Do you think the character designs are even done?

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MariaTenebre

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Mamoru has never threw a rose in the manga though. Never. By S an SuperS he was completely shafted as a back ground character. They never hide the fact they used him to parody stuff. I know the age of consent in Japan and he is not on the illegal side, but they didn't have a reason to age him up for the anime. Don't get me wrong - the old show is my introduction to the franchise and I think it is great as a story and as character driven show, having amazing flesh out heroes and villains. But for me their treatment of the moon family - Usagi, Mamoru and Chibi-Usa was not the best and these three work better in the manga. The rest of the characters I do prefer the 90s show, although the manga is not as terrible at character development as Crystal - with all the side stories and small personality panels here and there - it does the job. But we are getting off topic. I really hope we will see these designs soon.
Again I don't think that the 90s anime was bad in it's treatment of Usagi, Mamoru or Chibiusa. I did like how say Mamoru got more focus in the manga and his own attack Tuxedo La Smoking Bomber. However I did not like how the attack was depicted in Crystal of him just sending a blast of energy from his hand. I would have liked it to be maybe more rose themed as that seems to be his element and all plants specifically roses and healing.

Also yeah I hope we see the designs too.
 

sapphire91

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Plants are generally reserved for Makoto and she has them as her theme. It would have be a bit strange, but over all I agree that Crystal La Smoking Bomber was pretty generic They completely glossed over his healing powers, removing the scene with Asanuma that established them. And later when he used them on Chibi Usa it felt random. I really think Munehisa Sakai never expected the show to keep going beyond act 26 and didn't care much about stuff that gets important later on - like Mamoru's healing powers and the forgotten Phobos and Deimos.
 

MariaTenebre

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Plants are generally reserved for Makoto and she has them as her theme. It would have be a bit strange, but over all I agree that Crystal La Smoking Bomber was pretty generic They completely glossed over his healing powers, removing the scene with Asanuma that established them. And later when he used them on Chibi Usa it felt random. I really think Munehisa Sakai never expected the show to keep going beyond act 26 and didn't care much about stuff that gets important later on - like Mamoru's healing powers and the forgotten Phobos and Deimos.
Other Senshi can have similar elements. Makoto's elemental affiliations are lightning/thunder, wood and flowers. However Sailor Ceres also has flowers as her element and Minako's Love Whip she gets as her weapons is a chain made out of Roses so other Senshi have this elemental affinity.

Likewise Sailor Mercury uses ice and fresh water as her element but Sailor Neptune also uses water as an element albeit salt water. Also Sailor Vesta uses fire like Sailor Mars.

So yeah I definitely think that Roses are sort of his element along with his healing powers. It is actually kind of funny as no Senshi was given the element of Earth per se and my Earth I mean ground like soil, rock, stone etc.
 

sapphire91

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But Vesta and Ceres are the next generation senshi, so they are bound to have the same elements. Mercury is aqua, Pluto is ocean and Venus whip is just ornated with roses - but her attacks are not plant based. They all have different elements. Wow, I hope we will see the rose whip soon. I forgot how beautiful it is. They are making us waiting for the best stuff in the manga and it is unbearable.
 
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Mamoru has never threw a rose in the manga though. Never. By S an SuperS he was completely shafted as a back ground character. They never hide the fact they used him to parody stuff. I know the age of consent in Japan and he is not on the illegal side, but they didn't have a reason to age him up for the anime. Don't get me wrong - the old show is my introduction to the franchise and I think it is great as a story and as character driven show, having amazing flesh out heroes and villains. But for me their treatment of the moon family - Usagi, Mamoru and Chibi-Usa was not the best and these three work better in the manga. The rest of the characters I do prefer the 90s show, although the manga is not as terrible at character development as Crystal - with all the side stories and small personality panels here and there - it does the job. But we are getting off topic. I really hope we will see these designs soon.
As far as we know he is 18 in the anime so just a year older than the manga
 

sapphire91

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I think if he is in college he should be 19. Japanese start high school at the age of 16 and it is 3 years. The age of Mamoru never bugged me as much as the overall relationship portrayal - Usagi being pushy, he treated her like a silly kid for the most part. They had their moments but overall their relationship was kind a strange and awkward. The only thing I prefer in the old Mamoru is his design - he looks too feminine in Crystal and I dig his thing for motorcycles. But it is evident he was writers least favorite character.
 

MariaTenebre

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But Vesta and Ceres are the next generation senshi, so they are bound to have the same elements. Mercury is aqua, Pluto is ocean and Venus whip is just ornated with roses - but her attacks are not plant based. They all have different elements. Wow, I hope we will see the rose whip soon. I forgot how beautiful it is. They are making us waiting for the best stuff in the manga and it is unbearable.
Well really getting down to it Tuxedo Mask is not a part of Sailor Moon's team. He is a leading Prince in his own right. And again there are several characters whose elements overlap. Again Sailor Mercury and Sailor Neptune's elements are different but still very similar. So again I see no issue with Tuxedo Mask's element being roses along with his general healing ability

I think if he is in college he should be 19. Japanese start high school at the age of 16 and it is 3 years. The age of Mamoru never bugged me as much as the overall relationship portrayal - Usagi being pushy, he treated her like a silly kid for the most part. They had their moments but overall their relationship was kind a strange and awkward. The only thing I prefer in the old Mamoru is his design - he looks too feminine in Crystal and I dig his thing for motorcycles. But it is evident he was writers least favorite character.
Well when you come right down to it in the beginning of Classic Usagi should be 13 but the series says she is 14. So again the ages of these characters can be inconsistent.
 
