Deleted and Altered Scenes from the 90s Anime?

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Jawshx

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Oh my god, I would have loved to see the Amazon Trio in the finale! It’s infuriating that they had this idea but didn’t incorporate it for whatever reason.

Also the existence of an Amazon Universe is a game changer. It would make the whole thing make a lot more sense than them seemingly being awakened from the ‘jungle’ as Naoko so vaguely wrote it. I wonder if this was actually Naoko’s input of just an idea from the anime writers..
 

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Was it actually stated what Jungle the Amazones Quartet met Nehellenia in? I have heard some people say things like it being Earth's Amazon Jungle Rainforest in Brazil or even one source saying it is the "Amazon Jungle of the Asteroid Belt." This Amazon universe does sound like a cool concept though. Really beyond that I would also love to know what the name of the Asteroid that Nehellenia's Kingdom was on as well whether it is a real one or a fictitous one. One thing we do know is that it is atleast close enough to view our Earth's Moon based on the shot of it on the epsidoe with the Flashback to when Nehellenia was the Queen of her Kingdom and before she saw the dark creature in the mirror that told her that she would become decrepit and ugly and she devoured her subject's dream mirrors. Which on another thread I did mention how I honestly thought that Sailor Astarte from the second Dracul arc musical was inspired by Nehellenia and Lilith of Darkness by Zirconia in a similar way to say how Death Lamia on the first Dracul arc musical is inspired by Kaolinine. Really though I felt that the first Dracul arc musical was inspired by Sailor Moon S/The Mugen arc and the second was inspired by Sailor Moon SuperS/The Dream arc.
 

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Episode 173: In the show, Usagi tries to sneak into the off-limits film crew area, only to be (gently) scolded by Seiya, who calls her "odango" as he leaves. Originally, Usagi, frustrated with being unable to see the filming, was supposed to kick an empty can that would hit Seiya (who was taking a nap) on the head, resulting in an exchange similar to the one Usagi and Mamoru had in episode 1, and ending with Seiya calling Usagi "odango-atama."

Episode 174: In the scene where Iron Mouse is speaking to Galaxia, Galaxia was not supposed to appear in person yet; she was still just supposed to appear as a swirling aurora. Additionally, we were supposed to see Papillon, Crow, Nyanko, and Siren in silhouette.

Episode 175: If you're curious, Saki Itabashi (the VOTD) is apparently 24. Seiya, Yaten, and Taiki were originally supposed to wear regular school uniforms. Sailor Gekisha was originally called "Sailor Kamera" (a pun on "camera" and "kame," the Japanese word for turtle, explaining her appearance).

Episode 176: When Rei recognized Akane as Sister Angela, Akane was supposed to run away. The scene of Iron Mouse (as Nezu) in the hotel lounge, reading about Akane in a magazine, was originally set on a train, with Iron Mouse learning about Akane from a poster. The conversation between Seiya and Sister Angela in the chapel was first set in the school courtyard. In the show, we see Usagi spying on their conversation, but Rei was supposed to be there too. Fighter's intro line ("A wandering shooting star cutting through the darkness. Sailor Star Fighter, Stage On!") was originally, "A lonely shooting star wandering the galaxy... Sailor Star Fighter is here!"

Episode 177: The professor's secret name for his comet ("Francois") was originally "Akemi." He was supposed to confirm that he named it after his first love. Maker's speech was originally, "A shooting star wandering the galaxy... Sailor Star Maker is here!"

Episode 178: The scene at Hikawa Shrine was supposed to take place at Fruit Parlor Crown. There was supposed to be a scene where Yaten hugs Luna while standing on a bridge and says she reminds him of the woman they're looking for. Healer's speech was originally, "A sad shooting star flying through the night sky... Sailor Star Healer is here!"

