Is Toei regretting Crystal's initial concept?

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But as far as I know France is the only country who bought Crystal 1 and 2, but didn't get 3. It is true they were broadcast on a kiddy channel and the tv version had cuts here and there, but the dvd/blu ray release was splendid.So I assume Crystal didn't get that good reception in France. Bu Italian community liked the subplot as well. I fund the idea contrived, I still think it should have been just Venus and Kunzite as it was very slightly teased in Sailor V manga, and the way they written off was laughable. Metalia was both in two times at once, killing the kings in one blow but leaving the senshi be, while they were 10 feet away and then disappeared.
 
I disagree with Neon Genesis the story is not complete there are tons of stuff they could explore. Like for one do a season showing how Crystal Tokyo came to be and how the Earth froze, they could do a story with reference to the Galaxy Cauldron, Sailor Cosmos and Chaos. They could adapt some of the original Sera Myu stories, Another Story, the PC Engine game or even Codename Sailor V just 90s styled and add in the London arc along with the manga's stories. Also to Star Angel Haruki I never liked the real time attacks I always preferred the fancy attack animations and in fact that was one of the reasons I fell in love with the series as it was so flashy and beautiful and I liked how they brought back the fancy attack animations in season 3.
I don't mind the stock footage in some scenes. I hope they don't do it for the movie. It will eat up too much time doing stock footage one after the next. I'd love to see a Flame Sniper in real time though for the most part. I hope it's super powerful in this film too.
 

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I think if they make the senshi use their old attacks somehow they won't make stock footage attacks because the art style will be new and will look jarring. Mars fire attacks always looked cool in Season 1. It will also give us possible variations of the same attacks, and I don't think it means they won't be using pretty cool animation outside the stock footage format. It will work better in theatrical medium, at least in my opinion.
 
I wonder if how Moon Gorgeous Meditation will look? Chibi-Moon is apart of the attack now oh and we will have a duo Crisis Moon Makeup.

I hope we get something interesting like the Universal transformation but just animation wise.

I think the movies will look cool with that. Even some of Toei's older Dragon Ball films had nice fluid stuff.

Just hoping the new staff can get things going good.
 

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If Mercury Aqua Mirage is any indication, I imagine Moon Gorgeous Meditation will probably look like it did in the SuperS movie.
I'm really torn in between - I would love the see modern animation of the old attacks with movie quality, but I also wanna something new and dynamic, the way Rei used her fire power in episode 5. I hope for group attack at some point, which reminds me of this:
I have no idea who the designer is but this is the look that look the most to classic sailor moon to me, something about the eyes.
 
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I've seen last year's Precure movie and honestly i wasnt very impressed. While the animation was pretty fluid the quality didnt seem all that great. I would say that One Piece tv specials have higher quality (imo). But the most jarring were the designs. So cartoony and cutesy. Bleugh. Hope Crystal movies dont look this sugar-like.
 

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I've seen last year's Precure movie and honestly i wasnt very impressed. While the animation was pretty fluid the quality didnt seem all that great. I would say that One Piece tv specials have higher quality (imo). But the most jarring were the designs. So cartoony and cutesy. Bleugh. Hope Crystal movies dont look this sugar-like.
well, i don't find pretty cure style suitable for sailor moon - the manga has always pretty etheral and dark, but I wanna see at least as much efort put in it. This is toei last chance for clean start - new style, new format. I have a feeling this time they will get it right - third time is a charm.
 

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But the most jarring were the designs. So cartoony and cutesy. Bleugh. Hope Crystal movies dont look this sugar-like.
Each season has a different character designer with a different art style.

I have no idea who the designer is but this is the look that look the most to classic sailor moon to me, something about the eyes.
Those are Toshie Kawamura's designs and the attack is animated by Naotoshi Shida. Her style for the illustrations for that particular season have changed quite a bit throughout the years.

She's also doing the current season of Precure

Very detailed hair and eyes, etc. I was actually hoping she'd do the designs for Crystal back when it was first announced, if nobody from the 90s anime was available.
 

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[QUOTE="ery detailed hair and eyes, etc. I was actually hoping she'd do the designs for Crystal back when it was first announced, if nobody from the 90s anime was available.[/QUOTE]
This new season has the flustered cheecks going on and i really hate that, it is difficult to explain not the red cheeksthe white dots they put on the that is repulsive to me, in one of the go go scetches she as put red cheeks it is fine, but the white dots....
 
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Actually is Crystal even a failure from their commercial point of view?Vies on nico nico declined rapidly after the first couple of episodes, but have you even tried watching something on it - it is in 480p at best, pretty low quality. Then Crystal S1 and two actually sold pretty well 2000 during the first two to three weeks in anime sells is actually pretty good. Most shows nowadays rarely sells beyond 1000. Season 3 was on tv and the sells dropped because it was easily available, people have decent dvrs nowadays and blu ray did nothing to smooth the animation, the less detailed designs didn't worth the hd either. But we don't know actualatings, they might have been decent. Toei just wannA go to more exclusive medium to boos sells again. Most tv shows dont sell lots compared to movies
 

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Again, it's a stretch to credit Glitter Force for a rise in Western importing of Japanese PreCure merchandise or home video sales. For one thing, it wouldn't make sense for Western fans to start importing merchandise of a 2015 PreCure show because they started watching a localized dub of a PreCure series that originally aired in 2013 and this is mixing correlation with causation without any hard data of what the streaming ratings for Glitter Force were like for Netflix. It's more likely Western imports of Japanese merch increased in 2015 because a lot of Western fans watched fansubs of Go Princess PreCure which is widely regarded as one of the most popular PreCure shows.
Actually, no, It's not the fansub, Heartcatc Precure much popular than Go Princess and their was no high in profit in west. and actually Mahou Precure and Kirakira where mess but the money as the same in 2016 and 2017.
And actually, when western people import japanese merchandising, it's reported in japanese profit
You didn't understand the financial report, it's not the merchandising who make profit for to Toei in the west. it's the licensing. the only other years where Pretty Cure made money in west was when Italia buy some season of the show.

