Do you think its problematic to find the characters attractive?

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MariaTenebre

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No there is nothing wrong with finding them attractive, lusting after them or drawing porn of them. They are teenagers yes but they are sexy and sexualized creatures as well teenagers are we all know that some of them IE Usagi and Mamoru and Haruka and Michiru are very obviously having sex. They are drawn in a sexy way and Naoko if she had her way would have made them more sexualized. Once more it is anime and fictional so get over it. I have and still do lust after fictional teen characters like on Sailor Moon, Power Rangers and Saved by the Bell to name a few. I am so sick of the moral puritans whining and crying about teen characters being sexualized and having sex as they always do and still do so. These same SJW mortal purtians love to whine about sexy big breasted anime women and yet coincidentally say nothing about and defend a certain religion out there that allows adult men to marry prepubescent 9 year old girls. I think you all know the one I am talking about. Honestly some people need to get over themselves. Why don't you keyboard warriors and strong social justice warriors put work into stopping pedophilia, child marriage, child abuse and FGM in certain religions and communities instead of letting them get away with it due to "cultural sensitivities" instead of whining about teenagers on films having sex and being sexualized. Something they do en masse in real life.

Also as for modern Western media and games unfortunately they and the rest of entertainment has been deeply infected with sex negative feminism. Both woke SJWs and radical feminists think like patriarchal ideologies and religions that women can not be respected if they are sexualized and that men can not lust and sexualize women without objectifying them. Many of these woke and radical feminists call feminine women who like being sexualized class and gender traitors and even allied with patriarchal religious conservatives to ban things like sex work, porn and media they find obscene and objectifying to women. That is also why the hate the male gaze aka male heterosexual desire and lust for women. In many ways they despise male heterosexual desire every bit as much as certain patriarchal religions and ideologies hate homosexual desire and lust. I also love how Japan still does not bend the knee to these femmephobic and sex negative feminists. In fact they call them by the pejorative male gaze monsters. Unfortunately there is no mainstream sex positive feminist group both the woke SJW feminists and radical feminists declared the sex positive pro porn, pro sex, pro prostitution and pro free speech feminists both female and male heretics and apostates. However notice how they refer to male heterosexual desire for women as they male gaze and absolutely despise it. In many ways they think that if a male lusts after a woman in his heart he degrades her and disempowers her aka objectifies her. They equally the male gaze with male heterosexual desire. However gay men are very much men and sexualize and lust after men. However it is very clear that with regards to woke SJW and sex negative feminists that they do not consider gay men to be men atleast not as much as heterosexual men who they despise which to me is homophobia as gay men are very much men and their desire and sexualization of men is no less a male gaze then heterosexual male lust and sexualization of women. Then again I have known for a while that modern SJWs have been turning against gay men because regardless of them being gay they are still men and thus are "problematic"
 
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MariaTenebre

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Is it weird and creepy to find middle school aged characters sexy and treat them as your “waifus” when y’all are in your 20s-40s? Yes

But at least they’re fictional drawings and not real life girls.
Well what if you like them as they look on the show but just say they are older. After all they don't stay middle schoolers the entire time and it isn't like middle schoolers aren't promiscuous and of course they are fictional. Again I still thnk it is funy that people are more worried about sexualized animed characters then real cases, ideologies and religions that allow and support pedophilia.
 
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Well what if you like them as they look on the show but just say they are older. After all they don't stay middle schoolers the entire time and it isn't like middle schoolers aren't promiscuous and of course they are fictional.
Middle schoolers have sex so it’s okay for grown adults to have sex with them!


And yes, they’re fictional. That’s why I just think it’s creepy and not “ahem you should be in jail bud”



Again I still thnk it is funy that people are more worried about sexualized animed characters then real cases, ideologies and religions that allow and support pedophilia.
Yeah like your ideology is a good example.


Also, has your straw man found his brain yet or is he still on the yellow brick road?
 

MariaTenebre

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Middle schoolers have sex so it’s okay for grown adults to have sex with them!


And yes, they’re fictional. That’s why I just think it’s creepy and not “ahem you should be in jail bud”





Yeah like your ideology is a good example.
No I don't support pedophilia. Having sex with children IE prepubescent individuals shouldn't be tolerated. None the less teenagers are sexual creatures who also are promiscuous I mean when I was in Middle School I was about the only one who wasn't sleeping around and some of their stories shocked me. Also it isn't "creepy" Naoko Takeuchi designed them to be sexualized and had she had her way they would be even more so. I don't support pedophilia at all and no what it is and finding sexualized anime teens attractive isn't pedophilia. If you all cared about pedophilia you would fight against certain ideologies and religions like you know that allow adult men to marry 9 year old kids. Of course I can't think of how many times that the male gaze monsters or people who whine and cry about sexualized anime characters or characters in fiction are usually explored to be child molesters themselves. Like that one SJW who ran gaming conventions and banned games that sexualized women only to find out he liked child porn of little boys. I mean at this point anytime a man says he is a male feminist I always look around for sirens to be not to far behind. My brother made a hilarious joke yesterday. I have told men and women alike not to date male or female feminist. A female feminist is likely to accuse you of rape if you are a male or beat the breaks off of you if you are female where as a male feminist is likely to rape you. I just find it so funny that these same men who like to whine and moan about sexualized anime characters especially female ones are also the ones more like to to invite you to their house not so they can rock around the clock with you but so they can reset the clock with you.

