Is Sailor Moon becoming a queer icon?

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However, by the time Sailor Moon S was dubbed --there was a significant gap in time between the dubs of Classic and R and the start of S-- the Internet fans had "spoiled" the series for most of us fans. In fact, many fans weren't wondering if the dub would censor Uranus and Neptune, but how they would. Most of us speculators were thinking it would be the "best friends" route with the cutting out of the romantic footage, and a couple were thinking "sisters" (they DO have similar features) but NO ONE thought it would be "cousins."
And this right here is why I will never watch the 90s/00s dub....
 

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I suppose it is, but I also think it can be enjoyed by anyone in general

I first saw haruka and michiru and hotaru in 1997 in a japanese magazine advertising a sailor moon fighting game, there was no english but I saw pics
was all "there's more scouts? who are they?" At the end of R ep 89 in 1999 you could get a hint of them and I thought oh man finally gonna find out who they are but S came in a year later in 2000, the dub said they were cousins but I always felt they were too close to be related I knew about gay and lesbian etc from an early age and I never had an issue with it, so when I saw them I suspected them as such cause by then I knew there was a difference in what I was watching and that the Japanese had the "real version" that I always heard rumors about at school but I didn't have my own internet for another 7 years so I just thought on my own, I was able to look them up in 2002 on my cousins computer and found out about them for real then in 2004 through the end of 2006 into 2007 I saw classic to stars subbed the rest is history.

I always found censorship of homosexuality to be pointless and insulting it exists get over it already.
 
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"Sailor Moon" is a series that emphasizes themes like love, friendship, redemption, and acceptance, which are all things that resonate with queer audiences. The Sailor Team is in many ways a "found family." I think that's the real reason the series is so popular/"iconic" with people who identify as LGBTQIA. The inclusion of queer characters (however they may be depicted), the colorfulness, and the camp value are added bonuses. If it seems like "Sailor Moon" is suddenly more popular (among queer people), that's probably just due to the increased presence of social media in our lives and how social media/the internet have allowed queer people a space to express themselves louder than ever.
This.

I made another thread awhile back that talks about the LGBTQ themes on what Usagi can sometimes be like but the show, and it's main character are one of the most LGBTQ friendly anime characters and series out there. The series is all about acceptance and redemption. Yes there are fight scenes here and there but this is not a show that's about blood, guts, gore, murder etc. This is not some violent video game where it's all about "kill it if it moves".
 
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This notion is quite common and I find it somewhat offensive. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to say there is something bad being gay, it is just don't like the labels some people put on male Sailor Moon fans specifically. I remember my middle school crush. She was a fan of the franchise just like me and we talked about it, sharing tape records of episodes and stuff, but she clearly friend zoned me. Years later we talked how she had a crush on me as well, but because I liked Sailor Moon she thought I was gay, so she never considered being more than friends. I guess some of the fanbase has different sexuality, but as a straight male representive I am agains this prejudice and abit sexist for people to assume a guy must be gay just because he enjoys a shoujo anime. Nobody assumes that for girls watching shounen after all. I know Sailor Moon help lots of queer kids to come in terms with their sexuality and this is one more reason to love this franchise, but stereotyping is bad.
 

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This notion is quite common and I find it somewhat offensive. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to say there is something bad being gay, it is just don't like the labels some people put on male Sailor Moon fans specifically. I remember my middle school crush. She was a fan of the franchise just like me and we talked about it, sharing tape records of episodes and stuff, but she clearly friend zoned me. Years later we talked how she had a crush on me as well, but because I liked Sailor Moon she thought I was gay, so she never considered being more than friends. I guess some of the fanbase has different sexuality, but as a straight male representive I am agains this prejudice and abit sexist for people to assume a guy must be gay just because he enjoys a shoujo anime. Nobody assumes that for girls watching shounen after all. I know Sailor Moon help lots of queer kids to come in terms with their sexuality and this is one more reason to love this franchise, but stereotyping is bad.
I don't think anyone meant to imply it's okay to jump to conclusions about people because of what they like but a lot of the fans are LGBTQ that's really just a fact there are major characters in the series that fall under the LGBTQ umbrella and that's relevant to the plot and its part of the appeal of the show to a lot of fans. It's the same thing with American shows like Adventure Time and Steven Universe today it's not that you have to be gay to like it but the fans that are most vocal are the LGBT fans because they see themselves in the show. I mean if you were the type to jump to conclusions like she did you could have easily assumed the same thing about her since Sailor Moon also attracts a lot of lesbian fans.
 

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I mean if you were the type to jump to conclusions like she did you could have easily assumed the same thing about her since Sailor Moon also attracts a lot of lesbian fans.
The problem is that it's often being perceived that:

Male likes "male" shows --> fine
Male likes "female" shows --> gay
Female likes "female" shows --> fine
Female likes "male" shows --> also fine

It's all about gender inequality.
 

