Do you think villains got redeemed too much sometimes?

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Slowpokeking

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Look at the impact Demande's death had on both stories. In the manga, Demande's death serves to strengthen the bond between Usagi and Mamoru, which made him very effective as a villain. In the anime, his confession does nothing to erase his previous actions and it doesn't have any lasting effects on Usagi's character. She came out of the R arc the same person she did going into it. The whole redemption angle in this case hurt the story more than it helped.
I don't see how did it strengthen their bond, they are already lover to death. It's already been done to death in DK arc.

In Crystal, Demande's character was more complete and showed that Usagi was able to awake ppl's good inside them, even someone like Demande in the manga.

In the anime, his confession also showed that he had regain his heart and realized the path was wrong. And it was done by Usagi, it showed her will to trust in such ppl actually was the right way to go. As it was a big theme of R. Because of it, she continued that path and chose to trust Hotaru in S.
 

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Actually even in the anime, Demande was the first non-brainwashed/possessed major villain that Usagi was able to convince and turn back. His character also had setup to show that he was not beyond redemption. His sacrifice also made it powerful compare to most of the later ones.
 
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I had a sad enough time absorbing some of the villains' deaths like Eudial's ^_^' (still like to think she survived the fall somehow and just quit). Perhaps not necessarily more redemption but less death would be nice? Some villains could reasonably quit being villlains even without a purification. For example Kaolinite was content wtih just being Pr. Tomoe's secretary/housekeeper after her first death, and didn't care about being a death buster.
 
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I had a sad enough time absorbing some of the villains' deaths like Eudial's ^_^' (still like to think she survived the fall somehow and just quit).
@SpicyNoodle Personally, I also believe that Mimete was never 'actually' killed but rather 'digitized' (not unlike Flynn in 'TRON' or Jobe in 'Lawnmower Man') and is spooking around the Internet until this very day, kinda like some sort of virus. :keke:

Some villains could reasonably quit being villlains even without a purification.
As again with Mimi, who had more than enough Stamina and Showgirl Potential so she could've become a Celebrity of some kind and make a Living out of it.
 

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One villain who died which I found kinda distressing was Rubeus believe it or not lol. He was evil to the very end and never showed any sign of possible redemption but his death was just so awful x_x
Dying alone in space, screaming until his ship exploded, after a brief moment of hope until it was squashed by Esmeraude laughing in his face and cheering for his death.

Holy mackerel. My jaw dropped at that scene. That's brutal in any show but positively shocking in a kids show.

Especially since the previous three episodes featured the Spectre Sisters all redeeming and getting happy endings.

I mean like he wasn't a very nice guy or anything but damn. I have to admit it was kinda upsetting lol. Too bad he didn't get to have a redeem.

(Not to mention his Viz voice has played a bunch of characters who I love tons so I was a bit biased in his favour because of that lol. As soon as he opened in his mouth I was like STEVE STALEY :D)
 
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@SpicyNoodle Personally, I also believe that Mimete was never 'actually' killed but rather 'digitized' (not unlike Flynn in 'TRON' or Jobe in 'Lawnmower Man') and is spooking around the Internet until this very day, kinda like some sort of virus. :keke:



As again with Mimi, who had more than enough Stamina and Showgirl Potential so she could've become a Celebrity of some kind and make a Living out of it.
Mimete had a serial killer streak, i think it would be hard for her to lead a normal life without purification (or medication). The girl flipped from obsession over hunky men to vindictive disregard for their lives with disturbing ease.

But she was otherwise talented enough to be an idol. And maybe thats what it takes to succeed in showbiz, lol.
No, she deserves to die for hurting Michiru like that.
Eh, it was just a scratch, she could walk it off.
 

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One villain who died which I found kinda distressing was Rubeus believe it or not lol. He was evil to the very end and never showed any sign of possible redemption but his death was just so awful x_x
Dying alone in space, screaming until his ship exploded, after a brief moment of hope until it was squashed by Esmeraude laughing in his face and cheering for his death.

Holy mackerel. My jaw dropped at that scene. That's brutal in any show but positively shocking in a kids show.

Especially since the previous three episodes featured the Spectre Sisters all redeeming and getting happy endings.

I mean like he wasn't a very nice guy or anything but damn. I have to admit it was kinda upsetting lol. Too bad he didn't get to have a redeem.

(Not to mention his Viz voice has played a bunch of characters who I love tons so I was a bit biased in his favour because of that lol. As soon as he opened in his mouth I was like STEVE STALEY :D)
Actually that scene was meant to let ppl feel sympathy for him, to add more human side for him. Because he was such a jerk so that scene had to be cruel to let ppl feel bad for him. That's why I like BMC because all of them are so human.
 