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Its possible he is 18. Not only he's very intelligent but also his childhood probably affected his education.

I still stand by what i said earlier: i dont think 90s Mamoru is a good romantic boyfriend but he is a lot more useful. Manga Mamoru deffo has very cool powers but he almost never uses them. Even his own attack was used just once after Black Moon arc
 

sapphire91

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People in Japan have the habit of saying the age they started. When you are 13 you start your 14 year, so especially for kids it is common to say it this way. It is not generally used as much now but it was a thing in the 90s. As for the usefulness - he has never been of much use and the idea of Sailor Moon is to empower the girls and change the damsel in distress cliche. He SAVED Usagi so much in the 90s anime that this idea blurred. In manga he helps her in a way of reassuring her and support her. There was a scene removed from Crystal in act 2 wen he support her to do a special move, which established them as equal and for me this is the essence.
 
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The Sailor Moon kick. I was actually waiting for that and wondered why they took it out. In fact, I feel like it should have been a energetic type attack where her bootbor whatever glows as she kicks the enemy, like a quick stun move...or like Chun-Li's air super from Marvel vs Capcom..lol

Tuxedo La Smoking Bomber looked pretty simple. It would have been funny if he threw an exploding Rose though. Like when he manage to penetrate a retreating Beryl in the 90s...would have been nice to see the rose exploded..lol.

I remember at least two times where Mamoru kicked butt and looked cool. Once was in Classic when they fought the tennis monster. He was great in that episode, and the nextbwas when he fought and countered Rubeus' attack with an army of roses which made an explosion.

I never really associated with plants except for the fact that Fiore seems to be the reason he uses roses, however, how is he able to store and create them in the anime.

It would be nice if his cane could turn into sword or something like Uranus talisman, except his can....umm grow... Lol
 
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Alright the age of consent stuff.While there is a law saying no sex for 13years old.They are also law saying adults can't have sex with teenagers unless they are eighteen.You can get married by parents permission for 16 girls,and18 years old boys
 
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As for the usefulness - he has never been of much use and the idea of Sailor Moon is to empower the girls and change the damsel in distress cliche. He SAVED Usagi so much in the 90s anime that this idea blurred. In manga he helps her in a way of reassuring her and support her. There was a scene removed from Crystal in act 2 wen he support her to do a special move, which established them as equal and for me this is the essence.
I disagree. He was useful many times and not just with throwing roses. He shielded Usagi several times aswell as physically fought the enemy.
I also disagree about the whole "girl empowering" in Usagi's case because Mamoru is the key aspect in Usagi's life in every version and at most in the manga. Its the manga where she'd rather kill herself than watch Mamoru being brainwashed. Its there where she cant fight enemy without his support. I think in every version the relationship affects SM as a warrior so in that sense she always was a damsel in distress to a degree
 

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In the meantime, we can still look over some of Tadano's more recent illustrations and guess based on them. The first is from an auction site and is presumably more recent than the last one I posted, since it looks even closer to the 90s style. The second one is from a video of her drawing at a convention last year. #KazukoTadano dibujando a Sailor Moon en la Super Japan Expo, demasiado emocionante ver algo así en vivo ❤️ #美少女戦士セーラームーン #只野和子 by xxkumizuki

 

sapphire91

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Yes, but they don't say much. This was her drawing and emulting the 90s art. The new one will be different, because they follow some current tendencies and she will still have to base it pn previous Crystal designs. I know any people want the show to look more like 90s, but with the current way anime is colored and shaded digitally, the art would look flat, Like the Japanese dvd covers for the first two seasons. They are using art from the laser box, but recolored digitally and it looks like cheap fan art in the end.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...oon_R_5.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131223213026
http://www.fansubs.ca/case/sm2/case_r05.jpg
 

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The tacky shading from the old 10th anniversary DVDs hasn't been used in a long time and it wouldn't be possible to use for something animated. Furthermore, Osabu already confirmed it'll look like the 90s anime (why would they get her and make a big deal out of it otherwise? A sightly more retro style isn't going to magically look flat in digital animation if it didn't back in the days of hand-painted cels.

The coloring will probably be something simple like season 3 without the filters used in 1&2.
 

sapphire91

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When did Osabu confirmed it. An updated 90s look would be nice, but I haven't seen that confirmation. They hired her because she is pretty versatile, plus she has a lot of experience and was the first designer. But I don't think they want it to look like the 90s If they wanted that they would have hired Itou Ikuko, as she is the one most associated with the old series. The only confirmation I know from the director was they will follow the manga storyline closely. I hope they will add more shades now that it is a movie, some more depth with a closer to the 90s look with modern touch and the set of shades like s01 and 02 will look exactly how I would personally want it to look like. I think it will be something like the 4d ride but obviously in 2d and if it is like that it will be gorgeous Other option is to base them from the 10th anniversary manga edition - she can adapt this cuter but still elegant style very well. I like them as well. Whatever she do will be better than Takashi.
 
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Rika-Chicchi

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