Does anyone feel Classic is the weakest Season?

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Oct 14, 2015
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Classic gets universal phrase as being not only the strongest, but also the most revolutionary season of Sailor Moon. No other part in the 90s TV series gets as much praise for quality and so vaunted for its impact on the anime industry as the first season.

To the point even THEMANIME for years rated Sailor Moon Classic as a PERFECT 5 Stars out of Five (although back in 2012 the original reviewer rewatched the entire 90s series and changed his score to 4 out of 5 due to the reason that the series overall hasn't aged as well and the flaws are more apparent for season 1 than it was for the past 20 years he's been an Moonie). And THEMANIME has rather a bizarre and very strict system of rating anime (for example most mainstream series like DBZ and YYH gets 3 stars and Rurouni Kenshin which the reviewer praised as being so superb in almost everyway got 4 stars over minor and sort of stupid reasons).

I just finally got around reaching Sailor Stars this year and watched it, thus finishing my 5 years of watching the 90s series from start to end. Quite honestly despite it being bashed as the weakest season, I quite enjoyed it.

In fact honestly I'll bluntly state that the first season was the weakest, most boring, most cliched, and STUPIDEST in writing. It was so difficult to finish and I almost gave up midway when I started watching years ago. Actually I even admitted I stopped in my first attempt, forgot about it, and than gave it a shot again from episode one to 56 (almost giving up again halfway but this time I struck through).

Honestly whatever flaws the later seasons had (such as taboo relationships, reptitive monster of the week formula, fillers, corny villains, etc) started in Classic. In fact Classic manages to take later season's flaws to PRIVATEER ridiculous extents (such as Naryu's relationship with Zoicite) despite how later season's get bashed for these same flawed storytelling (such as Chibiusa and Helios relationship as being bestial, Sailor Stars villains being so childish and comedic, etc etc).

The thing that however made me so pissed with Classic is that the introduction of the Sailor Senshis didn't even give me the wow factor which oddly later season characters such as the Outers, the Stars, and Pegasus did. In addition the Senshis felt so predictable-I admit the same flaw is inherent throughout the 90s series but with later seasons I felt the Senshis despite already knowing their quirks and habits were so fun to watch and even actually get genuine personality changes as the series runs on starting from the second half of R all the way to Stars (hell even Stars make some rather drastic development to character personalities such as Ami finally openly showing that she's crushing on a boy as opposed to Season 1 where her relationship with that other genius student was just Platonic at best despite the implications and fanfics pairing). For later characters as soon as they were introudced I felt I wanted to know them. Too big a topic but for example I was mesmerized with how regal and mature Harukah was when she was introduced in Super.

Another flaw (going hand in hand with stuff mentioned in the last paragraph) is how I already know literally whats coming to the Sailor Senshis (for example they all died and than get resurrected at the final battle). I'll grant this criticism is not entirely Classic's fault as I actually got my first exposure watching SM back in the 90s and watched every aired episode DIC hosted for Classic from start to end-so I already was sort of spoiled from an earlier dub of what to expect. Still it is the work of a truly strong writing to make even known twists and plot elements to be extremely powerful even if through pop cultural osmosis and It Was His Sled that made the hidden twist and turn so famous in mainstream culture that even people who already seen the plot element repeated by a slew of imitators and later giant franchises and trivia TV shows get awed by the twist and turns.

I mean despite Darth Vader being the father of Luke Skywalker, even new generations who already know the plot twist from watching imitators and through its repeated echo in media journalism, TV quiz shows, and interviews and docs on Sci Fi and Star Wars, new generations still get ROCKED when they see Darth Vader reveal the sinister truth for the first time they watch The Emperor Strike Back. The writing for the Original Star Wars trilogy was just that STRONG that it puts powerful emotional impact on those who know what to expect but never seen it before and even those who rewatched Star Wras for the 20 millionth time.

I never felt that awe from Classic's powerful twists and emotional turning points (Mamoro and Usagi being lovers in a past life, the revelation of each Senshi, and most importantly the deaths of the whole cast and later joyful revival at the end). In fact I'd have a feeling I wouldn't feel so touched even if I never heard of Sailor Moon before the second time I tried to watch Classic Subbed (and finally finished it).

While I admit I had the element of not knowing what happens in later seasons, I feel that so many stuff were far better executed such as the romance between Chibi and Helios, the (rather generic) backstories of the Sailor Stars, and so much more. Basically rather than taking a hit down in quality of writing, I feel later seasons do it far better.

WOW I have so much to chat but I'm getting sleepy so I'll save the rest of my rant tomorrow.

But does anyone here feel Classic is so overrated and even the weakest part of Sailor Moon's 90s anime? For what reasons do you think so? Honestly I even felt Stars (which I felt was quite a low point despite the fact I think its quite an underrated season) was far more exciting and enjoyable to watch than Classic.


[edited by knm for language]
 

WeirdRaptor

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You DO realize that without Classic, the other seasons wouldn't even exist, right? Also, Naru was in a relationship with Nephrite, not Zoicte. Get your facts right before you criticize.
 
