Do you think Viz secretly has the rights to the old dubs?

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While I understand why Viz would be worried about upsetting fans that had been waiting a long time for a faithful release and confusing the consumers I think that assuming that there is no overlap between people that want the old dub and a new one is weird. Even a fraction of the fanbase is bigger than some of the other titles companies invest in. Yes the old dub is really old and a lot of people have moved on but thats true of the franchise as a whole doesn't mean that a lot of people aren't willing to their wallets at Viz to get what they want.
 

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#82
They might still provide to the fraction. But they had to prioritize - losing the majority of fans is a bigger loss than selling less of a future old dub reissue
 
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#83
The people who have been petitioning for a new dub would have still waited. They're personally invested. If they waited 20 years, they will wait 20 more.

You're underestimating the number of people who liked the old dub. Just because the old dub fans didn't organize didn't mean they weren't there. The Youtube views for old dub and sub episodes were roughly equal, with most of the people watching the old dub episodes commenting about the episodes, not on things outside of what was shown.

Yeah, there'd be some people who would call for boycotts, but it wouldn't be a majority. There's no reason to believe that fans of the (then) sub wouldn't have waited. If anything, the controversy might have increased sales.

Plus, even in a worst case scenario, Viz wouldn't be out all of the money for a new dub that still might not be reaching expectations. If you're running a business you want to minimize costs and take risks that are worth the reward. They're already down because of all the money shelled out for the license. Doubling down on a new dub will mean that Viz would not just have to get the devoted, but Viz have to convince new fans and old dub fans to watch their show.

Except old dub fans, unlike hardcore fans, aren't as attached to the franchise as a whole, and more importantly, as an old property, there aren't enough new fans who would be drawn in by a new dub. So catering to the devoted is chasing a narrow pool of fans that will only get narrower.

Finally, as all polls have shown, by far, people who wanted to watch Sailor Moon wanted to watch it in Japanese, and even with a new dub most active fans watch it that way...which means a new dub wouldn't draw in many new dollars anyway.
 

sapphire91

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#84
The point is who is vocal and who is not. Old English dub fans might be plenty but they are so silent that I came to the conclusion they don't exist. Even now they are very silent. Imagine the reverse - old dub being released at the moment and not uncut verion with a new translation. I really thing there would gave been way more bavklash and much less support for VIZ efforts.
 
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#85
The point is who is vocal and who is not. Old English dub fans might be plenty but they are so silent that I came to the conclusion they don't exist. Even now they are very silent. Imagine the reverse - old dub being released at the moment and not uncut verion with a new translation. I really thing there would gave been way more bavklash and much less support for VIZ efforts.
We are only silent,because we get bully by sub fans sometimes.I think they could released the old dub after the new one.Lot people are fan of the old dub.Even fsns of the new dub will buy it for logistical sake.
 

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#86
I completely understand. I don't mind the old dub and would be very happy for all tje fans if they release it. I just understand why they decided to redub first. I myself like the dic dub a lot. It us funny different experience and it is entertaining.
 
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OK so in summary

- There is high chance that Viz probably does have in "theory" the rights to release the old dub but they can't because
- A possibility of some contractual issue surrounding a certain element eg music rights for the music as someone mentioned
- The Japanese licensors wanting to bury the old dub
- The unavailability of some materials

All of these are in theory solveable
- The contractual issues if they exist can be resolved by throwing money at the right people
- The resistance from the Japanese licensors can be overcome if its shown theres money to be made from releasing the old dub and gaining their agreement
- Even if some materials don't exist they could just like Discotek just rip old DVD's etc.

Therefore none of those issues are not in theory impossible to solve in some way.

Therefore my argument is that Viz just simply doesn't want to because they just don't feel it's a commercially viable project because the amount of sales / profit would not justify the potential cost .

I know some people have commented on this thread that it's easy to just stick it up on streaming - I don't think it's as easy as that - there will be a capital cost involved in any project - in terms of negotiation, preparation, distribution and manufacturing - there is no such thing as "lets stick it up on streaming because we just can and it won't cost us anything.

Please be mindful of the commercial realities - Viz is a big company, they want to make money and they won't spend money on something that they think will make a loss for them / waste their time.

If they thought it would have made them money they would have bent over backwards to get it out by now - like people have said it's not like they have got to make anything the job's already complete - they simple made a commercial decision that it was in their best interests to focus on a new translation and a new dub.

Viz might "know" there are "some" old dub fans out there - you're right they will have got questions in panels / emails but they have based on their market research decided it was just not at this time a viable commercial venture for them.
 
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I think we should also remember that Viz didn't just buy the rights to the original anime - they bought the rights to Crystal too. In order to make Crystal a more attractive property, they were naturally going to dub it, and if they were going to assemble a voice cast for that dub, it makes sense to satisfy the fandom's desire for an uncut dub of the 90s anime with that cast. So I think it makes sense that they did their own dub, and I think it makes sense that they'd put it out first before releasing the old dub (if they can and ever do intend to do so). However, based on their general remarks about the original dub and the fact that Viz doesn't seem as interested in Sailor Moon as it did before, I don't see that happening. I also think that, depending on how long it takes for Crystal's take on the Dream arc (and, presumably, eventually Stars as well) to come out, I think there's also a chance the Viz dub will see some parts be recast.
 

