Do you think if Ikuhara continued with Stars.................

[Neo King Rose]

would have been better than what we actually got

 

[Yamoon]

I disagree, I feel Stars had far more of a continuity problem than SuperS did. SuperS at least still had the supporting civilian cast in it (and even brought back Reika, who was a callback all the way from Classic!) meanwhile Stars nixed all of them, and even in the much lauded Nehellenia arc had Chibi-Usa & Hotaru act like they were little more than aquaintences despite them being best friends & Chibi-Usa being so broken up about her disappearance at the end of S.

Well in SuperS they even forget that the girls were supposed to be in school and graduate to be in high school... . So... speaking about continuity.
Characterization is also for me reduce to 0, all characters seems to be in a "Simpson Timeline Loop" for most of the season.
I still find somehow the "filler" in Stars 100 more entertaining than in SuperS. in SuperS tehy seems all copy/paste from each other and for me 80% of the season is too trash. But that just my taste of course. I just don't like the fillers in SuperS, they're copy past from the S Season but less original and far far away of the filler vision in classic and R.

 

[kasumigenx]

I think if Ikuhara had stayed, Stars would at the very least have a more cohesive theme and still feel like Sailor Moon, rather than the phoned-in, hodgepodge mess of ideas it grabbed from the previous seasons but with little understanding on what actually made those ideas work. (See Usagi & Seiya's dynamic ripping off Classic's UsaMamo's, the Starlights antagonism mirroring the Outers but with a flimsy justification attached, etc) Say what you will about Ikuhara and his... eccentricism, but he at least always had a coherent vision and theme attached to each season he worked on. S was about the morality of sacrifices, SuperS about dreams and how that ties into growing up and what it means to be human, Stars is about.... pacifism? I guess? But that doesn't really come into play until the very last episode? Okay...


I disagree, I feel Stars had far more of a continuity problem than SuperS did. SuperS at least still had the supporting civilian cast in it (and even brought back Reika, who was a callback all the way from Classic!) meanwhile Stars nixed all of them, and even in the much lauded Nehellenia arc had Chibi-Usa & Hotaru act like they were little more than aquaintences despite them being best friends & Chibi-Usa being so broken up about her disappearance at the end of S.

Super S adapted the 1st half of the Dream Arc Act 39 to 43
Sailor Stars adapted the 2nd half of the Dream Arc up to Act 55 in the Stars Arc
I think the main issue of Sailor Stars was Naoko got complacent about the Anime staff after contributing to the Super S movie until it was too late, aside from Ikuhara leaving.

 

[kasumigenx]

would have been better than what we actually got

True.

I think Ikuhara might put in subtext between Galaxia and Usagi and I think Horie might not be cast as Galaxia, I think some new talent might get her role.

 

[inthezone]

Yes

Was Sailor Moon One of the Most Popular Anime of the 1990s?

S has the highest average viewer rating. But it was also because the high popularity that the first 2 seasons brought up. SuperS was the same with Classic but obviously their popularity was not on par. Overall, Classic and R's tone still attract the most groups of viewers.

Also Toy Sales>>>Rating to the production company.

S was bigger than R for sure

 

[Tsundereshipper]

Well in SuperS they even forget that the girls were supposed to be in school and graduate to be in high school... . So... speaking about continuity.

Actually there's a theory JetWolf once made that the reason why the girls aren't in hs yet in SuperS is because the entire season was just a dream and they were stuck in a dream world since the moment the eclipse happened. This would explain

I don't think Stars is that bad, it suffered from the bad impression of SuperS, the villains were fine

The villains were NOT fine in Stars imo, in fact it was one of the weakest aspects of the season. Total downgrade from all the previous ones, SuperS at least had vastly better and more entertaining villains and some of the best in the series (Fish-Eye)

The only decent villains in Stars were Crow & Siren, the rest were either utterly forgettable (Iron Mouse & Tin Nyanko) or a joke of a character when compared to their manga counterpart (Galaxia)

Stars anime also axed the Twin Senshi Lethe & Mnemosyne who were also genuinely some of the better developed villains the manga had.

 

[Slowpokeking]

The villains were NOT fine in Stars imo, in fact it was one of the weakest aspects of the season. Total downgrade from all the previous ones, SuperS at least had vastly better and more entertaining villains and some of the best in the series (Fish-Eye)

The only decent villains in Stars were Crow & Siren, the rest were either utterly forgettable (Iron Mouse & Tin Nyanko) or a joke of a character when compared to their manga counterpart (Galaxia)

Stars anime also axed the Twin Senshi Lethe & Mnemosyne who were also genuinely some of the better developed villains the manga had.

