Ginzuishou's Colour

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Shadow

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DoseiNoSenshi and I were having a debate about the Silver Crystal's colour. I'm interested to hear what you guys think.

In episode 34, we see the ginzuishou form from Usagi's teardrop as a silver sphere. From then until episode 46, we see Usagi use it on the Moon Stick for her Moon Healing Escalation power. During these sequences, it emits pink light. In episode 46, Usagi drops the Moon Stick (with the ginzuishou attached to it) into the expanding energy bubble created by the ginzuishou. This bubble is pink.

In episode 51, Queen Serenity appears in Usagi's mind and returns the ginzuishou to her. It appears in her new brooch and retains its silver, spherical shape. When Usagi cries "Moon Crystal Power, Make Up!", the ginzuishou flashes a pink colour three times.

In the R movie, Sailormoon opens her brooch and an aura of white energy surrounds the ginzuishou. The Senshi cry for her to stop, as they fear she'll use all of the ginzuishou's power and die. When Fiore disappears, the ginzuishou takes on a rose shape and Usagi removes it from her brooch, transforming her into Princess Serenity. Serenity begins to use the crystal's power (apparently to its full extent, since it shatters and she dies when she's finished saving the Earth.) When she is revived at the end of the movie, the ginzuishou appears once again it her brooch as a silver sphere.

In episode 91, when the Spiral Moon Heart Rod appears, Usagi's brooch changes into a heart-shape and the ginzuishou now appears to be a large, heart-shaped, pink crystal that flashes (pink) twice when she cries "Moon Cosmic Power, Make Up!"

In the S movie, when Usagi removes the crystal from her brooch, it flashes pink (while in the brooch), appears between her hands (still pink) and quickly becomes silver. When the senshi form a circle around her, the ginzuishou begins to glow white. When the senshi cry "Silver Crystal Power" more white energy is released and used to defeat Snow Princess Kaguya.

When Usagi obtains her Moon Crisis brooch in episode 130, the ginzuishou returns to its spherical shape but continues to appear pink. It flashes twice when Usagi (and Chibiusa) cry "Moon Crisis! Make Up!"

In the SuperS movie, the crystal appears pink and flashes white when she is being burned in the Black Dream Hole. After the senshi provide her with their power, the crystal flashes white and transfers white coloured energy to Chibiusa's crystal.

In episode 168, the Senshi join their powers to upgrade Super Sailormoon's brooch. Eternal Sailor Moon's brooch has a pink, star-shaped crystal inside it. When Usagi shouts "Moon Eternal! Make Up!" the crystal lights up pink and releases three "waves" of pink energy.

In episode 193, Sailor Lead Crow forces Usagi's starseed (the ginzuishou) out of her body in an attempt to steal it. The ginzuishou appears above Usagi's forehead (in the rose shape from the R movie) and flashes pink and silver until it settles on silver. Usagi is then sucked into the black hole before ChibiChibi destroys it. While Usagi floats towards the ground, the silver crystal fades into her body.

In episode 199, Eternal Sailor Moon opens her brooch and the ginzuishou shines a white aura surrounds the ginzuishou. Sailors Star Healer and Maker comment that her star seed is trying to release its energy. Sailor Galaxia manages to obtain the ginzuishou (in its silver, rose shape) and it glows white when it appears in her hand. The ginzuishou continues to emit rays of white light before Galaxia clenches her fist and a shattering sound is heard.

In episode 200, however, after ChibiChibi is praying, the ginzuishou (in its complete, silver, rose-shape) returns to Usagi's body. Later in episode 200, the ginzuishou re-appears on Usagi's chest before she heals Galaxia. It emits many "waves" and rays of white light.


Anyway, I'm trying to figure out whether or not the ginzuishou actually changes colour depending on whether it's in Usagi's brooch or not. My theory is that the ginzuishou is constantly emitting energy, but the colour is dependant on how much energy is being used.

● The ginzuishou is Usagi's starseed and her ability to live is dependant on it. Therefore, she is constantly drawing power from the ginzuishou. This causes the ginzuishou to emit energy, and most of the time, that energy appears as a pink light that illuminates the ginzuishou when it is in her brooch.

● When Usagi transforms, she uses more of the ginzuishou's power than when she uses it simply to survive. Therefore, it flashes pink and emits "waves" of pink energy.

● When Usagi uses more of the ginzuishou's power than what is necessary to live or to transform, it emits a white (or silver) energy. Such instances are in the R movie, the S movie, the SuperS movie, and SailorStars.

There are a few instances, however, when Usagi uses the "ginzuishou's full power" and the energy being emitted is still pink. Episode 46 and episode 88 are two examples of this. It is possible that in episode 46, Usagi used as much of the ginzuishou's power as she <i>could</i>, which was not actually all of it. This could explain why the energy being released was pink and not white. I do not know how to explain episode 88, however, since by this point in time, Usagi has used the ginzuishou's full power (R movie) and the energy in episode 88 is still pink. Another example is that in the first season and R, the ginzuishou is always silver. Theoretically, it should emit a pink light if Usagi is constantly using its power as a lifesource.

Anyway, that's my theory. The ginzuishou does not actually change colour, but appears to change colour depending on how much energy is being used.

I'm interested to see what everyone else thinks. :3
 

Guardian4

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You seemed to have put a lot of time, energy, and research into this subject. :lol: Congrats, I don't have the resources nor discipline to do that. :? As for your question as to what I think: I don't have a clue. I never really questioned it, though your hypothesis seems to be a sound one from what I can tell.
 

Shadow

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Guardian4 said:
You seemed to have put a lot of time, energy, and research into this subject. :lol: Congrats, I don't have the resources nor discipline to do that. :? As for your question as to what I think: I don't have a clue. I never really questioned it, though your hypothesis seems to be a sound one from what I can tell.
Heh, I always thought the ginzuishou was rather fascinating. And ever since I saw the Moon Stick toy from Bandai at Kmart oh-so-many-years-ago, I've just been puzzled as to why the hell its ginzuishou was pink.

And in all subsequent Moon Stick toys (even the really nice Sailormoon World one), the ginzuishou has remained pink. Meh.
 

TuxedoStarr

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Sep 27, 2003
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That bugged me, too, how the Ginzuishou always changed color. In the R movie, the pink light with the silver coloring of the crystal made me twitch, it looks so bad. My theory is that...

...pink is easier to animate than white/silver.

And that pink is probably more appealing to little girls and that's who much of the merchandise was aimed at. Hell, all of it.

I'm guessing that pink is mainly used when Usagi is being a soldier, and when she's being a princess slash using her full power, it's silver, the color of her lineage. Or something.
 
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Shadow said:
In episode 34, we see the ginzuishou form from Usagi's teardrop as a silver sphere.
I would think it important to note that the background at that moment was pink which seemed to be like a light.

Shadow said:
From then until episode 46, we see Usagi use it on the Moon Stick for her Moon Healing Escalation power. During these sequences, it emits pink light.
At the end of the sequence, it emited white balls of light of which went into the youma and cured/changed it.

Shadow said:
In episode 51, Queen Serenity appears in Usagi's mind and returns the ginzuishou to her. It appears in her new brooch...
It was then a compact and no longer a brooch.

