Eternal Is A Byproduct Of Trying To Please Everyone

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However, I got into Dragon Ball in the first place because of Fighterz, a game I'm not even sure would have existed if not for Super and the franchise's revival as a whole.
Actually it was a fan made Mugen game that gave birth to Dragon Ball Fighter Z. ^_^'
This game motivated a Bandai Namco executive to finally make a quality fighting game after so many years of mediocrity.




For all it's flaws Super brought a lot of new things to the franchise that are popular (Zamasu and Goku Black, Hit, the Universe 6 Saiyans, Ultra Instinct, and the canon Broly for instance), and more new fans along with it. Super can be a mess but, it's a guilty pleasure for me, I really enjoy a lot of it and what it brings to the table, even if as a whole it doesn't match the original or Z. Honestly I'd much rather a series try some things that are new and fail then rely on rehashing old content till the end of time.
I enjoyed it too but I just watched it on Youtube. XD I love the final fight with Frieza and Android 17 against Jiren.
 
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Actually it was a fan made Mugen game that gave birth to Dragon Ball Fighter Z. ^_^'
This game motivated a Bandai Namco executive to finally make a quality fighting game after so many years of mediocrity.
Ooh! I never actually knew that that's awesome! ^-^ And oh yeah i love that fight too it's SO cool lol ^^
 
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If it really was an attempt to please everyone it wouldn't stick to the manga so hard. The 90's designs are really nice and the fact that Tadano made them makes it feel more authentic, but it's still ultimately a superficial touch that doesn't affect the story or characters.
 
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For once the 90s fans could be a bit more considered. You have the 90s show, all 200 episodes. The manga fans got Crystal. Wouldn't it be unfair to give us, the manga fans 3 season of close manga adaptation, only to drop the ball during the arc that has been adapted least faithfully in the past... I think they already strayed enough by making the designs closer to the 90s. They look good and all, but we already lost some of the manga feel with it.
Personally, I agree.

I am a manga fan. I want a faithful manga adaptation.

These are, again, my own personal thoughts & I am expressing how I feel as an individual—my thoughts do not reflect those of the fandom.
 
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Personally, I agree.

I am a manga fan. I want a faithful manga adaptation.

These are, again, my own personal thoughts & I am expressing how I feel as an individual—my thoughts do not reflect those of the fandom.
I'm a manga fan too, you can tell by the image I use for my avatar. It's from the Original Picture Collection Vol. 1. I'm glad we finally have a more direct adaptation of the "Dream" in animated form. I hope we get "Stars" soon.
 
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I am expressing my feelings only, but, personally, I don’t know what else fans from the 90’s anime could possibly wish for. :?

The art of Eternal is now aesthetically closer to that of the 90’s anime, or is it not?

Or do people want an actual remake of Super? To me, that sounds redundant.

Respectfully, I would love to know what the Sailor Moon fandom actually wants.
 

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I think even if people don’t like the new story it’ll obviously still have its fans, just like any sequel. Naoko seems happy ending it at Stars so maybe that will be it, who knows. I just wish the ending of Stars was more fleshed out. It could’ve done with an extra chapter or two after the wedding to wrap everything up. These are things that Crystal/ Eternal could do but probably won’t.. The fates of the cats, Usagi’s family at the wedding, etc.
 
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My personal impression is that Eternal delivered the best animation it could possibly deliver.

This is TOEI we’re talking about and I think TOEI is known for being cheap.
The animation isnt HORRIBLE, from what ive seen it looks good enough but the best it could deliver? Nah. They appeared to turn the brightness up to 10 so they could hold off on putting more detail. From what I hear, Jupiter and Venus's attacks are lackluster when it should be WOW! POP! BAM!

But that is Sailor Moon and something to be accepted for the time being. It is a step up from where we started on this journey so that is always a plus.
 
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I have heard that TOEI no longer has the reputation it did in the past, and I witnessed this when Crystal aired back in 2014, the unfinished episodes, but in my opinion Eternal truly looks like the best that TOEI can deliver in terms of animation—and I am happy with it.

Now, if fans want a different studio to produce Sailor Moon, that’s understandable—but I suspect TOEI is the only studio that can produce a Sailor Moon anime due to undisclosed legal agreements we know nothing about. I suspect that Naoko can’t take Sailor Moon to a different studio—and that’s speculation from my part, of course.
 

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If it really was an attempt to please everyone it wouldn't stick to the manga so hard. The 90's designs are really nice and the fact that Tadano made them makes it feel more authentic, but it's still ultimately a superficial touch that doesn't affect the story or characters.
Another problem is the henshin stock footages are still 90's even with some changes. But that has been a problem since season 1.

Not sure why they're stuck with the same choreography and I've seen great fan animations better than Eternal. Much much better than Eternal



So yeah, I'm expecting the same henshin choreography with some minor differences if Stars is already in production. :unsure:
 

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I don't know, apart from Zamasu and Hit, I didn't think any of the innovations that Super brought along were really good. Ultra Instinct in particular is nothing more than a relabeled Super Saiyan because once again TOEI didn't know how to end a story without pulling a new transformation out of their ass.
 
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I think the main problem of Crystal was the dough and they still haven‘t found the right ingredients and preparation. The best pizza may be a simple margherita if the dough is made right.

Crysternal has a some delicious and enjoyable toppings, but that doesn‘t make it a great pizza. But since I love pizza a lot, I‘ll eat it. Would I recommend it? No.
 
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Would I recommend it? No.
Ouch. :lol:

I'm really hoping the international market will save the :usagi: franchise with that Netflix deal.

But then again we'll just get another Crystal reboot after Stars. XD
 
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I don't know, apart from Zamasu and Hit, I didn't think any of the innovations that Super brought along were really good. Ultra Instinct in particular is nothing more than a relabeled Super Saiyan because once again TOEI didn't know how to end a story without pulling a new transformation out of their ass.
Haven't watched the latest Super Dragon Ball Heroes but did Super Saiyan God Gogeta achieve Ultrainstinct? ^_^'
 
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Not sure why they're stuck with the same choreography and I've seen great fan animations better than Eternal. Much much better than Eternal
They created a brand new transformation for Sailor Moon in Crystal and many people complained (I still remember some of the complaints), even though the transformation was fine in my personal opinion. :?
 
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Another problem is the henshin stock footages are still 90's even with some changes. But that has been a problem since season 1.

Not sure why they're stuck with the same choreography and I've seen great fan animations better than Eternal. Much much better than Eternal



So yeah, I'm expecting the same henshin choreography with some minor differences if Stars is already in production. :unsure:
I dunno, that Venus and the end of Jupiter's is clearly traced over something.