outer senshi (especially saturn) than there had been previously.
 

kurisu

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theedqueen said:
Yea, Saturn definitely got gyped in the anime. Regardless of the fact that she got very little screen time compared to what she should have gotten according to the manga, she was also deprived of at least one good attack and henshin sequence. I'm glad they have a live action version of sailormoon and all, but I would really love to see a revamped version of the anime with a lot more emphasis on the outer senshi (especially saturn) than there had been previously.
I agree! More focus on the outers would have been nice. Mainly, I would have really liked to learn more about Michiru's lifestyle before she was with Uranus. Fighting alone as Neptune with no partner. I really would have liked to see how she awakened as a senshi too. Was it something similiar to Haruka's awakening, where she got attacked by a pod daimon.. Or did she get constant visions of the end of the world. Also, I wanted to see what Pluto's daily life is like at the Door of Time. Maybe if PGSM goes as far as the Infinity Arc, we can see a more in-depth story about the outers. I hope so.
 
#17
TuxedoStarr said:
I mean, in the anime, there was a big deal about Saturn using SGS against Nehelenia because she'd be killed as well--death being a two-edged sword and all that.
I explained Silence Glaive Surprise in my previous post. ^_^