After all you all like to whine about fictional series with sexualized anime females but don't wish to ban certain religions and their holy books which do allow and support pedophilia and in countries ran by this religion child marriage and child sex slavery is rampant. Coinidentally countries ran by this religion typically ban sexualized images of women or sexualized images at all. I mean as an extremely filithy minded trans woman who like sexy yaoi of men I am less likely to rape anyone nor would I then in comparison to feminist men or a certain religious group at the top of the intersectional sacred pyramid.
 

LightOfRay

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  1. In the 90's they do seem older, especially when they transform, but that doesn't mean they are older. Making them seem older is part of the male gaze which permeated the old anime.
  2. I don't like the idea of aging them up for a fan idea so they can have "good times" for two reasons. First it's disingenuous, because it just provides an excuse to create what you want to create for their underage selves. If you're going to go that route, then commit to it with all the baggage it carries. Given that Sailor Moon is a kids show, that's a lot of baggage. Second, the age of the characters is important to their character. If as a fan you're going to produce something that requires aging up the characters, why not create new characters based on the old ones instead? If you're going to twist and break canon that much, you might as well make an original work. Why draw fan porn when you can draw original porn? That doesn't mean I disapprove if you tell a story in which aged-up characters engage in adult activity as necessary part of a narrative, but creating fan works that age them up for that sole purpose implies a creator knows what they're doing is wrong and raises the age as a hasty cover.
  3. I mean if you are attracted to the mindset, personality, and even attracted from a pure aesthetic (for instance, I like ChibiMoon in part because her signature color is pink and I like the color pink) that is one thing. I mean surely you know someone you immensely get along with but would never think of dating. But given that this place once had a healthy hentai section, there are plenty of people who want to do more than admire the girls. It's one thing if you're around that age or younger, and of course, vestiges of old crushes are always going to be part of a psyche; I'm not going to judge you if the stray thought a girl produces an involuntary reaction. But it's another thing if you're significantly older than the characters like I am and expressing (not just having, but giving voice to) fantasies of exchanging bodily fluids with them or intimate contact. Even if you mentally age them or de-age yourself, the fact remains that you're attracted to a 14-16 year old girl and you're an adult. Putting her in an "adult" body doesn't change this. That doesn't mean you need to be institutionalized, but it is a sign of having unresolved issues. Again, you're not talking about a 22-25 year old who is in peak vitality and is a legal adult but still has an immature mindset. You're not even talking about someone 18-21 who is a legal adult but treated as provisional adult in which there'd be a massive power imbalance. You're talking about a child who just got out of puberty. That ain't right.
Valid points thought I would lump 18-22 treated as provisional adult as well
 
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I find them beautiful but would never look at them in a sexual manner. They are already depicted as older looking despite being really young. For guys around their age crushing on them is not a problem. Older men (or anyone really) "obsessing" over them is a problem imo.

The anime already made this weird (by American and a few other places standards) by uping Mamoru's age and making him a college student hanging around some 14 year old girl middle school girl romantically.

While, I dont understand the whole thing, these are fictional characters here and finding them attractive is not a problem. They are pretty girls. You can find them attractive just so long as people don't try to emulate the behavior in the real world and try to pull a Mamoru.

I don't know how strict other countries are about age differences or anything.
 
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Again as I said before these characters are 14 to 16 and some of them are in relationships with older people. They are pubescent, sexual creatures and have sex in the series etc. You can say that a over 18 person shouldn't be with them in IRL as much as you like but they are still fictional and so sexualizing them or being attracted to them isn't a problem. Hell many shows with teenagers in the West sexualize them and honestly plenty of modern woke garbage shows sexualize the characters while simultaneously making them more ugly and in many cases they are more underage then the Sailor Moon cast.

Again it has gotten to the point that Western game companies like Sony will censor games that feature sexualized and idealized women even of legal age as "oh sexualization male gaze theory!" and all of that Madonna/Whore nonsense that should have been thrown out of discourse when the sex negative feminists brought that up in the second wave of feminism and before that when the more religious Christian Feminists did that in the first wave and brought about things like The Hayes Code and prohibition. Now if a female character has to big of breasts even if clothed many woke companies will censor it while allowing sexual things that are just ugly like that Abby and Neil Druckman sex scene.

I just want to say how it is pathetic that my generation aka many 90s anime kids fought hard against censroship and for freedom of speech and now the wokies that follow us are fighting for the same puritanical censorship that we tried to get out of anime, manga, games and comics coming here. We were the Camille Paglias and they the Andrea Dworkins.

Oh and you know another thing I find funny about people who whinge and bellyhoo about people sexualizing or finding fictional teenagers attractive is that these same people have no problem with say fictional teenagers or even children in super hero settings fighting against villains or monsters that will kill them if given the opportunity. These same people will catch the vapors if say Kamala Khan is drawn in a pin up pose but say nothing if say nothing if she is basically being a child soldier. I mean what is the solution make it where Superheros in media can only be 18 or over and ban either child super heros or teen super heros since SJWs love to censor things as the right does? However trying to ask wokeies to be consistent is a battle you will simply never win.
 
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