Do you think the character designs are even done?

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Yeah they had parts of their head removed. Strangely enough Motoki didnt seem to have that problem.
But in general i thought men were hotter in the 90s anime than the manga and now Crystal
The episode Motoki appeared most was episode 6 (Tellulu's episode), one of the most well drawn one in season 3. So I was not surprised that their back heads were "normal". I even wish Takahashi had designed Motoki in season I.
 

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Well, the heads are like this by design. So the credit for well drawn Motoki goes to whoever was the episode animation director. Will be hard because with Crystal amazing outsourcing it was not necesssrely just one.
 

Seira Hazuki

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I’m curious if Tadano had anything to do with the character designs for the USJ ride. Especially considering the redrawn ‘90s artwork and stock animation.
 
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I’m curious if Tadano had anything to do with the character designs for the USJ ride trip. Especially considering the redrawn ‘90s artwork and stock animation.
I hope this is the case - the reworked merchandise art is a big improvement. The 4d designs have very beautiful eye shape and the lips are back.
 
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Well, Crystal Dream arc has more focus on him and the origin of his power, so technically they cannot skip some Mamoru development. and focus.We had some confirmation that they are following the manga.
I am hoping this, he deserves more attention.

I like both 90's and Crystals men, tough I also think Crystals Mamoru is a pretty boy. :D
 

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Well, they brought back the person responsible for the 90's anime designs, so I think it is safe to say that something at the very least is being done.

The question is if this will be a rushed production or one that takes time.

My disappointment with Crystal (seasons 1-2) was caused by the fact that TOEI made us wait a long time (there were many delays), and there was so much hype back then... I thought that the delays were caused because TOEI was perfecting its product, but instead we got something very flawed.
 

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Well, they brought back the person responsible for the 90's anime designs, so I think it is safe to say that something at the very least is being done.

The question is if this will be a rushed production or one that takes time.

My disappointment with Crystal (seasons 1-2) was caused by the fact that TOEI made us wait a long time (there were many delays), and there was so much hype back then... I thought that the delays were caused because TOEI was perfecting its product, but instead we got something very flawed.
They are aiming at theatrical release and from what I have seen Toei put way more effort in their movies, unless the tv ones. However, I think they are putting themselves in a similar situation, not advertizing enough, they should reveal some more stuff on time, so people won't build up hype or totally lose interest. Keeping us in the dark is negative for them.
 
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MariaTenebre

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I'll give crystal Chiba this credit, he's way better than 90s chiba
complain all you want about crystal but chiba the character is much improved since they emulate his manga self
I have said this before but personally I don't see much of a difference between how Mamoru is in the 90s anime vs. the manga or Crystal. On the most part he tends to have the same personality. He may not get as much time or focus in certain canons as opposed to others but over all his personality dosen't change as dramatically in other adaptations.
 

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I'll give crystal Chiba this credit, he's way better than 90s chiba
complain all you want about crystal but chiba the character is much improved since they emulate his manga self
Im not sure if i agree with that. Not entirely at least.
While manga/crystal Mamoru is a bit more consistent and in general more of a romantic boyfriend i do like certain aspects of 90s Mamoru more. For example i like how the 90s Mamo still was defending and helping out SM even after Beryl brainwashed him. His love for SM was still coming through and Usagi was able to heal him. And even after Beryl used a lot more Metalia's energy to brainwash him again Usagi was still able to bring him back. In the manga after brainwashing Mamoru was like a puppet the whole time. Usagi couldnt bring him back in any way. Then the same thing happened in Black Moon arc and Stars arc.

In the Black Moon arc King Endymion promised several times he will help them save the captured Inners and then also captured Usagi but he didnt do ANYTHING at all. He was completely useless. Mamoru also didnt do anything about Usagi back then. In the 90s anime Mamo saved Usagi in the same episode she was kidnapped

Even though some people hate 90s Mamoru's jerk side im glad he kept bits of his personality even in the later seasons. Manga Mamoru loses his mean side after act 3 and he's only the perfect boyfriend without flaws for the rest of the series.