Shadow said:
...and retains its silver, spherical shape. When Usagi cries "Moon Crystal Power, Make Up!", the ginzuishou flashes a pink colour three times.
The Phantom Silver Crystal as remained in the hands and workings of those from the Moon Kingdom. The crystal came from Sailor Moon's tear. She is Princess serenity from and of the Moon Kingdom. The Moon Stick was given to Sailor Moon from Luna and was seen being used initially by Queen Serenity. Both Luna and Queen Serenity are from and of the Moon Kingdom in this continuity. Queen Serenity is the one who alters the brooch Usagi was given into the Crystal Star. My claim here is that the crystal stays a silver color because its power is not being altered outside the Moon Family.

Shadow said:
In the R movie, Sailormoon opens her brooch...
Compact.

Shadow said:
...and an aura of white energy surrounds the ginzuishou. The Senshi cry for her to stop, as they fear she'll use all of the ginzuishou's power and die. When Fiore disappears, the ginzuishou takes on a rose shape and Usagi removes it from her brooch,...
Compact!

Shadow said:
...transforming her into Princess Serenity. Serenity begins to use the crystal's power (apparently to its full extent, since it shatters and she dies when she's finished saving the Earth.) When she is revived at the end of the movie, the ginzuishou appears once again it her brooch as a silver sphere.
Compact, darling.

Shadow said:
In episode 91, when the Spiral Moon Heart Rod appears, Usagi's brooch changes into a heart-shape...
Compact.

Shadow said:
...and the ginzuishou now appears to be a large, heart-shaped, pink crystal that flashes (pink) twice when she cries "Moon Cosmic Power, Make Up!"
Note the changed variable here: Someone not from the Moon Kingdom had something to do with the crystal's change. Tuxedo Mask and Usagi's love is what caused the Crystal Star to change into the Cosmic Moon Compact, which is a heart-shape to show their love. The crystal's new shape also depicts this.

I believe that because someone from the Golden Kingdom interfered in the shifting of the crystal, it turned out pink. One can see that when children are produced between Earth and Moon, they have pink hair and motifs.

Shadow said:
In the S movie, when Usagi removes the crystal from her brooch, it flashes pink (while in the brooch),...
The object is a compact.

Shadow said:
...appears between her hands (still pink) and quickly becomes silver.
It seemed to have faded to a silver. Maybe it just shifted color.

Shadow said:
When the senshi form a circle around her, the ginzuishou begins to glow white. When the senshi cry "Silver Crystal Power" more white energy is released and used to defeat Snow Princess Kaguya.
Notice that in both the R and S movies, energy was used from more Sailor Soldiers than just Sailor Moon. However, in the R movie, the crystal used white energy before others put their energy into it.

Shadow said:
When Usagi obtains her Moon Crisis brooch...
Honey child, don't be afraid to use the word "compact".

Shadow said:
...in episode 130, the ginzuishou returns to its spherical shape but continues to appear pink. It flashes twice when Usagi (and Chibiusa) cry "Moon Crisis! Make Up!"
Again, someone from the Golden Kingdom interfered in the crystal's alteration. Helios, the one who interfered, is from Elysion. The Golden Kingdom was in Elysion.

Shadow said:
In the SuperS movie, the crystal appears pink and flashes white when she is being burned in the Black Dream Hole. After the senshi provide her with their power, the crystal flashes white and transfers white coloured energy to Chibiusa's crystal.
Again, the other Sailor Soldiers provided her their energy. However, another instance where the crystal shone white before they provided her with energy.

Shadow said:
In episode 168, the Senshi join their powers to upgrade Super Sailormoon's brooch.
Compact.

Shadow said:
Eternal Sailor Moon's brooch...
It's still a compact.

Shadow said:
...has a pink, star-shaped crystal inside it. When Usagi shouts "Moon Eternal! Make Up!" the crystal lights up pink and releases three "waves" of pink energy.
This time people from other worlds interfered in the crystal's change. Perhaps the change in color is not limited to those from the Golden Kingdom.

Although, ultimately, Chibi Moon provides energy to Sailor Moon to become Eternal Sailor Moon. Her tiara shone in the sixth episode of Sailor Stars along with the other Sailor Soldiers' tiaras. However, she was there every time the Crisis Moon Compact became the Eternal Article. However again, she is not from the Golden Kingdom. She is from the future kingdom of Crystal Tokyo.

Shadow said:
In episode 193, Sailor Lead Crow forces Usagi's starseed (the ginzuishou) out of her body in an attempt to steal it. The ginzuishou appears above Usagi's forehead (in the rose shape from the R movie) and flashes pink and silver until it settles on silver. Usagi is then sucked into the black hole before ChibiChibi destroys it. While Usagi floats towards the ground, the silver crystal fades into her body.
The Phantom Silver Crystal is in a flower shape because as seen throughout the season, Star Seeds appear from flowers. The flower holding Usagi's Star Seed could be a part of the Star Seed itself.

The crystal was in a flower shape in the R movie because of the movie's theme. You would also notice that the crystal was in a flower shape in the manga in the Dark Kingdom arc of the story. That was long before the R movie would have taken place in that continuity, if it had occured.

Shadow said:
In episode 199, Eternal Sailor Moon opens her brooch...
Com - pact.

Shadow said:
...and the ginzuishou shines a white aura surrounds the ginzuishou. Sailors Star Healer and Maker comment that her star seed is trying to release its energy.
At this point, the compact wasn't open. The crystal's energy was shining through the casing.

Shadow said:
Sailor Galaxia manages to obtain the ginzuishou (in its silver, rose shape) and it glows white when it appears in her hand. The ginzuishou continues to emit rays of white light before Galaxia clenches her fist and a shattering sound is heard.
At this point, the crystal is releasing white energy because it is out of Sailor Moon's (compact's) control, so it's energy release might be a pour.

I wonder what that shattering noise was. Is Galaxia stupid enough to break the crystal or was she trying to do that in order to kill Saior Moon?

Shadow said:
In episode 200, however, after ChibiChibi is praying, the ginzuishou (in its complete, silver, rose-shape) returns to Usagi's body. Later in episode 200, the ginzuishou re-appears on Usagi's chest before she heals Galaxia. It emits many "waves" and rays of white light.
Didn't Galaxia comment that Usagi was trying to illuminate the entire galaxy? Wouldn't a great deal of energy output be need for that? Perhaps the idea that the more energy being used determines the color of light the crystal produces is right.

Shadow said:
Anyway, I'm trying to figure out whether or not the ginzuishou actually changes colour depending on whether it's in Usagi's brooch or not.
First of all, the crystal is never in a brooch, it is always in a compact. Why are you assuming that it doesn't change color at all?

Shadow said:
My theory is that the ginzuishou is constantly emitting energy, but the colour is dependant on how much energy is being used.
Are you saying that when the crystal is hidden in a compact and used for transforming it is at a low-energy output making it pink? Then why is it still silver in color inside the Crystal Star?

Shadow said:
● The ginzuishou is Usagi's starseed and her ability to live is dependant on it. Therefore, she is constantly drawing power from the ginzuishou. This causes the ginzuishou to emit energy, and most of the time, that energy appears as a pink light that illuminates the ginzuishou when it is in her brooch.
Why only most of the time? Why isn't it doing this before it is in the Cosmic Moon Compact?

I still think its color, while in a compact, depends upon who helped the compact change.