Episode 179: Again, in the scene where Iron Mouse speaks with Galaxia, Crow, Siren, Nyanko, and Papillon were all supposed to appear in silhouette (and wearing hoods). Seeing them, Iron Mouse was to say, "Who are those guys...?" (suggesting she was not previously aware of them). Also, instead of "true star seeds," they were called "crystal star seeds" or "crystal seeds" (as in the picture books). Sailor Chef was supposed to be covered in cooking instruments like ladles and spatulas and pans.

Episode 180: When the girls are using the pay phones at the beginning, a long line was supposed to be forming behind them. Papillon, Nyanko, Crow, and Siren were again supposed to appear during the Galaxia and Iron Mouse scene. The "Sailor Anima Mates" were originally called the "Metal Mates." In their first meeting, Seiya was supposed to be extremely cold and rude to Haruka right off the bat. When they go to shake hands, it's a little hard to tell in the show, but the idea is that Haruka tried to punch Seiya, but Seiya blocked her fist.

Episode 181: Instead of a bear key chain, Seiya was supposed to win a brooch from a UFO catcher. Seiya's conversation with Usagi while they're riding a Ferris wheel initially took place while they walked along the beach at night.
 
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I always thought Nehellenia met the Quartet in Elysium since they were, sealed there? Or something? I probably should have paid more attention lol

Not fully releated but you reminded me of Sailor Astarte who is like, the most intriguing obscure Sailor Moon character to me for some reason lol

Huh, interesting Sailor Heavy Metal Papillon was supposed to appear, I wonder if they cut the "in shadow" scenes because they were reformatting the arc, I've always wondered how early/late they cut stuff like her (and Sailor Phi and Chi) and Sailor Cosmos

Also Haruka just trying to punch Seyia is amazing lol
 
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Episode 182: The scene where Setsuna meets Usagi and the others in the park was originally set in Fruit Parlor Crown. Like in the picture book, Usagi was to first meet Chibi Chibi when she rescued CC's parasol from the fountain. The scene where Siren and Crow report the progress of their conquest of the galaxy to Galaxia originally involved Papillon and Nyanko instead. Siren was originally eating kelp, not octopus.

Episode 183: Kengo was 24 in the flashbacks, 32 in the present-day scenes. Upon being defeated, Sailor Artist was supposed to cry, "Beautiful! It's a masterpiece!" The film the Three Lights are shooting was supposed to be a straight horror movie, not an action hero flick.

Episode 184: According to the scenario, Usagi's family is attending a cousin's wedding, and that's why she's home alone. (Guess Usagi hates that cousin or something :lol:) Also, Seiya was supposed to have brought the shortcake and Montblanc with him as a gift. The clothes Seiya wears after his shower are Papa Kenji's pajamas. Uranus was supposed to use "Space Sword Blaster" in this episode.

Episode 187: Aluminum Siren was supposed to be eating "baseball snacks" and find a home run card for a "Zorix" baseball team player. Sonoko Ijuuin was originally named Sonoko Saionji. Sailor Leaguer's attack was to be called "Tornado...Vacuum Hyper Cyclone Magic Ball!" Also, the idea was that after throwing too many magic balls, she'd transform into "Sailor Ace," with an announcement of a player change.

Episode 188: Originally, the night flight was supposed to be screening a concert film, not a preview of the Three Lights' new movie. It was then changed to a romance film, then the action film from episode 183.

Episode 190: When Seiya collapses, what Taiki is apparently saying to him is, "This is bad... If you're taken to the hospital, they'll find out you're not a human from this planet." Pluto was supposed to save Seiya and Usagi from Sailor Amuse's balloon attack with "Dead Scream."

Episode 191: At the beginning of the episode, Chibi Chibi was supposed to transform into Sailor Cosmos upon finding the incense burner.
 
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WOW these are really interesting! Thank you for posting all these again I LOVE seeing stuff like this! ^^ If Nyanko and Papillon were supposed to appear as a pair in that scene I wonder if they would have had some sort of dynamic together like Siren and Crow did? Also SAILOR COSMOS WOW! I honestly thought she was something added so late to the manga they didn't have time to incorporate her into the anime storyline or something. That also means they were at somepoint probably going to follow the manga plotline of who Chibi is which would mean her being Galaxia's star seed and the light of hope wasn't going to be the case which would completely change the ending of the anime (where Usagi says the light of hope and Chaos live in everyone, making them more a concept then Chaos being an outright sentient all controlling entity like in the manga), so they made a LOT of major changes to Stars, huh.