In general i feel like manga Mamoru is more of a "perfect boyfriend for a romantic girl" while 90s Mamoru is more useful and dependable

And its not like 90s Mamoru isnt romantic (see R movie) if he wants to
 

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I like this Chiba from Bleach.

Crystal Chiba's attack has been done to death in Dragon Ball.


 

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well yall free to disagree in fact I don't expect anyone to agree but I stand by what I said

and yes I hate his jerky personality in the 90s but I also hate that usually before he tells Usagi something along the lines of that he loves her Usagi first has to tug on his shoulder and say "mamo-chan you love me right?" like he just can't say it without being reminded to say it

he in the future had to test his relationship resulting in the break up arc which wasn't needed cause the Doom tree arc was proof enough
and even if you argue that it still should happen [for some sadistic reason] it could have ended in the sleeping beauty ep when Usagi had to be kissed to awaken heck even in the promise ring ep it was Usagi who went against the voice chiba just chose to back off try to cut ties while watching from a distance and suffer in silence, Usagi holds the stronger bond than chiba in the 90s.

I never argue her love for him, no I just question him to her does he love her or is he going through the motions cause he loved Serenity, I never buy that he the character in the 90s anime genuinely romantically loves Usagi as Usagi Tsukino but that he's with her cause she was serenity and because of the future of crystal tokyo, if Princess Serenity was revealed as any other person he'd love her instead of Usagi at most I see them better as friends or in a big bro little sis relationship.

I never liked the R movie prefer S

90s chiba's only romantic when the plot says so like an on button never comes out as natural always feels forced
manga I can say the opposite there I can say it's genuine one could argue it's too perfect but I'll take that better than plot convenience any day

now get this despite it all the 90s anime is my fav version in the franchise but I acknowledge it's a mess flipside I'm not much of a manga fan I like some things in it but it's not my cup of tea yet the views on chiba's are reversed I like his manga self hate his 90s self - I adore 90s Usagi not too fond of Manga Usagi go figure, 90s manga and crystal aren't perfect all have flaws but some do certain things better than others and vice-versa, honestly I wish we could get a version of SM that combines the best elements of all versions and trims the fat [aka the cons] off them

I'll say this much if I had to choose between him and seiya I'd choose chiba but then again I'd also choose a long walk off a short pier
 
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Well... the writers of the old show hated Mamoru - it was all male writing room, after all. Especially Ikuhara, who desperately wanted people to ship Usagi with Rei... So they hatefully turned him into paedophile, jerk and comic relieve, pitifully throwing roses. .
 
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Well... the writers of the old show hated Mamoru - it was all male writing room, after all. Especially Ikuhara, who desperately wanted people to ship Usagi with Rei... So they hatefully turned him into paedophile, jerk and comic relieve, pitifully throwing roses. .
yeah pretty much and I don't dig the whole 14 year old dating a collage guy idea however I don't have issues with age gap as long as both parties are old enough, I'm with Ikuhara on most things but Usagi isn't a yuri and I'd rather she just be with another person who isn't chiba or prince Diamond or Seiya
 
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I'll give crystal Chiba this credit, he's way better than 90s chiba
complain all you want about crystal but chiba the character is much improved since they emulate his manga self
You know , I say this Msmorou,Pluto,Harucha ,Micheru, Ssilor Saturn,Sometimes Usagi, and Chibiusa were way better in the manga and crystal
 

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Well Usagi did have her annoying manga moment - the suicide attempt as well as the over the top jealousy of Chibi Usa, but if you know the whole story and look at the bigger picture these flaws at the first half of the story make her development and character growth in Infinity, Dreams and Stars. Sailor Moon manga was in a way Usagis coming of age story and this part of it was done very well with gradual but consistent maturity. The OG never kept her serious and strong for long, making her a bit bipolar or amnesiac, going back to her episode 1 level after every big battle
 

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well yall free to disagree in fact I don't expect anyone to agree but I stand by what I said

and yes I hate his jerky personality in the 90s but I also hate that usually before he tells Usagi something along the lines of that he loves her Usagi first has to tug on his shoulder and say "mamo-chan you love me right?" like he just can't say it without being reminded to say it

he in the future had to test his relationship resulting in the break up arc which wasn't needed cause the Doom tree arc was proof enough
and even if you argue that it still should happen [for some sadistic reason] it could have ended in the sleeping beauty ep when Usagi had to be kissed to awaken heck even in the promise ring ep it was Usagi who went against the voice chiba just chose to back off try to cut ties while watching from a distance and suffer in silence, Usagi holds the stronger bond than chiba in the 90s.