Shadow said:
● When Usagi transforms, she uses more of the ginzuishou's power than when she uses it simply to survive. Therefore, it flashes pink and emits "waves" of pink energy.
Then is it not flashing any light of pink when it is in the compacts proceeding the Crystal Star?

Shadow said:
● When Usagi uses more of the ginzuishou's power than what is necessary to live or to transform, it emits a white (or silver) energy. Such instances are in the R movie, the S movie, the SuperS movie, and SailorStars.
Why isn't this shown in the first season, then? Perhaps this point is correct, but the color of the light emited in the first season depends upon the crystal's storage. This is the only time it is not in a compact.

Shadow said:
There are a few instances, however, when Usagi uses the "ginzuishou's full power" and the energy being emitted is still pink. Episode 46 and episode 88 are two examples of this.
In the final battle with the Death Fantom, the aura around Usagi was pink, but the light from the crystal was white. Perhaps because she was in the form of Neo-Queen Serenity, who stores the crystal outside of a compact, is why both colors were there.

When Chibi-Usa finds the Phantom Silver Crystal from the future within herself, it emits a white color. Chibi-Usa nor Neo-Queen Serenity store the crystal inside a compact. However, later the crystals together emit a pink energy when the Four Guardian Dieties give them their energy.

Shadow said:
It is possible that in episode 46, Usagi used as much of the ginzuishou's power as she could, which was not actually all of it. This could explain why the energy being released was pink and not white. I do not know how to explain episode 88, however, since by this point in time, Usagi has used the ginzuishou's full power (R movie) and the energy in episode 88 is still pink.
The aura is pink, not necessarily the energy being released. The idea of her using as much energy as she could is possible, since the light was white in episode 88. The problem is why was the future crystal giving off white energy with Chibi-Usa? Perhaps it is because it's not yet her crystal and Neo-Queen Serenity's power was still in it.

Shadow said:
Another example is that in the first season and R, the ginzuishou is always silver. Theoretically, it should emit a pink light if Usagi is constantly using its power as a lifesource.
Accroding to your theory. According to my theory, it is perfectly fine for it to still be silver in color.

Shadow said:
Anyway, that's my theory. The ginzuishou does not actually change colour, but appears to change colour depending on how much energy is being used.
You didn't say it here, but in our arguement, you said it appeared pink because it was letting off a small amount of light.

My theory is that the Phantom Silver Crystal changes to a pink color when people not of Moon blood have something to do with the change of the crystal's form. The color emited by the crystal has to do tih how much experience its owner has: the more experience, the more white it has. The amount of extra energy the crystal or user has (i.e.: from the other Sailor Soldiers) may make it whiter.

Shadow said:
I'm interested to see what everyone else thinks. :3
I want to know what Antie thinks!
 

Shadow

Lapis Lunaris
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DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
In episode 51, Queen Serenity appears in Usagi's mind and returns the ginzuishou to her. It appears in her new brooch...
It was then a compact and no longer a brooch.
I'm not going to respond to every "Compact." response that you made, but that's really being rather anal. You get my point, and, technically, a compact traditionally contains a mirror and make-up. Usagi's brooches contain neither. A brooch is defined as a clasp or pin. Usagi pins her brooches to her school uniform/fuku's bow.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
...and retains its silver, spherical shape. When Usagi cries "Moon Crystal Power, Make Up!", the ginzuishou flashes a pink colour three times.
The Phantom Silver Crystal as remained in the hands and workings of those from the Moon Kingdom. The crystal came from Sailor Moon's tear. She is Princess serenity from and of the Moon Kingdom. The Moon Stick was given to Sailor Moon from Luna and was seen being used initially by Queen Serenity. Both Luna and Queen Serenity are from and of the Moon Kingdom in this continuity. Queen Serenity is the one who alters the brooch Usagi was given into the Crystal Star. My claim here is that the crystal stays a silver color because its power is not being altered outside the Moon Family.

Shadow said:
...and the ginzuishou now appears to be a large, heart-shaped, pink crystal that flashes (pink) twice when she cries "Moon Cosmic Power, Make Up!"
Note the changed variable here: Someone not from the Moon Kingdom had something to do with the crystal's change. Tuxedo Mask and Usagi's love is what caused the Crystal Star to change into the Cosmic Moon Compact, which is a heart-shape to show their love. The crystal's new shape also depicts this.

I believe that because someone from the Golden Kingdom interfered in the shifting of the crystal, it turned out pink. One can see that when children are produced between Earth and Moon, they have pink hair and motifs.
Neither Usagi or Chibiusa have "Moon Blood." Usagi was re-born on Earth (twice!) and is 100% human. Her power most likely comes from the ginzuishou which has resided within her since she was re-born on Earth. (At least, part of it has.)

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
...appears between her hands (still pink) and quickly becomes silver.
It seemed to have faded to a silver. Maybe it just shifted color.
You could say "fade." But only because silver is lighter than pink is.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
When the senshi form a circle around her, the ginzuishou begins to glow white. When the senshi cry "Silver Crystal Power" more white energy is released and used to defeat Snow Princess Kaguya.
Notice that in both the R and S movies, energy was used from more Sailor Soldiers than just Sailor Moon. However, in the R movie, the crystal used white energy before others put their energy into it.
It doesn't really emit any energy before the senshi gather around her. It just has a silver-y aura that was present when she removed it from her brooch. It doesn't begin to glow white and emit white energy until all of the senshi join hands.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
...in episode 130, the ginzuishou returns to its spherical shape but continues to appear pink. It flashes twice when Usagi (and Chibiusa) cry "Moon Crisis! Make Up!"
Again, someone from the Golden Kingdom interfered in the crystal's alteration. Helios, the one who interfered, is from Elysion. The Golden Kingdom was in Elysion.
The crystal still appears to be pink. Only its shape changes, as it often does throughout the series. There is no reason to assume Helios changed the crystal's colour, because the crystal appears to be the same colour (whether that's silver and emitting pink energy/light or actually pink) did not change from when it was in her cosmic brooch.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
In the SuperS movie, the crystal appears pink and flashes white when she is being burned in the Black Dream Hole. After the senshi provide her with their power, the crystal flashes white and transfers white coloured energy to Chibiusa's crystal.
Again, the other Sailor Soldiers provided her their energy. However, another instance where the crystal shone white before they provided her with energy.
It flashed white

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
...has a pink, star-shaped crystal inside it. When Usagi shouts "Moon Eternal! Make Up!" the crystal lights up pink and releases three "waves" of pink energy.
This time people from other worlds interfered in the crystal's change. Perhaps the change in color is not limited to those from the Golden Kingdom.
"Other worlds?" Only the Sailor Soldiers of the Solar System are present in this scene.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Although, ultimately, Chibi Moon provides energy to Sailor Moon to become Eternal Sailor Moon. Her tiara shone in the sixth episode of Sailor Stars along with the other Sailor Soldiers' tiaras. However, she was there every time the Crisis Moon Compact became the Eternal Article. However again, she is not from the Golden Kingdom. She is from the future kingdom of Crystal Tokyo.
So perhaps Chibi Moon's extra energy was what helped to change the Crisis brooch into the Eternal brooch permenantly? How is this relevant?