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WeirdRaptor said:
You DO realize that without Classic, the other seasons wouldn't even exist, right? Also, Naru was in a relationship with Nephrite, not Zoicte. Get your facts right before you criticize.
That doesn't change the fact that the firs tinstallment in a series could be incredibly weak and even inc ases where first installment wins, that doens't mean there are major flaws that are corrected by sequels or spinoffs. For example Saint Seiya manga may be the source franchise from which the whole thing started but anyone denying how weak the character development is compared to spinoffs, sequels, and adaptation is obviously blinded by nostalgia. The Hobbit may be the book that launched Tolkien's career, but it is inferior in every possible way to The Lord of the Rings.

And if you read m post, I satted I've been watching Sailor Moon over a course of 5 years. So thats obvious I won't remember every details. Even so, characters spelling has nothing to do with the main topic.

Also Classic isn't even the source of Sailor Moon, its the manga anyway.
 

meekxthree

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I think it's the weakest aside from SuperS. I don't think it's a bad season, not at all, (although it's not my favourite even though it's of my favourite arc) but there are most definitely seasons that are better IMO.
 

WeirdRaptor

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SMFan said:
WeirdRaptor said:
You DO realize that without Classic, the other seasons wouldn't even exist, right? Also, Naru was in a relationship with Nephrite, not Zoicte. Get your facts right before you criticize.
That doesn't change the fact that the firs tinstallment in a series could be incredibly weak and even inc ases where first installment wins, that doens't mean there are major flaws that are corrected by sequels or spinoffs. For example Saint Seiya manga may be the source franchise from which the whole thing started but anyone denying how weak the character development is compared to spinoffs, sequels, and adaptation is obviously blinded by nostalgia. The Hobbit may be the book that launched Tolkien's career, but it is inferior in every possible way to The Lord of the Rings.
Everything you said here is completely subjective.

And if you read m post, I satted I've been watching Sailor Moon over a course of 5 years. So thats obvious I won't remember every details. Even so, characters spelling has nothing to do with the main topic.
Five years is nothing. Try twenty. Also, keeping major characters straight is not asking much.

Also Classic isn't even the source of Sailor Moon, its the manga anyway.
Still does not change the fact that Classic had to grip the hearts of viewers first in order for any of the other seasons to exist. Look, even if you don't like Classic, give due credit.
 

Mamo Two-Face

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I don't really agree with 5-star ratings anyways, but even so, Classic isn't the weakest, not by a long shot IMO. :oh:
 
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Well the only reason Sailor Moon in the beginning didn't get cancelled was because a moonstick toy. My personal opinion its not the weakest season. The weakest ones tio me were Stars,and Super S. But its not the best,but hey personal opinions apply here.
 

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NeoKingEndymion said:
To me, the weakest season is Supers.
Agreed, with R and S being the best in the anime. Classic laid the foundation of the characters and plot for the whole series and accomplished so many great things (its two part final battle was one of SM's best imo) that in absolutely not way could it be the worst season of SM.
 

Mamo Two-Face

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CopeDog87 said:
NeoKingEndymion said:
To me, the weakest season is Supers.
Agreed, with R and S being the best in the anime. Classic laid the foundation of the characters and plot for the whole series and accomplished so many great things (its two part final battle was one of SM's best imo) that in absolutely not way could it be the worst season of SM.
Agree as well. :cookie:
 

WeirdRaptor

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CopeDog87 said:
NeoKingEndymion said:
To me, the weakest season is Supers.
Agreed, with R and S being the best in the anime. Classic laid the foundation of the characters and plot for the whole series and accomplished so many great things (its two part final battle was one of SM's best imo) that in absolutely not way could it be the worst season of SM.
Thirded.
 

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No way, it established the anime as we know it and laid all the ground work for the rest of the 90s series and had the best season finale in my opinion, best fillers (I loved the idea of the rainbow Crystals) and had the most tolerable version of tuxedo kamen and I mean Chiba in that specific form as his civilian self as always I wanted to gibbs smack him, it was fun funny good action I love it
It's one of my top 3 seasons (the others being S and Stars with an addition of the ali en arc )

SuperS and black moon part of R are the weakest in my view R because of the break up (made even stupider by the reason for it's cause as well as it's timing, duration, and way it was handled by cape boy) SuperS because of the chibiusa over focus as well as Needing pegasus to do anything against the enemy when it comes to defeating them in this season ( I almost want to say stars because of too much starlights focus but eh it doesn't bother me as much as R and SuperS, both these seasons (more occasional in S but not as bad) the bickering between chibiusa and usagi which I find very annoying that bit is much more funny/entertaining between usagi and rei )
 

MariaTenebre

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I thought that Classic was a pretty solid season myself sure it wasn't perfect but over all it was very intense and plot driven. In my opinion probably the weakest season would be SuperS for reasons I believe everyone knows.
 

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MariaTenebre said:
I thought that Classic was a pretty solid season myself sure it wasn't perfect but over all it was very intense and plot driven. In my opinion probably the weakest season would be SuperS for reasons I believe everyone knows.
What, you don't like hot underaged girl on horse steaminess?
 
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It's been a while since I've watched Classic, but it does feel like one of the longest, most drawn-out seasons. There were so many subplots, and I never particularly cared for the "rainbow crystal" saga.

That's not to say that it's my least favorite seasons. I can definitely appreciate the way plot became more intense after the big Moon Princess reveal, especially with the two-part finale.
 

MariaTenebre

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Well actually WeirdRaptor Chibiusa and Helios were both around the same age. However I loved Chibiusa and Helios's romance. That was not one of the flaws of that season there were many other problems that made it my least favorite season.