I never argue her love for him, no I just question him to her does he love her or is he going through the motions cause he loved Serenity, I never buy that he the character in the 90s anime genuinely romantically loves Usagi as Usagi Tsukino but that he's with her cause she was serenity and because of the future of crystal tokyo, if Princess Serenity was revealed as any other person he'd love her instead of Usagi at most I see them better as friends or in a big bro little sis relationship.

I never liked the R movie prefer S

90s chiba's only romantic when the plot says so like an on button never comes out as natural always feels forced
manga I can say the opposite there I can say it's genuine one could argue it's too perfect but I'll take that better than plot convenience any day

now get this despite it all the 90s anime is my fav version in the franchise but I acknowledge it's a mess flipside I'm not much of a manga fan I like some things in it but it's not my cup of tea yet the views on chiba's are reversed I like his manga self hate his 90s self - I adore 90s Usagi not too fond of Manga Usagi go figure, 90s manga and crystal aren't perfect all have flaws but some do certain things better than others and vice-versa, honestly I wish we could get a version of SM that combines the best elements of all versions and trims the fat [aka the cons] off them

I'll say this much if I had to choose between him and seiya I'd choose chiba but then again I'd also choose a long walk off a short pier
I am sorry Rose but much of what you say is simply not true. First of all Mamoru has told Usagi many times that he loves her without her asking if he does he literally told her in SuperS that it feels wonderful to be around her. Next the break up arc was stupid but it had it's purpose. It was somewhat implied in R that the reason for the Breakup arc was so that Usagi and Mamoru wouldn't be wrapped up in themselves and their romance but instead would focus on their love as it relates to Chibiusa their daughter. The two even got solo time with her that they might not have if they were focused on each other as young people are. Plus by the end King Endymion referenced their love as the only way to save Chibiusa when she was Black Lady. Most likely King Endymion knew that Chibiusa would become Black Lady as it happened in his time as well and it is pretty much implied that timeline is more or less fixed on the most part in Sailor Moon and the whole Black Moon Clan invasion of Crystal Tokyo and Chibiusa going back in time happened in all timelines atleast in the 90s anime that is. Plus one of the big themes of Sailor Moon Another Story which I know was not canon but this theme is shared with the other seasons is to keep the future as it is and should be.

Also you are completely wrong that Mamoru only loves Serenity and not Usagi. He has said many times to Usagi that he loves her just the way she is and both have said that they love each other for who they are and not because of their past lives. Your argument also fails because Princess Serenity in the 90s anime, manga and Crystal was the exact same person as Usagi and had the same personality etc. The only canon where Usagi and Princess Serenity were not the same person and have different personalities is PGSM but again we are not talking about PGSM we are talking about the 90s anime. Again if he fell in love with Princess Serenity in the past life then logically he would love Usagi as much so in this life as again they are the same person and have the same personalities. Pretty much all of the Senshi and Tuxedo Mask are the same person and have the same personalities as they did in their past life. Besides Usagi and Mamoru even in Classic do grow closer even without their memories and their whole teasing and fighting but having a crush on each other is a trope done in several anime. Hell Wedding Peach nearly completely replicates Usagi and Mamoru's relationship with Momoko and Yousuke likewise Inuyasha pulls on this trope with both Inuyasha and Kagome and Miroku and Sango. Besides that Usagi and Mamoru in the Classic season do grow closer in their guises as Sailor Moon and Tuxedo Mask. We can also see them in the Makaiju arc grow closer without the aid of their memories. Another thing when the true identity of the Moonlight Knight as a part of Mamoru's subconscious that split was revealed the Moonlight Knight said he split off from Mamoru due to his love for and desire to protect Usagi not Serenity.