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
In episode 193, Sailor Lead Crow forces Usagi's starseed (the ginzuishou) out of her body in an attempt to steal it. The ginzuishou appears above Usagi's forehead (in the rose shape from the R movie) and flashes pink and silver until it settles on silver. Usagi is then sucked into the black hole before ChibiChibi destroys it. While Usagi floats towards the ground, the silver crystal fades into her body.
The Phantom Silver Crystal is in a flower shape because as seen throughout the season, Star Seeds appear from flowers. The flower holding Usagi's Star Seed could be a part of the Star Seed itself.
The crystal was in a flower shape in the R movie because of the movie's theme. You would also notice that the crystal was in a flower shape in the manga in the Dark Kingdom arc of the story. That was long before the R movie would have taken place in that continuity, if it had occured.[/quote]

I still don't see how this is relevant.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
...and the ginzuishou shines a white aura surrounds the ginzuishou. Sailors Star Healer and Maker comment that her star seed is trying to release its energy.
At this point, the compact wasn't open. The crystal's energy was shining through the casing.
This is relevant... why?

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
Sailor Galaxia manages to obtain the ginzuishou (in its silver, rose shape) and it glows white when it appears in her hand. The ginzuishou continues to emit rays of white light before Galaxia clenches her fist and a shattering sound is heard.
At this point, the crystal is releasing white energy because it is out of Sailor Moon's (compact's) control, so it's energy release might be a pour.

I wonder what that shattering noise was. Is Galaxia stupid enough to break the crystal or was she trying to do that in order to kill Saior Moon?
It is probably emitting white energy because, as Taiki and Yaten said, it was trying to release its energy. Either to heal Galaxia, or "illuminate the galaxy." Both seem to require a large amount of energy, which would explain the energy's white colour.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
In episode 200, however, after ChibiChibi is praying, the ginzuishou (in its complete, silver, rose-shape) returns to Usagi's body. Later in episode 200, the ginzuishou re-appears on Usagi's chest before she heals Galaxia. It emits many "waves" and rays of white light.
Didn't Galaxia comment that Usagi was trying to illuminate the entire galaxy? Wouldn't a great deal of energy output be need for that? Perhaps the idea that the more energy being used determines the color of light the crystal produces is right.
Exactly.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
Anyway, I'm trying to figure out whether or not the ginzuishou actually changes colour depending on whether it's in Usagi's brooch or not.
First of all, the crystal is never in a brooch, it is always in a compact. Why are you assuming that it doesn't change color at all?
Because it's the <i>Silver</i> Crystal. I see no reason for it to need to change colour. I suppose it's possible, but I like the idea of it being silver more.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
My theory is that the ginzuishou is constantly emitting energy, but the colour is dependant on how much energy is being used.
Are you saying that when the crystal is hidden in a compact and used for transforming it is at a low-energy output making it pink? Then why is it still silver in color inside the Crystal Star?
I already said I couldn't explain that.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
● The ginzuishou is Usagi's starseed and her ability to live is dependant on it. Therefore, she is constantly drawing power from the ginzuishou. This causes the ginzuishou to emit energy, and most of the time, that energy appears as a pink light that illuminates the ginzuishou when it is in her brooch.
Why only most of the time? Why isn't it doing this before it is in the Cosmic Moon Compact?
It might not be doing this in the first season because, perhaps the Ginzuishou does not become Usagi's starseed until after she dies in episode 46. I cannot explain why it does not constantly emit pink light in R, though.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
I still think its color, while in a compact, depends upon who helped the compact change.
Earth humans are always the ones who help to change the brooch. Only in R, when Queen Serenity's spirit returns the ginzuishou to Usagi, is a non-human involved. Even then, Usagi, Luna, and Serenity are in Usagi's mind. If the ginzuishou became her starseed when she was reborn in episode 46, it's possible that Usagi was involved in changing her brooch as well.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
● When Usagi transforms, she uses more of the ginzuishou's power than when she uses it simply to survive. Therefore, it flashes pink and emits "waves" of pink energy.
Then is it not flashing any light of pink when it is in the compacts proceeding the Crystal Star?
What? Yes, it flashes pink in all of the brooches after the "Crystal Star." It is not housed in her first season brooch, and it may not have become her starseed until episode 46, so there is no reason for it to flash pink unless she's using it. (Moon Healing Escalation, etc.,)

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
● When Usagi uses more of the ginzuishou's power than what is necessary to live or to transform, it emits a white (or silver) energy. Such instances are in the R movie, the S movie, the SuperS movie, and SailorStars.
Why isn't this shown in the first season, then? Perhaps this point is correct, but the color of the light emited in the first season depends upon the crystal's storage. This is the only time it is not in a compact.
My theory is that the colour of the light emitted is dependant on how much of the crystal's energy is being used. It does not constantly glow pink in the first season because it is not yet her starseed until episode 46. It flashes pink, and not white, when Usagi uses it in the first season because she is not strong enough to use enough power to get white energy until the R movie. (Queen Beryl even states that she is "not a full-fledged Princess.")

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
It is possible that in episode 46, Usagi used as much of the ginzuishou's power as she could, which was not actually all of it. This could explain why the energy being released was pink and not white. I do not know how to explain episode 88, however, since by this point in time, Usagi has used the ginzuishou's full power (R movie) and the energy in episode 88 is still pink.
The aura is pink, not necessarily the energy being released. The idea of her using as much energy as she could is possible, since the light was white in episode 88. The problem is why was the future crystal giving off white energy with Chibi-Usa? Perhaps it is because it's not yet her crystal and Neo-Queen Serenity's power was still in it.
Um, well, that supported my theory further. So okay... As for the episode 46 comment, Usagi uses the crystal's energy to form a bubble around her. The bubble expands (when the Senshi's spirits help her) and destroys Queen Beryl. Said bubble is pink. The bubble is most likely made of, OMG NO WAY, energy.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
Another example is that in the first season and R, the ginzuishou is always silver. Theoretically, it should emit a pink light if Usagi is constantly using its power as a lifesource.
Accroding to your theory. According to my theory, it is perfectly fine for it to still be silver in color.
That was compelling.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
Anyway, that's my theory. The ginzuishou does not actually change colour, but appears to change colour depending on how much energy is being used.
You didn't say it here, but in our arguement, you said it appeared pink because it was letting off a small amount of light.
I thought I did say that. It appears pink because it's constantly emitting enough energy to keep Usagi alive. Because it's only a little energy, it is pink in colour and causes the crystal to also appear pink.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
My theory is that the Phantom Silver Crystal changes to a pink color when people not of Moon blood have something to do with the change of the crystal's form. The color emited by the crystal has to do tih how much experience its owner has: the more experience, the more white it has. The amount of extra energy the crystal or user has (i.e.: from the other Sailor Soldiers) may make it whiter.
Only Earth humans have affected the ginzuishou or helped to focus its power. Your statement that the colour of the energy emitted is relevant to how much energy is being used coincides with my theory.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
I'm interested to see what everyone else thinks. :3
I want to know what Antie thinks!
I'm rather interested in that, too.
 

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DoseiNoSensei said:
Locket.

Broach.

:lol:

Does it really matter? Wait...no one answer that.

Yeesh, we go through a lot in this forum, don't we? Goodness. Next we'll have to determine what shade of blue Mercury's is as compared to StarFighter's. On that note, why does Fighter have red as her color when it's obviously blue in the manga and only switches at the end?

