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Really? I've never heard that before. Was that a common thing in shojo anime at the time?
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A lot of humor in the old dub was funny both intentionally and unintentionally.
Meanwhile the viz dub’s one joke is “lol Mamoru has purple pants”
I liked both. The DiC music had this cool 90s action cartoon vibe were most of the music was synth variations of the theme song and the Toei music had this awesome Charlie’s Angels 70s action vibe
The DiC transformation music for Serena was unquestionably superior to the generic transformation music in the first Japanese series though.
Meanwhile the viz dub’s one joke is “lol Mamoru has purple pants”
I liked both. The DiC music had this cool 90s action cartoon vibe were most of the music was synth variations of the theme song and the Toei music had this awesome Charlie’s Angels 70s action vibe
The DiC transformation music for Serena was unquestionably superior to the generic transformation music in the first Japanese series though.
What Was the Inspiration Behind Zoisite and Kunzite’s Relationship?
I don't know if it was necessarily "common," but it was a thing at the time and has continued to be a thing to this day.
I don't know if it was necessarily "common," but it was a thing at the time and has continued to be a thing to this day.
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Intriguing. Thanks for the read. I'd always been curious about that change but never considered it might be to appeal to a specific type of viewer subset.
It's kind of funny, because when I was first introduced to SM's DiC dub, I liked that Zoicite was totally flat-chested or that it wasn't emphasized by clothing. I definitely didn't realize what was going on until the internet told me, haha...
It's kind of funny, because when I was first introduced to SM's DiC dub, I liked that Zoicite was totally flat-chested or that it wasn't emphasized by clothing. I definitely didn't realize what was going on until the internet told me, haha...
I love the DiC dub, there's so many great performances and memorable lines (even if they're sometimes past the point of """good taste"""), and even as flawed as it is, there is a sense that team behind it were selling IT and making the most of what they could and couldn't do.
The Viz dub is just so wooden and bland, in comparison. Yes it's nice that it's faithful, but it makes the same mistake Crystal made it in its pursuit of absolute PURE faithfulness. Instead of throwing everything away that their predessecors did, they could have looked and saw what worked and tried to incorporate it. From the voice work (a lot of the voice actors should have came back) to trying to make the humor translate better for Western audiences, there was definitely things that I feel DiC did right that sets it apart from how boring watching the Viz dub feels like.
The Viz dub is just so wooden and bland, in comparison. Yes it's nice that it's faithful, but it makes the same mistake Crystal made it in its pursuit of absolute PURE faithfulness. Instead of throwing everything away that their predessecors did, they could have looked and saw what worked and tried to incorporate it. From the voice work (a lot of the voice actors should have came back) to trying to make the humor translate better for Western audiences, there was definitely things that I feel DiC did right that sets it apart from how boring watching the Viz dub feels like.
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Yes it is.
Entire episodes being cut down and a lot of good materials were removed to "not make kids bad", which is very silly and those were not what the audience could not adapt. The anime didn't force the manga to change or cut its own content.
Nearly no changes were "good", only dumbed things down.
Yeah then why didn't Toei tone down the anime? I'm totally ok if DIC make a book based on it, but why hurt the original material in the anime so much to NOT let ppl see?
Offering a different adaptation give ppl choices to pick, that's entirely different.
They aren't and they didn't get enough screentime especially Zoisite. That change was made to build their characters and indeed gave them more life than their manga character.
Entire episodes being cut down and a lot of good materials were removed to "not make kids bad", which is very silly and those were not what the audience could not adapt. The anime didn't force the manga to change or cut its own content.
Nearly no changes were "good", only dumbed things down.
Yeah then why didn't Toei tone down the anime? I'm totally ok if DIC make a book based on it, but why hurt the original material in the anime so much to NOT let ppl see?
Offering a different adaptation give ppl choices to pick, that's entirely different.
They aren't and they didn't get enough screentime especially Zoisite. That change was made to build their characters and indeed gave them more life than their manga character.
I don't wanna be mean, but the Viz Luna, while I a big step up in fidelity compared to the old voice, still sounds like a stock voice for a software or something... Very soulless and monotonous. I am against the granny voice, and I find it laughable knowing the whole human form thing, but she sounded like a mentor and had personality. The new Viz voice is like these women that make announcement at supermarkets or aeroports. I am sure the voice actress is great, but in many cases the direction is to blame. Even Linda Ballentain that for me is a terrible Usagi, sounds nothing like this and she said herself she was asked to try to make a Terry Hawks immitation. She still sounded great as NQS/ Princess Serenity.
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And the dubbed anime didn’t force the Japanese anime to make changes so that argument right there makes no sense.