Honestly Mamoru on the most part treated Usagi like gold. He bent over backwards to please her even when she could be especially bratty and even mean like in S where she slaps Mamoru for forgetting her birthday when she never even told him in the first place. Alot of guys would have broken up with a girl like that on the spot but no Mamoru still loved her and even went and bought those Cinderella shoes just like Usagi wanted (not knowing of course that they had been implanted with a Daimon Egg by Kaolinite). So I am sorry but the canon facts just do not support your idea that he mainly only loved Serenity and not Usagi. I think your jealousy and stubbornness is getting the best of you however that is one of the reasons I love you and find you so cute with your endearing love and dedication for Usagi even though I think it would be better if you found a new crush but again we all know that Usagi has firmly latched on to your heart! LOL!

Well... the writers of the old show hated Mamoru - it was all male writing room, after all. Especially Ikuhara, who desperately wanted people to ship Usagi with Rei... So they hatefully turned him into paedophile, jerk and comic relieve, pitifully throwing roses. .
Ugh not this again Mamoru is not a pedophile he is 18 years old and a college student. Besides Japan has a different age of consent. Their age of consent there is 13. A teenager has become pubescent and their bodies have changed from a child to a sexual creature. When I was Usagi's age I was seeking out older guys for one because I preferred them and most guys my age were immature and definitely not open to the whole trans thing. Besides by the time of Dream and Stars in the manga Usagi is 16 and Mamoru is 18 so even still their relationship is not totally legal by Western standards. What is stupid is that people will call Mamoru a pedophile but be all down with Naru and Nephrite's relationship or Senshi/Shitennou. Nephrite is actually older then Mamoru he is 19 age wise in all canons of the story ( all though the 90s anime implied that all of the Dark Kingdom were sealed away in the D point after the fall of the Silver Millennium) however still physically he is 19 years old yet people don't have a problem with him being paired with either 14 year old Naru or Makoto. In all canons. Like wise Kunzite is 25 years old but people don't sling out pedophile accusations when he is paired with 16 year old Zoisite or 14 year old Minako. Mamoru is not a pedophile and neither are any of them. I personally wish that the West didn't have this idea that teenagers are no different then prepubescent children and must be shielded from all things sexual. Because of this failure to see teenagers as sexual creatures this is why the teen pregnancy rate is so high in certain states in America and even why the teen STD rates are so high because teenagers are shielded from sexual situations and aren't taught how to have sex cleenly, safely and responsibly.

Next Mamoru is no more of a jerk in the 90s anime then he is in any other version. Pretty much all versions start off with Usagi and Mamoru bumping into each other, getting into arguments etc. Heck Usagi tossed some pretty harsh exchanges to him as well but no one sees her as a jerk. Likewise Rei and Mamoru bonded over the fact that they like to tease Usagi and Rei herself could toss sass and rudeness to Usagi and Usagi back to Rei but no one on the most part seems to have issue with Rei.

As for comic relief Mamoru was not turned into comic relief any more then any other person on the show. Also his Rose throwing stuff happened both in the 90s anime and the manga and those Rose throws saved the Senshi's collective bacon numerous times
 
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Mamoru has never threw a rose in the manga though. Never. By S an SuperS he was completely shafted as a back ground character. They never hide the fact they used him to parody stuff. I know the age of consent in Japan and he is not on the illegal side, but they didn't have a reason to age him up for the anime. Don't get me wrong - the old show is my introduction to the franchise and I think it is great as a story and as character driven show, having amazing flesh out heroes and villains. But for me their treatment of the moon family - Usagi, Mamoru and Chibi-Usa was not the best and these three work better in the manga. The rest of the characters I do prefer the 90s show, although the manga is not as terrible at character development as Crystal - with all the side stories and small personality panels here and there - it does the job. But we are getting off topic. I really hope we will see these designs soon.
 
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