Iron Mouse was ok, Galaxia was much more menacing than Nehellenia in SuperS. Even Nehellenia herself only showed threat in the beginning of Stars.

 

[Tsundereshipper]

Iron Mouse was ok, Galaxia was much more menacing than Nehellenia in SuperS. Even Nehellenia herself only showed threat in the beginning of Stars.

Galaxia's actual behaviour while she was possessed by Chaos was cool and menacing it's just her entire character itself was a wash, since that wasn't even the "real" Galaxia acting, but just Chaos using her body.

 

[Slowpokeking]

Galaxia's actual behaviour while she was possessed by Chaos was cool and menacing it's just her entire character itself was a wash, since that wasn't even the "real" Galaxia acting, but just Chaos using her body.

True, that really pissed me off.

But to be fair, Nehellenia's backstory in SuperS was also silly.

 

[Tsundereshipper]

True, that really pissed me off.

But to be fair, Nehellenia's backstory in SuperS was also silly.

Yeah, she was less developed as a character in the manga, but her backstory there was far more interesting & intriguing than the one in the anime.

 

[Slowpokeking]

Yeah, she was less developed as a character in the manga, but her backstory there was far more interesting & intriguing than the one in the anime.

Expand Nehellnia's anime character

My concept to expand her based on SuperS story.

 

[kasumigenx]

When Galaxia removes these bracelets, her true power
appears. She becomes Sailor Chaos.

Sailor Moon - Materials Collection
This is the original plan of Takeuchi for Galaxia.

 

[Slowpokeking]

SuperS' villain characterization was fine, but the intensity and overall main storyline pace as a huge problem.

 

[Yamoon]

Actually there's a theory JetWolf once made that the reason why the girls aren't in hs yet in SuperS is because the entire season was just a dream and they were stuck in a dream world since the moment the eclipse happened. This would explain

Yeah I know this theory and like it too. But somehow I still just think the producer just “forget” it.

I read recently here that they tried with SuperS to get away from all kind of continuity as much as possible to attract young viewers and new ones. Transform each episodes into king of Pokémon/Doremi format. Which kind of make senses around 1995. But still very sad when you see the results. SuperS had destroyed the ratings and brought the series to its ends...

 

[kasumigenx]

Yeah I know this theory and like it too. But somehow I still just think the producer just “forget” it.

I read recently here that they tried with SuperS to get away from all kind of continuity as much as possible to attract young viewers and new ones. Transform each episodes into king of Pokémon/Doremi format. Which kind of make senses around 1995. But still very sad when you see the results. SuperS had destroyed the ratings and brought the series to its ends...

The real adaptation of the majority of Dream Arc and Stars Arc is Sailor Stars not Super S, Super S is a filler arc with parts of the Dream Arc being adapted into it.

 

[kasumigenx]

If Naoko did not get involved in the production of the Super S movie, both the Stars Anime and the manga would have their original planned ending in Materials Collection and it is likely that PQAngels might have continued.

 

[kasumigenx]

If the original idea for the Sailor Stars anime was executed and 166 has Sailor Moon upgraded to Eternal form and the ending of the manga and the 90s anime will be the original idea from the Materials collection, we will see Sailor Moon as Eternal Sailor Moon on the anime adaptation of the Dream and Stars Arc and the other Senshi will be upgraded to the Eternal prior to the Starlights arc.

I think the original planned ending of Stars was Usagi(Cosmos) and Galaxia(Chaos) melting in the cauldron which is similar to the ending of S with Saturn and Pharoah 90 and also I think Chibi Chibi/Cosmos would play a similar part as Princess Sailor Moon in PGSM.

 

[kasumigenx]

Ikuhara also scrapped his original plan for Sailor Moon to upgrade to Eternal in Episode 166, I think that might have not happened if he was part of Sailor Stars.

 

[MikeMasters05]

Well, I think redemption of the villains is not Ikuhara’s fault it was an idea the producers wanted to execute (and executed way with youmas) from the very first season.

Context: Producers held a contest for attacks and they asked something in the line “healing rather than killing” the winner got their idea drawn by Tadano (Is the picture of Usagi using the tiara as a bow and arrow.)

And after Ikuhara left they continued the redemption of the villains with all animamates being “good Sailor Senshi”. I think its because producers thought a girls should not kill and only heal with the power of love.

In this sense I prefer Takeuchi’s approach of killing the villains and I’m happy Crystal kept this.

 

[kasumigenx]

Actually, they could have adapted the Manga acts 38, 44-49 in Neherenia Arc faithfully as possible instead of coming up with new stuff after Ikuhara left, although I would have loved to see the Neherenia Arc with Sailor Moon in Eternal form throughout as they planned before.