Here’s a dirty little secret for you both Japanese and the old dub of Sailor Moon have a target audience of elementary school girls. What’s considered acceptable in Japan to show young kids isn’t considered the same as it is in North America. Sailor Moon was edited down to be acceptable for the same target audience in North America as it was intended in Japan.
Now of course it’s ridiculous that western culture thinks the mere existence of gay people on television will corrupt children or that a show meant for young girls has to be censored to be deemed appropriate for the same target audience in western counties but that’s really not the fault of DiC or Cloverway or any of the various networks who agreed to broadcast the show as long as it met these arbitrary standards.
And standards of what’s considered acceptable change ALL THE TIME. Even in Japan we’ve seen this with Dragon Ball when they reedited Z as Kai they censored shots of children genitals, characters flipping the bird, and some of the gorier scenes. And then with Super it’s completely bloodless which is a little jarring to the blood bath the original Dragon Ball and Z could get at times.
Zoicite got the second most episodes of the Shitenou after Kunzite and Kunzite kind of had to take a backseat to Endymion .
Jadeite: 13 episodes (1-13)
Nephrite: 10 episodes (14-19, 21-24)
Zoicite: 18 episodes (14, 18,19, 21-35)
Kunzite: 19 episodes (22-25, 27, 29, 32-44)
Also Memento supplied evidence that Kunzite and Zoicite were made gay either in reference to some older Shojo anime from the 70s or to appeal to fanartist who had already been drawing them as a gay couple before Toei got to them
Here’s a dirty little secret for you both Japanese and the old dub of Sailor Moon have a target audience of elementary school girls. What’s considered acceptable in Japan to show young kids isn’t considered the same as it is in North America. Sailor Moon was edited down to be acceptable for the same target audience in North America as it was intended in Japan.
Now of course it’s ridiculous that western culture thinks the mere existence of gay people on television will corrupt children or that a show meant for young girls has to be censored to be deemed appropriate for the same target audience in western counties but that’s really not the fault of DiC or Cloverway or any of the various networks who agreed to broadcast the show as long as it met these arbitrary standards.
And standards of what’s considered acceptable change ALL THE TIME. Even in Japan we’ve seen this with Dragon Ball when they reedited Z as Kai they censored shots of children genitals, characters flipping the bird, and some of the gorier scenes. And then with Super it’s completely bloodless which is a little jarring to the blood bath the original Dragon Ball and Z could get at times.
Zoicite got the second most episodes of the Shitenou after Kunzite and Kunzite kind of had to take a backseat to Endymion .
Jadeite: 13 episodes (1-13)
Nephrite: 10 episodes (14-19, 21-24)
Zoicite: 18 episodes (14, 18,19, 21-35)
Kunzite: 19 episodes (22-25, 27, 29, 32-44)
Also Memento supplied evidence that Kunzite and Zoicite were made gay either in reference to some older Shojo anime from the 70s or to appeal to fanartist who had already been drawing them as a gay couple before Toei got to them
Yeah, Luna in the old dub sounds very different from how the character sounds in Japan, but you can understand what they were going for. I also suspect that was not their initial plan for the character; Tracey Moore originally auditioned for Luna, which suggests they planned for her to sound as young as she does in the Japanese version. My guess is when they instead decided to cast Tracey as Serena, they decided to age Luna/go in a different direction with the character in order to make her more distinct from Serena. The Viz dub, on the other hand, seems perfectly content to let everyone sound exactly the same.
I agree with you. I mean on the Crystal dub they all sound very different and right, but in the 90s dub I can actually mistake most of them, except robotic Luna and too deep Makoto.It is obvious they were cast with Crystal in mind.
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It is the only way ppl could see the anime in North America at that time, nice try.
So are you saying that American kids are dumber and softer than Japanese?
I never said it was, I'm criticizing the version, not the company.
Yeah it was modified today, but Sailor Moon was mostly not which means its standards was not over the top, nice try.
I was talking about manga, other than Kunizite the other 3 were bland, the anime filled much more life into them and it fits them. The manga material book also pointed that Zoisite acts like a girl and Kunizte took care of him a lot. They mostly expanded his personality based on it.
So are you saying that American kids are dumber and softer than Japanese?
I never said it was, I'm criticizing the version, not the company.
Yeah it was modified today, but Sailor Moon was mostly not which means its standards was not over the top, nice try.
I was talking about manga, other than Kunizite the other 3 were bland, the anime filled much more life into them and it fits them. The manga material book also pointed that Zoisite acts like a girl and Kunizte took care of him a lot. They mostly expanded his personality based on it.