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Actually that scene was meant to let ppl feel sympathy for him, to add more human side for him. Because he was such a jerk so that scene had to be cruel to let ppl feel bad for him. That's why I like BMC because all of them are so human.
Well they did a very good job lol. I almost felt sick when I saw that XD And yes, I very much enjoy the BMC too♡
 
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Regarding the idea of redeeming the Death Busters members in the anime, wasn't it implied that the members of the Witches 5 lack heart crystals? Not only do all of them have the pupil-less eyes of those whose heart crystals have been taken, but when Eudial rigged the room to shoot at Neptune, Eudial was able to walk across that stretch with no problem. I can't remember if it was said in the dialogue that the bullets were set off by the presence of a heart crystal, which would suggest Eudial doesn't posses a heart crystal.

If I'm misremembering, please feel free to correct me. If the Witches 5 (and possibly Kaolinite) don't have heart crystals, then they don't even have the capacity to reform unless they have those, right?
 

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Regarding the idea of redeeming the Death Busters members in the anime, wasn't it implied that the members of the Witches 5 lack heart crystals? Not only do all of them have the pupil-less eyes of those whose heart crystals have been taken, but when Eudial rigged the room to shoot at Neptune, Eudial was able to walk across that stretch with no problem. I can't remember if it was said in the dialogue that the bullets were set off by the presence of a heart crystal, which would suggest Eudial doesn't posses a heart crystal.

If I'm misremembering, please feel free to correct me. If the Witches 5 (and possibly Kaolinite) don't have heart crystals, then they don't even have the capacity to reform unless they have those, right?
In the manga they were all perfect daimon. So it's possible.
 
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Regarding the idea of redeeming the Death Busters members in the anime, wasn't it implied that the members of the Witches 5 lack heart crystals? Not only do all of them have the pupil-less eyes of those whose heart crystals have been taken, but when Eudial rigged the room to shoot at Neptune, Eudial was able to walk across that stretch with no problem. I can't remember if it was said in the dialogue that the bullets were set off by the presence of a heart crystal, which would suggest Eudial doesn't posses a heart crystal.

If I'm misremembering, please feel free to correct me. If the Witches 5 (and possibly Kaolinite) don't have heart crystals, then they don't even have the capacity to reform unless they have those, right?
Eudial said that anyone walking across the floor would be targeted other than herself. So the trigger had nothing to do with having a heart crystal. She also developed software capable of recognizing specifically the owners of the talismans.

As for whether they have heart crystals I dont know obviously, but i find it strange that anyone would create daimons that dont care much about their job (Mimete, Kaoli), or capable of love (Kaoli), or daimons that need training (Eudial mentions she had taught the other members of Witches 5). Seems unnecessary complex and counterproductive.
 
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Eudial said that anyone walking across the floor would be targeted other than herself. So the trigger had nothing to do with having a heart crystal. She also developed software capable of recognizing specifically the owners of the talismans.

As for whether they have heart crystals I dont know obviously, but i find it strange that anyone would create daimons that dont care much about their job (Mimete, Kaoli), or capable of love (Kaoli), or daimons that need training (Eudial mentions she had taught the other members of Witches 5). Seems unnecessary complex and counterproductive.
You're right about Eudial. I do remember now what implied in a roundabout way that the Witches 5 don't have heart crystals.

When Tellu injected the plant to make a Hyper Tellun, it was to devour anyone with a heart crystal. It only started to attack her when the heart crystals she carried were released.

This implied Tellu would have been safe from the plant normally because she lacked a heart crystal.
 
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You're right about Eudial. I do remember now what implied in a roundabout way that the Witches 5 don't have heart crystals.

When Tellu injected the plant to make a Hyper Tellun, it was to devour anyone with a heart crystal. It only started to attack her when the heart crystals she carried were released.

This implied Tellu would have been safe from the plant normally because she lacked a heart crystal.
Hyper-Telulun was said to react to pure hearts only, at least in my sub. If Tellu had a heart it was most certainly not pure.

I view them not having heart crystals as a possibility, but I also think they might be just bad humans, and I am more sceptical about them being daimons. I think its more plausible they are either possessed by daimons or just a bunch of immoral people hired and endowed with dark magic powers (befitting the name Witches), or aliens that aren't daimons. In particular Eudial is suspect because she doesn't have any magic powers to speak of. If she is a daimon she is a very strange one.

Kaolinite is an interesting case. She doesnt seem to know what a city tram is in ep. 99. This implies she is not from earth, or not from a modern time period. At the same time if she is a daimon, a daimon can apparently fall in love with a human. While he was possessed by another daimon, and this fact went completely over her head. She even hoped for reciprocation, why would a daimon care about such matters? This is quite bizarre. I am leaning extraterrestrial but not a daimon.
 
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