I wonder what drove them to that decision? Papillon still being on the cards pretty late means they wanted her in for a while, and removing Cosmos meant rewriting a lot of the story. I wonder if they just, didn't know how to make it all coherent? I still think the anime struggled (and for some failed) at giving everything the time it needed in the last 6 episodes so having even MORE to dedicate time too probably was just too much? Rambling and speculating but this is REALLY interesting to me ^^

I'm glad we got what we did ultimately though, the manga arc had SO much stuff and moved so fast it felt like nothing actually got any time to really matter to me, it may have been the result of reading the Miss Dream translations partially but I had no idea what was going on for 90% of it lol
 

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I can't really tell much, but I've heard that Sailor Heavy Metal Papillon even had some settei / character design sheets done at one point. (I edited this message because I don’t want my source to get trouble for this).
 
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I can't really tell much, but I've heard that Sailor Heavy Metal Papillon even had some settei / character design sheets done at one point. I heard that from someone who saw lot of internal Toei materials. Never saw these designs myself though, but the source is quite serious... ^^
Ooh that's really interesting to hear! It'd be really cool to see them someday ^^ In hindsight I guess it does make sense she had a fair bit of work done on a potential inclusion in the anime, I can't think of another character from any of the "peak minion" groups who didn't appear in the anime, even the Witches 5 all appeared despite 3 being reduced to one episode each. It'd be so cool to see how she was planned to be used/what ideas they had for her and stuff some day, ironically in the manga she's probably the most memorable of the animates for me, the whole showing them their own graves thing is really creepy lol
 
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Episode 193: The waitress uniforms Usagi and the girls wear were supposed to be in the style of the Taisho era. There was supposed to be a shot of Galaxia without her crown, with her long hair swaying freely. Instead of pancakes, Makoto was supposed to have baked a pound cake for Seiya. In the scene where Mako tries to punch Yaten, when Rei and the others rush over, Yaten was supposed to use hypnotic eye powers to freeze them in place. Originally, it was Mako who recovered the Silver Crystal and held the falling Usagi.

Episode 194: Kakyuu's story of the Sailor Wars was supposed to be presented in the style of an emakimono (picture scroll). During the scene with Kakyuu and Seiya, the flashback we see was supposed to show the Starlights playing a lyre on a hill on Kinmoku while Kakyuu sang a lullaby. When Nyanko gets half-healed, she was supposed to cry out, "Half beautiful!" The episode was supposed to end with Usagi crying, "Why did you throw that rose!" at Seiya.

Episode 196: The Ginga TV station building was supposed to be full of the bodies of people who'd had their star seeds stolen. When the Inners are watching Tokyo being destroyed and affirming their determination to protect the city they love, Usagi's line was supposed to be, "This is where I met Mamo, where we kissed for the first time..." When they transform and head over to Ginga TV, we were supposed to see the townspeople whose star seeds were being stolen turn into phages and attack them.

Episode 198: Usagi's dream at the beginning was originally meant to be a flashback to when Chibiusa returned to the future back in episode 173. Later, when they're on the roof of the station and Sailor Moon looks out at the city, everything was supposed to be completely in ruins. When Uranus and Neptune die, they were supposed to have dialog making it clear that Pluto and Saturn understood what they were doing, showing the unique bond the four had.

Episode 199: The flashback shots of (good) Galaxia that we see were supposed to show her holding a flower (her "star seed flower").