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The problem is that it's often being perceived that:

Male likes "male" shows --> fine
Male likes "female" shows --> gay
Female likes "female" shows --> fine
Female likes "male" shows --> also fine

It's all about gender inequality.
I don't really know who to pin the blame on for that. I mean I have heard that a lot of the reason that they don't make more female-led franchises in the west is that statistics and research show that in general men don't relate to stories that are not about men as well but that women can become easily invested in stories about either men or women. I mean it's not like you aren't seen as kind of an odd duck if it's the other way around too.I have never had anybody accuse me of being a lesbian because I grew up liking a lot of shows for boys but then again most people wouldn't say what they are thinking out loud. I don't think acknowledging truth about the statistics of the fanbase is the same as stereotyping somebody you know.
 

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I don't really know who to pin the blame on for that. I mean I have heard that a lot of the reason that they don't make more female-led franchises in the west is that statistics and research show that in general men don't relate to stories that are not about men as well but that women can become easily invested in stories about either men or women. I mean it's not like you aren't seen as kind of an odd duck if it's the other way around too.I have never had anybody accuse me of being a lesbian because I grew up liking a lot of shows for boys but then again most people wouldn't say what they are thinking out loud. I don't think acknowledging truth about the statistics of the fanbase is the same as stereotyping somebody you know.
If that's the case, that they don't say what they're thinking out loud about your liking "male" shows also reflects a lot about gender inequality, because males liking "female" shows often don't get that same treatment, & many of those males are pretty aware of that too, hence their hiding their interest on such shows, unlike their female counterparts who like "male" shows. :wink:
 
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Walking into Sailor Moon fandom is like walking into a gay bar. While it's not impossible that some customers inside are straight and visited just because they like fried chicken wings served there, can you really blame anybody for assuming that all people inside are most probably gay? :zoid:
That there're proportionally more gay males liking "female" shows, as compared w/ "male" shows, & that the equivalent case doesn't apply to lesbian females liking "male" shows, also reflect gender inequality. :)
 

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I don't know why "Sailor Moon," specifically. I guess it's because of all the glitter.

"Buffy: the Vampire Slayer" is a girly show and it is a show that straight men love and are vocal about it.
 
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Well, Sailor Moon has a lot of gay elements, but at the time the only one we were kind a aware of was Haruka and Michiru's relationship. It is because at the time we watched it in German and Zoisite and Fisheye were presented as females. So the only reason to assume someone is gay was the fact the protagonists are girls, which is stupid. 90s Sailor Moon has more of ashounen feel and there were a lot if nods to the male audience, like the transformations and soft fanservice. It really is gender inquallity. Lots of girls watched Fullmetall Alchemist and Naruto, Bleach etc and they were the cool chicks you can watch football with.
 

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"Buffy, the Vampire Slayer" also has a lot of gay elements. Tara x Willow's relationship. Buffy being a vocal support of LGBT rights. There is also an entire episode based on Tara's family and how she struggled to find her real family. Andrew is also a gender-fluid character.

I think what makes "Sailor Moon" so appealing to gays is the excess of glitter.
 

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Well, Sailor Moon has a lot of gay elements, but at the time the only one we were kind a aware of was Haruka and Michiru's relationship. It is because at the time we watched it in German and Zoisite and Fisheye were presented as females. So the only reason to assume someone is gay was the fact the protagonists are girls, which is stupid. 90s Sailor Moon has more of ashounen feel and there were a lot if nods to the male audience, like the transformations and soft fanservice. It really is gender inquallity. Lots of girls watched Fullmetall Alchemist and Naruto, Bleach etc and they were the cool chicks you can watch football with.
I think some shonen series try a little bit harder to appeal to both boys and girls though. For example, Fullmetal Alchemist was created by a woman and Naruto and Bleach have more supporting characters that females can relate to. For example, when I was younger it literally did not even occur to me that the series Inuyasha was even supposed to be a shonen show because despite the fact the title character is Inuyasha the sword-wielding typical shonen protagonist Kagome is the narrator and we see the story through her eyes.
 

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I would like to say that CLAMP's "Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles," whose demographic is shonen, and was published on Shonen Weekly Magazine, is a story that appeals to boys and girls. That being said, all male fans of TRC I have spoken to are gay.
 

Rika-Chicchi

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Kinda just reminds me of this.

I think the Sailor Moon anime should've made fun of Dragon Ball too. XD

For example, when I was younger it literally did not even occur to me that the series Inuyasha was even supposed to be a shonen show because despite the fact the title character is Inuyasha the sword-wielding typical shonen protagonist Kagome is the narrator and we see the story through her eyes.
Not to mention that it's adapted from a manga by a female manga writer. lol