As for the Ginzuishou--it emits yellow light, too. For Healing Escalation, Starlight Honeymoon Therapy Kiss, and when she goes after Galaxia in either 198 or 199.

Y'know, I think the colors just represent her different elements. Moonlight is silver/white, color of the spirit/happiness could be yellow (and sometimes the moon is reddish) and she has a lot of "heart" attacks. Can you imagine a silver heart smashing into the opponent in Super? That'd look kinda funky, wouldn't it? I think the different colors are for contrast mainly, so we don't have too much white spiralling around. Or power shifts, like in the R movie.
 
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DoseiNoSenshi said:
I want to know what Antie thinks!
I really do not have much to say about this subject, actually. It looks you two have studied the properties of the crystal more than I have.

Re: Brooch versus Compact...

The items that Sailor Moon wears in the first two series of the anime are called brooches. The item that she wears in S is referred to as a brooch and a compact. Her item in SuperS is called a compact. I do not remember whether they refer to the Eternal Moon Article as a brooch or a compact. Perhaps all of those items could be referred to as brooches.
 

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Well from what you say and watching the show I figure the gem itself is just a normal clearish colour (silver if you would) but it's energy can irradiate pink or white.

Something to keep in mind is that the silver crystal is formed from the rainbow crystals and a rainbow is basically a breakdown of white light. Mix light of all colours together and you get white. It's like that trick where you make a wheel with all the colours on it and spin it. They make tops based on this concept.
 
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Antie said:
I really do not have much to say about this subject, actually. It looks you two have studied the properties of the crystal more than I have.
I can just imagine Ian sitting at his computer with those swirly anime eyes while he reads this.

TuxedoStarr said:
As for the Ginzuishou--it emits yellow light, too. For Healing Escalation, Starlight Honeymoon Therapy Kiss, and when she goes after Galaxia in either 198 or 199.
The yellow light was actually used in "Silver Moon! Crystal Power Kiss!!"

Shadow said:
Neither Usagi or Chibiusa have "Moon Blood." Usagi was re-born on Earth (twice!) and is 100% human. Her power most likely comes from the ginzuishou which has resided within her since she was re-born on Earth. (At least, part of it has.)
I didn't really mean blood so literally. Allow me to rephrase: souls from the Moon Kingdom. You should really pick up on what I mean if you use "you know what I mean" so much yourself.

Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
When the senshi form a circle around her, the ginzuishou begins to glow white. When the senshi cry "Silver Crystal Power" more white energy is released and used to defeat Snow Princess Kaguya.
Notice that in both the R and S movies, energy was used from more Sailor Soldiers than just Sailor Moon. However, in the R movie, the crystal used white energy before others put their energy into it.
It doesn't really emit any energy before the senshi gather around her. It just has a silver-y aura that was present when she removed it from her brooch. It doesn't begin to glow white and emit white energy until all of the senshi join hands.
Are we talking about the same movie? In the R movie, the beams of white light began surrounding the asteroid before the Four Guadian Diety Soldiers sent their power into the crystal.

Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
...in episode 130, the ginzuishou returns to its spherical shape but continues to appear pink. It flashes twice when Usagi (and Chibiusa) cry "Moon Crisis! Make Up!"
Again, someone from the Golden Kingdom interfered in the crystal's alteration. Helios, the one who interfered, is from Elysion. The Golden Kingdom was in Elysion.
The crystal still appears to be pink. Only its shape changes, as it often does throughout the series. There is no reason to assume Helios changed the crystal's colour, because the crystal appears to be the same colour (whether that's silver and emitting pink energy/light or actually pink) did not change from when it was in her cosmic brooch.
Had someone from the moon changed the brooch and not Pegasus, would the crystal continued to have been pink in color? I'm saying that because Pegasus (whose real identity is Helios whom is from the Earth) altered it, it retained its pink color.

Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
In the SuperS movie, the crystal appears pink and flashes white when she is being burned in the Black Dream Hole. After the senshi provide her with their power, the crystal flashes white and transfers white coloured energy to Chibiusa's crystal.
Again, the other Sailor Soldiers provided her their energy. However, another instance where the crystal shone white before they provided her with energy.
It flashed white.
What? I'm not going to get into the mechanics of the word "shone"...

Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
"quote="Shadow"]...has a pink, star-shaped crystal inside it. When Usagi shouts "Moon Eternal! Make Up!" the crystal lights up pink and releases three "waves" of pink energy.
This time people from other worlds interfered in the crystal's change. Perhaps the change in color is not limited to those from the Golden Kingdom.
"Other worlds?" Only the Sailor Soldiers of the Solar System are present in this scene.[/quote]
Tell me Uranus and Venus are planets from the Earth or moon! Please look at that sentence and scream, "OHH!"

Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Although, ultimately, Chibi Moon provides energy to Sailor Moon to become Eternal Sailor Moon. Her tiara shone in the sixth episode of Sailor Stars along with the other Sailor Soldiers' tiaras. However, she was there every time the Crisis Moon Compact became the Eternal Article. However again, she is not from the Golden Kingdom. She is from the future kingdom of Crystal Tokyo.
So perhaps Chibi Moon's extra energy was what helped to change the Crisis brooch into the Eternal brooch permenantly? How is this relevant?
I was really just pointing it out for absolutely no reason just like we're bitching about the Phantom Silver Crystal's color for no reason.

Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
In episode 193, Sailor Lead Crow forces Usagi's starseed (the ginzuishou) out of her body in an attempt to steal it. The ginzuishou appears above Usagi's forehead (in the rose shape from the R movie) and flashes pink and silver until it settles on silver. Usagi is then sucked into the black hole before ChibiChibi destroys it. While Usagi floats towards the ground, the silver crystal fades into her body.
The Phantom Silver Crystal is in a flower shape because as seen throughout the season, Star Seeds appear from flowers. The flower holding Usagi's Star Seed could be a part of the Star Seed itself.

The crystal was in a flower shape in the R movie because of the movie's theme. You would also notice that the crystal was in a flower shape in the manga in the Dark Kingdom arc of the story. That was long before the R movie would have taken place in that continuity, if it had occured.
I still don't see how this is relevant.
I was explaining why the crystal was a flower shape in the R movie and why the flower shape was used in Sailor Stars. I then went on to correct you as to when the R movie occured. It could have been before or after the end of the R season.

Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
...and the ginzuishou shines a white aura surrounds the ginzuishou. Sailors Star Healer and Maker comment that her star seed is trying to release its energy.
At this point, the compact wasn't open. The crystal's energy was shining through the casing.
This is relevant... why?
I should have included the whole paragraph you originally typed there. You said the compact was open when in actuality it wasn't. Just a correction irrelevant to the topic.

Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
Anyway, I'm trying to figure out whether or not the ginzuishou actually changes colour depending on whether it's in Usagi's brooch or not.
Why are you assuming that it doesn't change color at all?
Because it's the Silver Crystal. I see no reason for it to need to change colour. I suppose it's possible, but I like the idea of it being silver more.
Just because it is called the 幻の銀水晶 (maboroshi no ginzuishou Phantom Silver Crystal) doesn't mean it has to obey the name. Why is it that because it is called that it has to stay that way? Why can't it change? Change is good... Either way, you're trying to prove this all because you like the idea that it should be silver because it's called Silver? Wow, that's bad!

Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
● The ginzuishou is Usagi's starseed and her ability to live is dependant on it. Therefore, she is constantly drawing power from the ginzuishou. This causes the ginzuishou to emit energy, and most of the time, that energy appears as a pink light that illuminates the ginzuishou when it is in her brooch.
Why only most of the time? Why isn't it doing this before it is in the Cosmic Moon Compact?
It might not be doing this in the first season because, perhaps the Ginzuishou does not become Usagi's starseed until after she dies in episode 46. I cannot explain why it does not constantly emit pink light in R, though.
Not being able to explain things is not good when debating.

How can an item become her starseed? I don't know what the rules are for Star Seeds, but I don't think suddenly becoming one is a real concept. The Phantom Silver Crystal came from within Usagi, it was her tear. The Rainbow Crystals probably give it its powers beyond supporting Usagi's life.

Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
I still think its color, while in a compact, depends upon who helped the compact change.
Earth humans are always the ones who help to change the brooch. Only in R, when Queen Serenity's spirit returns the ginzuishou to Usagi, is a non-human involved. Even then, Usagi, Luna, and Serenity are in Usagi's mind. If the ginzuishou became her starseed when she was reborn in episode 46, it's possible that Usagi was involved in changing her brooch as well.
First of all, the entities changing the brooches were using their sould from their respective planets, not necessarily as Earth humans. However, Helios is not an Earth human, he is an Elysion being. Nothing says he is a human, though one can debate about whether he is from the Earth or not.

I do not believe the idea that the Phantom Silver Crystal became Usagi's Star Seed after her revival in the first season. I believe it has always been her Star Seed. If it were not and the crystal actually did become her Star Seed, what happened to her original Star Seed? Why is she without it upon "rebirth"?

Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
● When Usagi transforms, she uses more of the ginzuishou's power than when she uses it simply to survive. Therefore, it flashes pink and emits "waves" of pink energy.
Then is it not flashing any light of pink when it is in the compacts proceeding the Crystal Star?
What? Yes, it flashes pink in all of the brooches after the "Crystal Star." It is not housed in her first season brooch, and it may not have become her starseed until episode 46, so there is no reason for it to flash pink unless she's using it. (Moon Healing Escalation, etc.,)
Such a responce poses the question "Why does the Silver Crystal within the Crystal Star not produce the same energy behavior the later brooches do?" You do not attempt to explain the answer to that question.

Shadow said:
My theory is that the colour of the light emitted is dependant on how much of the crystal's energy is being used. It does not constantly glow pink in the first season because it is not yet her starseed until episode 46. It flashes pink, and not white, when Usagi uses it in the first season because she is not strong enough to use enough power to get white energy until the R movie. (Queen Beryl even states that she is "not a full-fledged Princess.")
I agree with all of that with the exception of one thing: I don't think the Phantom Silver Crystal was not her Star Seed before episode 46. There's no reason to believe it was not.
One could say, "How could she be living if she lost the crystal at the North Pole?" Although, you say the crystal became her Star Seed when she was "reborn". The crystal was supposedly lost. I'm sure you would agree that the crystal was lost inside herself again, and the Moon Stick is still at the North Pole, then Queen Serenity placed it within her Crystal Star from her [Usagi's] body. Although, what about when Chibi-Usa steals the compact? I think it was just a story gap that wasn't relevant until Sailor Stars when the crystal was proven to be Usagi's Star Seed.

Another thing, the R movie might have occured before episode 88 or during episode 88. There is a time gap between the final battle with Death Fantom and when Chibi-Usa returns home. Either way, it doesn't matter.

Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
It is possible that in episode 46, Usagi used as much of the ginzuishou's power as she could, which was not actually all of it. This could explain why the energy being released was pink and not white. I do not know how to explain episode 88, however, since by this point in time, Usagi has used the ginzuishou's full power (R movie) and the energy in episode 88 is still pink.
The aura is pink, not necessarily the energy being released. The idea of her using as much energy as she could is possible, since the light was white in episode 88. The problem is why was the future crystal giving off white energy with Chibi-Usa? Perhaps it is because it's not yet her crystal and Neo-Queen Serenity's power was still in it.
Um, well, that supported my theory further. So okay... As for the episode 46 comment, Usagi uses the crystal's energy to form a bubble around her. The bubble expands (when the Senshi's spirits help her) and destroys Queen Beryl. Said bubble is pink. The bubble is most likely made of, OMG NO WAY, energy.
I was refering to the ending of R the whole time and agreeing with you about the episode 46 theory.

The entire time I refer to the other Sailor Soldiers helping in the change of the compact I am refering to them as beings of their respective planets. Such would work with the theory that the crystal shifts colors when souls of other worlds help in the alteration of its shape and power output.

Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
I'm interested to see what everyone else thinks. :3
I want to know what Antie thinks!
I'm rather interested in that, too.
Antie said:
I really do not have much to say about this subject, actually. It looks you two have studied the properties of the crystal more than I have.
I think Ian is scared! It's that or he knows how persistant you are and doesn't wish to bother.
 