Episode 200: "Chaos Galaxia" was just called "Chaos" in the scenario. The fight between Chaos and Serenity was described as "reminiscent of the apocalypse of angels and demons fighting over the Earth." When Chibi Chibi turns into the Sword of Sealing, her line to Serenity was supposed to be, "Please! Defeat me... Galaxia!" When Chaos smashes the sword, it was supposed to turn back into a star seed flower (as happens in the picture book). Serenity's dress unraveling into ribbons was meant to symbolize the "unraveling of the stagnation of her mind." Originally, Sailor Moon and Chibi Chibi were both supposed to take Galaxia's hand, freeing her from the evil of Chaos. Galaxia was then supposed to revert to being a little girl, narrating as she watches all the star seeds return to their planets, but this was changed to a conversation between Galaxia and Usagi. During the school rooftop scene at the end, there was supposed to be a little moment between Taiki and Ami.



Well, that's all for now, but who knows what other fascinating tidbits are still waiting to be revealed?
 

Hadibou

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We actually have that:

It looks like her but it’s not her in my opinion. Very detailed but some parts are off, like Pluto’s weird head position/ neck, or Saturn’s weird hairs. Errors that Itoh wouldn’t do. That being said it’s true that Chibimoon Uranus and Jupiter are very close to her style, I wish this artist did all merch illustrations.
 
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We actually have that:

Oh, I know this image!
Whoever drew this did a great job, but it's not Itoh. Lemme compare it to her stuff.

By 1996 her style had become a lot softer and rounder than what it was in early 1995. Also, certain details like Usagi and Chibiusa's odango jewels (the white parts should be thicker), the ribbons, and the shading on the hair is a bit off (she usually only gave super detailed highlights to characters with dark hair like Rei, Setsuna, and Hotaru.)

Here's the SuperS 1996 calendar cover (released in 1995), which seems to be the source of this this illustration's look. Actually, the more I look at it, Ami Rei Usagi and possibly Chibiusa might have been traced and modified from it.
Contrast with the last few Laserdisc covers for SuperS, which were released in 1996 or later. The faces become smoother, the eyelashes are rounder and thicker, the hair looks even more fluffy than usual, the ribbons and brooches are smaller, the torsos are longer, the skirts don't stick out to the sides as much, etc. Episode 166 looks pretty similar to these.
All in all your image still gives a decent idea of what ESM could have looked like in Itoh's style. But we'll never know for certain because someone on the 90's anime crew decided not to have her appear in episode 166. :supercry:

(Yes, I go around saving all her illustrations from SM whenever I find them. Yes, I have a problem :P)
 
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Plus, Itoh had the habit of making the girls' ears bigger or at least more prominent than most anime artists. It's a little thing that always grated me about that style.
I just checked to see if her ears changed out of boredom. They used to be huge in season 1 and R, but afterwards they got smaller and more detailed. In the later SuperS episodes she stopped giving them a ton of detail but kept the same shape and size.

Saved for archival purposes!
 

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Why is Itoh so perfect.. Tandano is perfectly fine and competent and I respect her a lot for making the original design but Itoh just has it

I even watched the Magical Users Club OVA cuz her style at that time was *chef kiss*
 

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Nice to see someone else who knows what Magic User's Club is since most look at Princess Tutu for their other work and ignore this one.
 
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Why is Itoh so perfect.. Tandano is perfectly fine and competent and I respect her a lot for making the original design but Itoh just has it
Tadano is great, but Itoh will always be peak 90's SM for me. Her facial expressions and layouts always make everything feel alive and dynamic even when there's not much moving in an episode.


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Nice to see someone else who knows what Magic User's Club is since most look at Princess Tutu for their other work and ignore this one.
SuperS, Magic User's Club, and Princess Tutu are all peak Itoh aesthetic. Not just because of her character designs, but the way they all feature a somewhat weird, abstract, elaborate and freaky fairytale look (SMR's second opening which she also storyboarded, the Dead Moon Circus, that bird design from Magic User's Club the girls have on their wands, Drosselmeyer and several other characters in Princess Tutu, etc.) Anyone else get what I'm talking about?

Fushigi Maho Fun Fun Pharmacy seems to also have that look, even with it's more cartoon-y designs. (I think she has a thing for redheaded heroines. :P)

 
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