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I think we should also remember that Viz didn't just buy the rights to the original anime - they bought the rights to Crystal too. In order to make Crystal a more attractive property, they were naturally going to dub it, and if they were going to assemble a voice cast for that dub, it makes sense to satisfy the fandom's desire for an uncut dub of the 90s anime with that cast. So I think it makes sense that they did their own dub, and I think it makes sense that they'd put it out first before releasing the old dub (if they can and ever do intend to do so). However, based on their general remarks about the original dub and the fact that Viz doesn't seem as interested in Sailor Moon as it did before, I don't see that happening. I also think that, depending on how long it takes for Crystal's take on the Dream arc (and, presumably, eventually Stars as well) to come out, I think there's also a chance the Viz dub will see some parts be recast.
The only reason they are not as interested is because they messed up with the video quality and sell much less than Madman as I know many people in the USA imported because for many the vudeo quality is a deal breaker. The old shows sells perfectly well everywhere else, so it is their own fault.
 

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#91
I also think that, depending on how long it takes for Crystal's take on the Dream arc (and, presumably, eventually Stars as well) to come out, I think there's also a chance the Viz dub will see some parts be recast.
The only way I see that happening is if those VAs go the Troy Baker/Laura Bailey route, moving on from anime and work on only union stuff and AAA video games.
 
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#93
Just out of curiosity does anyone know when the Dic music disappeared from Itunes and what that means? I purchased a few of the tracks from the full moon collection a few years ago but if I remember right that was before Viz. I should have bought more tracks while I could.
https://sailormusic.net/ has MP3 and FLAC.
 
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The only way I see that happening is if those VAs go the Troy Baker/Laura Bailey route, moving on from anime and work on only union stuff and AAA video games.
Is there really a concern that the core cast is going anywhere? Usually it's like Texas or Canadian Voice actors that end up leaving to go to L.A? Aren't they already where the action is at? Unless they just right out retire I don't really see why that would happen?
 

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I don't think it is possible either, but then we don't know what are the conditions in their contracts. Plus at that point wecannot even tell how long it will take to finish Crystal, but 5 years are the absolute minimum with their pace. We don't even know when will they release Dream arc movies and will they be released back to back or they will produce each for decades... So some of them might retire, get pregnant etc. Crystal has been a thing for almost 5 years and it will be forcat least another 5, even more if they are not working on part 1 and 2 simultaniously. At that point we might have replacements even on the Japanese side. Kotono is not getting any younger, Hisato Kanemoto might decide she likes it overseas more. Nobody knew that Crystal would take eo long.
 
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#96
So... I wanted to look up the episode of Sailor Stars where Usagi tells that girl it's better for her to like boys than girls (I wanted to figure out which episode that was and get the exact quote) for @sapphire91's thread about episodes with bad messages. Anyway, I went to look through the episodes on Yahoo View and noticed.......that Yahoo lists the ORIGINAL dub voice actors as the show's cast. (Weirdly enough, while listing Vince Corazza as Darien, it also lists Robbie Daymond as Mamoru.) This is obviously incredibly inaccurate and misleading, and something Viz should have corrected long ago. They're either completely asleep at the wheel or they have no problem trying to trick some ill-informed fans...
 

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#97
So... I wanted to look up the episode of Sailor Stars where Usagi tells that girl it's better for her to like boys than girls (I wanted to figure out which episode that was and get the exact quote) for @sapphire91's thread about episodes with bad messages. Anyway, I went to look through the episodes on Yahoo View and noticed.......that Yahoo lists the ORIGINAL dub voice actors as the show's cast. (Weirdly enough, while listing Vince Corazza as Darien, it also lists Robbie Daymond as Mamoru.) This is obviously incredibly inaccurate and misleading, and something Viz should have corrected long ago. They're either completely asleep at the wheel or they have no problem trying to trick some ill-informed fans...
I won't be surprise if they try to trick people. It won't be the first time. Remember when they were presenting a laser disc shots as Japanese dvd screens for "comparison" purposes to sell people their "as good as possible" quality. This shows they are ready to use whatever tricks with uninformed casual fans, unfamiliar with the Japanese/ European DD releases, but they have choosen the wrong fandom.
 
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#98
The people who have been petitioning for a new dub would have still waited. They're personally invested. If they waited 20 years, they will wait 20 more.

You're underestimating the number of people who liked the old dub. Just because the old dub fans didn't organize didn't mean they weren't there. The Youtube views for old dub and sub episodes were roughly equal, with most of the people watching the old dub episodes commenting about the episodes, not on things outside of what was shown.

Yeah, there'd be some people who would call for boycotts, but it wouldn't be a majority. There's no reason to believe that fans of the (then) sub wouldn't have waited. If anything, the controversy might have increased sales.

Plus, even in a worst case scenario, Viz wouldn't be out all of the money for a new dub that still might not be reaching expectations. If you're running a business you want to minimize costs and take risks that are worth the reward. They're already down because of all the money shelled out for the license. Doubling down on a new dub will mean that Viz would not just have to get the devoted, but Viz have to convince new fans and old dub fans to watch their show.

Except old dub fans, unlike hardcore fans, aren't as attached to the franchise as a whole, and more importantly, as an old property, there aren't enough new fans who would be drawn in by a new dub. So catering to the devoted is chasing a narrow pool of fans that will only get narrower.

Finally, as all polls have shown, by far, people who wanted to watch Sailor Moon wanted to watch it in Japanese, and even with a new dub most active fans watch it that way...which means a new dub wouldn't draw in many new dollars anyway.
Where do people get the idea that Sailor Moon is under performing for Viz?