Saban(and now Hasbro) pay Toei animation every years to air Glitter Force, don't forget Gillter France is aired in a big amount of country (france, russia, Italia, US, spain, germany), for each country where its aired, Toei receive money.

Even if Saban loose money with the show, they need to pay Toei animation, it's how it work

I know allthough i was surprised that this time around it was extremely cutesy and cartoony even for Precure standards. I also thought the quality of 2017 movie was lower than the 2016 movie which was pretty well done
but the 2017 dreamstar movie had on of the best 3D a japanese ever had. the 2D part of the movie were not in 3D, it was like the short Disney movie Paperman, it was 3D with some 2D correction

This new season has the flustered cheecks going on and i really hate that, it is difficult to sleeping = it is not the red ckeesh but the white dots they put on the that is repulsive to me, in one of the go go scetches she as put red cheeks it is fine, but these white dots...
but this new season have to god of magical girl directing it, Junichi Sato returned to Toei animation of Hugtto Precure
 
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[QUOTE="ery detailed hair and eyes, etc. I was actually hoping she'd do the designs for Crystal back when it was first announced, if nobody from the 90s anime was available.
This new season has the flustered cheecks going on and i really hate that, it is difficult to sleeping = it is not the red ckeesh but the white dots they put on the that is repulsive to me, in one of the go go scetches she as put red cheeks it is fine, but these white dots...[/QUOTE]
but this new season have to god of magical girl directing it, Junichi Sato returned to Toei animation of Hugtto Precure
 

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It's a success for Toei animation, Toei animation have no need GlitterForce to be hugely successful in west, they just need the money that come from the llcence, even if it's butchered and Hated by some people, I gain many and many money.

and from a financial view, Glitterforce is a huge success for Toei animation. the financial number are here, for Toei animation, Glitter Force(without Precure) is their four bigger Licence before Saint seiya, Sailormoon and Digimon

And if Hasbro brought the licence and Netflix still have the serie on their broadcast, I assume the licence gain some money. As said it's broadcast in many countries and the netflix format make it available everydays at every hour.

With this format, even a moderate success can gain many money(a little success but non stop during 2 years and in 10 countries can gain more money than a great sucess but only during 6 month once time by week in only one country)
 

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Gliier Force and every other Pretty Cure would fail anywhere on streaming service. The show mainly target prescholers and elementary schoolers that watch morning and Sunday cartoons on tv. The license didn't bring much either - as part for package deal, for streaming service. License for tv broadcast and home video release wold cost much more. If Toei cared about licensing that much they would have worked harder releasing Crystal as it has been released in USA, China, Portugal, Italy, France, German, Ausralia and now Mexico - there might be more. Toei care about domestical market, get money from Bandai to keep it going every year and get all the revenue. With Crystal, even if it made close revenue due to releases overseas etc. has to be split in 3 or more, as it is confusing who is owning what.

Speaking of dubs and licensing, have you seen that :happy:


 
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Gliier Force and every other Pretty Cure would fail anywhere on streaming service. The show mainly target prescholers and elementary schoolers that watch morning and Sunday cartoons on tv. The license didn't bring much either - as part for package deal, for streaming service.
A financial number are here, Glitter force is a big financial success for Toei, why so much denial. And actually, Studies showed than people under 25 watch more netflix than TV.
Actually, in France, show like Wakfu season 3, the last Air Bender, Starwars clone wars and the lastest season of My little pony Frienship is magic are nearly Netflix exclusive.
My little Pony and Clone were even even never been aired during Sunday morning but during afternoon and on paid channel.
I don't know in other countries but in france, except on paid channel, there is nearly no kid show except Scoobydoo, Miraculous, Oum the dolphin and the Paw Patrol. So most of the kids watch their series on Netflix because parents are not going to pay a TV channel+Netflix

So Netflix is clearly to best place for kid show, much more than TV

If Toei cared about licensing that much they would have worked harder releasing Crystal as it has been released in USA, China, Portugal, Italy, France, German, Ausralia and now Mexico - there might be more. Toei care about domestical market, get money from Bandai to keep it going every year and get all the revenue.
Actually, they tried hard, in 2010, they even dubbed Heartcatch Precure movie in French to try to sell it, but no TV channel in french wanted it (French TV hate japanimation) and Saban was owning Precure right since 2012 but was unable to find a TV channel wanting to air it. Netflix were the only one interested

And it's false to Think Toei is interested only by domestic money, they made most of the saint seiya anime since Omega for Western audience(the idea of Saint seiya Omega came from the director of Toei France and Soul of Gold was made in Asgard because Asgard was popular in west, they made Harlock movie for Western audience, they even made Broly come back in the next Dragonball movie because Broly is popular in West. They are also making the Saint seiya Netflix series for western audience.

If Crystal don't have more licence, it's just because nobody want crystal.

If Toei cared about licensing that much they would have worked harder releasing Crystal as it has been released in USA, China, Portugal, Italy, France, German, Ausralia and now Mexico - there might be more.[/QUOTE]