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DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
Neither Usagi or Chibiusa have "Moon Blood." Usagi was re-born on Earth (twice!) and is 100% human. Her power most likely comes from the ginzuishou which has resided within her since she was re-born on Earth. (At least, part of it has.)
I didn't really mean blood so literally. Allow me to rephrase: souls from the Moon Kingdom. You should really pick up on what I mean if you use "you know what I mean" so much yourself.
I know. I was poking fun at your literal..ness.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
When the senshi form a circle around her, the ginzuishou begins to glow white. When the senshi cry "Silver Crystal Power" more white energy is released and used to defeat Snow Princess Kaguya.
Notice that in both the R and S movies, energy was used from more Sailor Soldiers than just Sailor Moon. However, in the R movie, the crystal used white energy before others put their energy into it.
It doesn't really emit any energy before the senshi gather around her. It just has a silver-y aura that was present when she removed it from her brooch. It doesn't begin to glow white and emit white energy until all of the senshi join hands.
Are we talking about the same movie? In the R movie, the beams of white light began surrounding the asteroid before the Four Guadian Diety Soldiers sent their power into the crystal.
I was referring to the S movie. Hence my mention of Princess Snow Kaguya in the original post.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
...in episode 130, the ginzuishou returns to its spherical shape but continues to appear pink. It flashes twice when Usagi (and Chibiusa) cry "Moon Crisis! Make Up!"
Again, someone from the Golden Kingdom interfered in the crystal's alteration. Helios, the one who interfered, is from Elysion. The Golden Kingdom was in Elysion.
The crystal still appears to be pink. Only its shape changes, as it often does throughout the series. There is no reason to assume Helios changed the crystal's colour, because the crystal appears to be the same colour (whether that's silver and emitting pink energy/light or actually pink) did not change from when it was in her cosmic brooch.
Had someone from the moon changed the brooch and not Pegasus, would the crystal continued to have been pink in color? I'm saying that because Pegasus (whose real identity is Helios whom is from the Earth) altered it, it retained its pink color.
My theory would indicate that the crystal only changed shape, and remained silver. But continued to appear pink because of the energy it was emitting.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
In the SuperS movie, the crystal appears pink and flashes white when she is being burned in the Black Dream Hole. After the senshi provide her with their power, the crystal flashes white and transfers white coloured energy to Chibiusa's crystal.
Again, the other Sailor Soldiers provided her their energy. However, another instance where the crystal shone white before they provided her with energy.
It flashed white.
What? I'm not going to get into the mechanics of the word "shone"...
No, I mean it didn't sparkle all pretty and white or anything. It also didn't seem to be emitting energy or anything. It looked more like it was panicking or something when you take into consideration the alarm-ish sound in the background during that scene. As if the crystal was preparing to do something. I just think "flash" indicates the crisis situation the ginzuishou was in better than "shine" does.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
...has a pink, star-shaped crystal inside it. When Usagi shouts "Moon Eternal! Make Up!" the crystal lights up pink and releases three "waves" of pink energy.
This time people from other worlds interfered in the crystal's change. Perhaps the change in color is not limited to those from the Golden Kingdom.
"Other worlds?" Only the Sailor Soldiers of the Solar System are present in this scene.
Tell me Uranus and Venus are planets from the Earth or moon! Please look at that sentence and scream, "OHH!"
It would still be irrelevant to my theory. I suppose it would support yours, too. But one could argue that they're still just ordinary Earth humans.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Although, ultimately, Chibi Moon provides energy to Sailor Moon to become Eternal Sailor Moon. Her tiara shone in the sixth episode of Sailor Stars along with the other Sailor Soldiers' tiaras. However, she was there every time the Crisis Moon Compact became the Eternal Article. However again, she is not from the Golden Kingdom. She is from the future kingdom of Crystal Tokyo.
So perhaps Chibi Moon's extra energy was what helped to change the Crisis brooch into the Eternal brooch permenantly? How is this relevant?
I was really just pointing it out for absolutely no reason just like we're bitching about the Phantom Silver Crystal's color for no reason.
Ah, okay. Just checkin'.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
In episode 193, Sailor Lead Crow forces Usagi's starseed (the ginzuishou) out of her body in an attempt to steal it. The ginzuishou appears above Usagi's forehead (in the rose shape from the R movie) and flashes pink and silver until it settles on silver. Usagi is then sucked into the black hole before ChibiChibi destroys it. While Usagi floats towards the ground, the silver crystal fades into her body.
The Phantom Silver Crystal is in a flower shape because as seen throughout the season, Star Seeds appear from flowers. The flower holding Usagi's Star Seed could be a part of the Star Seed itself.

The crystal was in a flower shape in the R movie because of the movie's theme. You would also notice that the crystal was in a flower shape in the manga in the Dark Kingdom arc of the story. That was long before the R movie would have taken place in that continuity, if it had occured.
I still don't see how this is relevant.
I was explaining why the crystal was a flower shape in the R movie and why the flower shape was used in Sailor Stars. I then went on to correct you as to when the R movie occured. It could have been before or after the end of the R season.
Actually, it couldn't be after R. Chibiusa returns to the future in episode 88. It has to happen during the R season, but before the Sailor Senshi go into the future. (Because it's during that time that Chibiusa becomes Black Lady, and we don't see Chibiusa again until episode 88.) The R movie has to take place sometime between episodes 75 and 81.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
...and the ginzuishou shines a white aura surrounds the ginzuishou. Sailors Star Healer and Maker comment that her star seed is trying to release its energy.
At this point, the compact wasn't open. The crystal's energy was shining through the casing.
This is relevant... why?
I should have included the whole paragraph you originally typed there. You said the compact was open when in actuality it wasn't. Just a correction irrelevant to the topic.
Ah. My mistake. Doesn't really make a difference, though. However, if your idea that the crystal changes colour depending on whether or not it's in the brooch, then there's a major flaw. If the crystal is pink when it is in the brooch, then the white light that we see in episode 199 should be pink, because it would be white light passing through the pink surface of the crystal.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
Anyway, I'm trying to figure out whether or not the ginzuishou actually changes colour depending on whether it's in Usagi's brooch or not.
Why are you assuming that it doesn't change color at all?
Because it's the Silver Crystal. I see no reason for it to need to change colour. I suppose it's possible, but I like the idea of it being silver more.
Just because it is called the 幻の銀水晶 (maboroshi no ginzuishou Phantom Silver Crystal) doesn't mean it has to obey the name. Why is it that because it is called that it has to stay that way? Why can't it change? Change is good... Either way, you're trying to prove this all because you like the idea that it should be silver because it's called Silver? Wow, that's bad!
It's as good a reason as any when it comes to a fictional universe of teenage girls that change into sailor outfits by putting on nail polish.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
● The ginzuishou is Usagi's starseed and her ability to live is dependant on it. Therefore, she is constantly drawing power from the ginzuishou. This causes the ginzuishou to emit energy, and most of the time, that energy appears as a pink light that illuminates the ginzuishou when it is in her brooch.
Why only most of the time? Why isn't it doing this before it is in the Cosmic Moon Compact?
It might not be doing this in the first season because, perhaps the Ginzuishou does not become Usagi's starseed until after she dies in episode 46. I cannot explain why it does not constantly emit pink light in R, though.
Not being able to explain things is not good when debating.

How can an item become her starseed? I don't know what the rules are for Star Seeds, but I don't think suddenly becoming one is a real concept. The Phantom Silver Crystal came from within Usagi, it was her tear. The Rainbow Crystals probably give it its powers beyond supporting Usagi's life.
All living things have star seeds. (Hm. Plants and bacteria, too?) Usagi was living before the ginzuishou materialized completely. It is not indicated that she draws any power from the ginzuishou when she's not actually using it in an attack, but we later know that it is indeed her star seed. However, in episode 46, she wishes upon it and dies from using as much of its power as she could. In episode 5..1, I think it is, Queen Serenity returns the ginzuishou to Usagi when they're "in Usagi's mind." So the ginzuishou appears to reside in Usagi between episodes 46 and 51. Usagi dies only twice after this; the R movie and episode 199. In both instances, she's revived when the ginzuishou is. This indicates that it is her lifesource. So I'm assuming the ginzuishou merges with/replaces her existing star seed when she is "transmigrated" in episode 46, because after that, there's a clear connection between it and her life.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
I still think its color, while in a compact, depends upon who helped the compact change.
Earth humans are always the ones who help to change the brooch. Only in R, when Queen Serenity's spirit returns the ginzuishou to Usagi, is a non-human involved. Even then, Usagi, Luna, and Serenity are in Usagi's mind. If the ginzuishou became her starseed when she was reborn in episode 46, it's possible that Usagi was involved in changing her brooch as well.
First of all, the entities changing the brooches were using their sould from their respective planets, not necessarily as Earth humans. However, Helios is not an Earth human, he is an Elysion being. Nothing says he is a human, though one can debate about whether he is from the Earth or not.
I'll argue that he's from Earth, then.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
I do not believe the idea that the Phantom Silver Crystal became Usagi's Star Seed after her revival in the first season. I believe it has always been her Star Seed. If it were not and the crystal actually did become her Star Seed, what happened to her original Star Seed? Why is she without it upon "rebirth"?
Perhaps her original star seed merged with the ginzuishou. Perhaps the ginzuishou replaced it.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
● When Usagi transforms, she uses more of the ginzuishou's power than when she uses it simply to survive. Therefore, it flashes pink and emits "waves" of pink energy.
Then is it not flashing any light of pink when it is in the compacts proceeding the Crystal Star?
What? Yes, it flashes pink in all of the brooches after the "Crystal Star." It is not housed in her first season brooch, and it may not have become her starseed until episode 46, so there is no reason for it to flash pink unless she's using it. (Moon Healing Escalation, etc.,)
Such a responce poses the question "Why does the Silver Crystal within the Crystal Star not produce the same energy behavior the later brooches do?" You do not attempt to explain the answer to that question.
I told you; I can't. It's the one thing that doesn't make sense to me.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
My theory is that the colour of the light emitted is dependant on how much of the crystal's energy is being used. It does not constantly glow pink in the first season because it is not yet her starseed until episode 46. It flashes pink, and not white, when Usagi uses it in the first season because she is not strong enough to use enough power to get white energy until the R movie. (Queen Beryl even states that she is "not a full-fledged Princess.")
I agree with all of that with the exception of one thing: I don't think the Phantom Silver Crystal was not her Star Seed before episode 46. There's no reason to believe it was not.
One could say, "How could she be living if she lost the crystal at the North Pole?" Although, you say the crystal became her Star Seed when she was "reborn". The crystal was supposedly lost. I'm sure you would agree that the crystal was lost inside herself again, and the Moon Stick is still at the North Pole, then Queen Serenity placed it within her Crystal Star from her [Usagi's] body. Although, what about when Chibi-Usa steals the compact? I think it was just a story gap that wasn't relevant until Sailor Stars when the crystal was proven to be Usagi's Star Seed.
The Moon Stick was probably destroyed by the ginzuishou as it was used to erase all evidence of the Sailor Soldiers in episode 46. The one exception being itself, and Usagi's brooch. When Chibi-Usa steals it, it is still possible that Usagi is drawing its power to live. She willfully keeps the crystal out of her body, and only "dies" when it is forcefully removed. (A la Sailor Lead Crow.)

