Do the Movies Share a Canon?

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MementoNepenthe

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While it may be *possible* to force the '90s films into the anime's timeline, it's generally accepted that the films are not part of the canon proper. My question therefore is this: Do the movies constitute a shared film canon of their own (a "cinematic universe," if you will) or are they three completely separate, standalone stories that share nothing more than their protagonists? Supposing the three films take place in a parallel canon, it would be interesting to try and fill in the blanks and speculate on what happened between the R movie and the S movie, the S movie and the SuperS movie, and what came before the R film and what happened after the Supers film.
 
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In my mind as far as the R movie goes the events of the first series more or less play out the same except the girls and Mamoru don’t lose their memories upon being brought to life, Ail and En never show up. Mamoru doesn’t ever break up with Usagi and the movie takes place after the Black Moon conflict (its ambiguous if Chibi usa knows Usagi is her mom or not at this point in the movie) with Chibi Usa staying a while longer so essentially the alt continuity sticks closer to the manga except the Four Sisters turn good ala the anime and Chibi Usa doesn’t become Chibi Moon.

After that S takes place except in this alternate continuity the Outers are much nicer to the main squad and Sailor Moon doesn’t lose the Holy Grail after the story is over and the movie takes place after the main conflict. Also Pluto doesn’t die instead Saturn destroys the earth to stop Pharoh 90 and Pluto rewinds time to restore the earth and turn Hotaru into a baby

Then in SuperS Pegasus role is simply limited to giving the girls their power ups and instead of Chibi Moon calling upon Pegasus to give Sailor Moon her finishing attack he simply gives both girls their Moon Kaleidoscopes and the Double Moon Gorgeous Meditation is the finishing move of the season. No Pegasus and Chibi Usa romance. And then the movie happens after.
 

julayla

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To me, S takes place after Sailor Moon finds the grail and this feels like it's way before Hotaru made an appearance to Chibiusa while SuperS is set after the Outers reappear with Usagi having awakened her Eternal form and the reason Nehellina doesn't attack during the SuperS movie is because she knows that she knows not to meddle in other villains' affairs and waits 'til they're dead to continue with her plan. As for the reasons for certain situations. Here's my own theory on the following: 1. Moon & Chibi Moon summoning their kaleidoscopes at will was something of a small parting gift from Pegasus before he left to have them both summon it at will since he no longer is needed. 2. The three Outers (Despite the somewhat error of their uniforms animation wise) being there was because they followed and snuck in the ship that included Hotaru and was one of the kids imprisoned and thus couldn't be of assistance anyway as she was stuck in there like the other kids, and 3. Without Saturn, she can't turn into Eternal form and had to rely on what powers she needed to awaken Chibi Moon from the others. The R movie, it's probably before the Chibiusa's school gets endangered and she finally decides to time travel. But those are my thoughts.
 

MariaTenebre

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Well I don't know if it is generally accepted that the movies are not a part of the canon proper. They atleast the first 2 movies can fit well into the series proper and it's canon. SuperS is more of an issue because of Sailor Pluto but I suppose with some fanfic witchery that could be explained away I guess. I think the movies make more sense to be considered a part of the main 90s anime canon as opposed to some separate canon again with the exception of SuperS. Which is funny as many people question the movies canonicity but tend to accept say the SuperS specials as a part of the main canon with no issue.
 
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sailormoongalaxy

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I would say no.

- Sailor Moon R, Usagi and the others discover the botanical park. In season 3, this is the first time they are going.
- Sailor Moon SuperS, Pluto is here, and in Sailor Stars, she returns. Uranus & Neptune thought her dead.

Only one story is canon: Ami's first love.
Why ? Minako makes a remark about Yaten, just like Ami, he doesn't like love letters.
Knowing that in the 200 episodes, Ami never complained about this, only in the Gaiden.
 
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Only one story is canon: Ami's first love.
Why ? Minako makes a remark about Yaten, just like Ami, he doesn't like love letters.
You mean the special where Mercury uses an attack she never used before and will never use again? The special that’s premise is contingent on everyone forgetting Ryo existed?
 

sailormoongalaxy

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You mean the special where Mercury uses an attack she never used before and will never use again? The special that’s premise is contingent on everyone forgetting Ryo existed?
This is the only one where elements of it are found in the series. Love letters, Ami's rejection, is found explained by Minako in episode 178.
Unless, in season 1, she also receives it? By Ryo? It's been a while since I saw this season.
 
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MariaTenebre

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I would say no.

- Sailor Moon R, Usagi and the others discover the botanical park. In season 3, this is the first time they are going.
- Sailor Moon SuperS, Pluto is here, and in Sailor Stars, she returns. Uranus & Neptune thought her dead.

Only one story is canon: Ami's first love.
Why ? Minako makes a remark about Yaten, just like Ami, he doesn't like love letters.
Knowing that in the 200 episodes, Ami never complained about this, only in the Gaiden.
How do we know that this is the same botanical park? Likewise I saw the episode and I don't remember all Usagi, Mamoru etc saying it was their first time there. Likewise if we want to get pedantic again. By that same token Codename Sailor V isn't canon to the manga Sailor Moon canon as Usagi is clearly aware of Sailor V as a person and yet she isn't in the first act of the manga. Hell by that token I could say that Sailor Stars in the Nehelenia arc isn't canon to the other seasons as during Hotaru's flashback to the day at the botanical park she saw there Ami and Makoto with her where as on said episode only Usagi, Mamoru and Chibiusa were with her.

Again these attempts to decanonize the movies make no sense.

Likewise on the Ami's First Love special I always felt that the title was a bit of a ironic misnomer. For one with Mercurius she didn't seem like she loved him. Quite the contrary he seemed more like a rival she wished to crush.
 
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Onuzim Ima

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Likewise on the Ami's First Love special I always felt that the title was a bit of an ironic misnomer. For one with Mercurius she didn't seem like she loved him. Quite the contrary he seemed more like a rival she wished to crush.
@MariaTenebre Yes, I think that was actually the point/joke. While the other 5 misinterpreted her behaviour as being 'in Love', :ami: herself thought of BonSon (or whatever her name was supposed to be written like) to be her academic rival. Both parties were wrong (If you want to nitpick).;)
 

Seira Hazuki

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I was looking at Queen Badiane and couldn't help but to think how it would be interesting if she used to be a Sailor Senshi but got corrupted by Chaos or something similar to Galaxia.
I really love the designs for the SuperS movie's villains, it's a shame there's not a lot of background to them. It would have been great to have a manga short story by Naoko Takeuchi accompanying the movie similar to S.

Also, I've seen it mentioned that Queen Badiane is described as a witch from another world. Since she's literally a gargatuan woman, it would have been neat if she was tied into the idea of the "Amazon Universe" mentioned in the original scenarios for SuperS and from that world.