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Another thing, the R movie might have occured before episode 88 or during episode 88. There is a time gap between the final battle with Death Fantom and when Chibi-Usa returns home. Either way, it doesn't matter.
We really don't know how long that time gap is. It could happen there, but I doubt it since Chibiusa is very eager to return home at the end of episode 88. I don't see why she'd wait for the events of the R movie to go by (which, if I remember correctly, is at least two days) before returning home if the Death Phantom was already gone.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
DoseiNoSenshi said:
Shadow said:
It is possible that in episode 46, Usagi used as much of the ginzuishou's power as she could, which was not actually all of it. This could explain why the energy being released was pink and not white. I do not know how to explain episode 88, however, since by this point in time, Usagi has used the ginzuishou's full power (R movie) and the energy in episode 88 is still pink.
The aura is pink, not necessarily the energy being released. The idea of her using as much energy as she could is possible, since the light was white in episode 88. The problem is why was the future crystal giving off white energy with Chibi-Usa? Perhaps it is because it's not yet her crystal and Neo-Queen Serenity's power was still in it.
Um, well, that supported my theory further. So okay... As for the episode 46 comment, Usagi uses the crystal's energy to form a bubble around her. The bubble expands (when the Senshi's spirits help her) and destroys Queen Beryl. Said bubble is pink. The bubble is most likely made of, OMG NO WAY, energy.
I was refering to the ending of R the whole time and agreeing with you about the episode 46 theory.
Ah. The sentence organization threw me off a bit.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
The entire time I refer to the other Sailor Soldiers helping in the change of the compact I am refering to them as beings of their respective planets. Such would work with the theory that the crystal shifts colors when souls of other worlds help in the alteration of its shape and power output.
The ginzuishou is silver when the other Senshi help Usagi (episode 46, 88, R movie, S movie) and it does not suddenly shift to pink.
 
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DoseiNoSenshi said:
I can just imagine Ian sitting at his computer with those swirly anime eyes while he reads this.
I have actually been following along without much trouble.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
I think Ian is scared! It's that or he knows how persistant you are and doesn't wish to bother.
I am not scared. I have some things to say:

DoseiNoSenshi said:
Either way, you're trying to prove this all because you like the idea that it should be silver because it's called Silver?
It may be the Silver Crystal, but it does not have to be literally silver all the time. The Stallion Rêve is not literally a dream. The Sailor Star Yells are not literally yells.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
The Rainbow Crystals probably give it its powers beyond supporting Usagi's life.
The Rainbow Crystals are parts of the Silver Crystal even though the tear has something to do with the appearance of the Silver Crystal. (The official anime sources, including the anime itself, tell us that the seven Rainbow Crystals are parts of the Silver Crystal itself. When it comes to the information about what those crystals are, I am going to go with the official information instead of fan hypotheses.) Those pieces were sent to different places on Earth. Where ever those pieces were, they were not inside Usagi's body, and they were not part of the completed Silver Crystal.

DoseiNoSenshi said:
I agree with all of that with the exception of one thing: I don't think the Phantom Silver Crystal was not her Star Seed before episode 46. There's no reason to believe it was not.
If the Silver Crystal is her starseed even in episode 1, then there were times when parts of her starseed were relatively far away from her body. Even if they were away from her body, that may not matter -- the Silver Crystal might have been her starseed whether or not it was in pieces. Perhaps the Silver Crystal is significantly linked to her body when she is its primary owner.
 
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Shadow said:
Guardian4 said:
You seemed to have put a lot of time, energy, and research into this subject. :lol: Congrats, I don't have the resources nor discipline to do that. :? As for your question as to what I think: I don't have a clue. I never really questioned it, though your hypothesis seems to be a sound one from what I can tell.
Heh, I always thought the ginzuishou was rather fascinating. And ever since I saw the Moon Stick toy from Bandai at Kmart oh-so-many-years-ago, I've just been puzzled as to why the hell its ginzuishou was pink.

And in all subsequent Moon Stick toys (even the really nice Sailormoon World one), the ginzuishou has remained pink. Meh.
Yeah I have one, though the ginzuishou is now destroyed that was pink. It also turned into a pretty pretty ring I could wear.
 
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solarsun said:
Shadow said:
Guardian4 said:
You seemed to have put a lot of time, energy, and research into this subject. :lol: Congrats, I don't have the resources nor discipline to do that. :? As for your question as to what I think: I don't have a clue. I never really questioned it, though your hypothesis seems to be a sound one from what I can tell.
Heh, I always thought the ginzuishou was rather fascinating. And ever since I saw the Moon Stick toy from Bandai at Kmart oh-so-many-years-ago, I've just been puzzled as to why the hell its ginzuishou was pink.

And in all subsequent Moon Stick toys (even the really nice Sailormoon World one), the ginzuishou has remained pink. Meh.
Yeah I have one, though the ginzuishou is now destroyed that was pink. It also turned into a pretty pretty ring I could wear.
Yeah, that one. I think the Japanese one had three different rings. And the Sailormoon World one was just awesome. With the round ginzuishou. *die*
 
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Are they still making the World Moon Stick or has it gone out of manufacturing? I'd really like to get my hands on one that isn't bootleg. Let alone any bootleg materials... For the matter of the toys, I have a strange obsession of wanting them. I want them, but the Lip Rods are going for $102.00 on Ebay! O.o