Original SM and DBZ just cant get proper release in DVD/BD format in USA

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kamil88

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Hearing about upcoming disaster of 30th anniversary DBZ Blu Ray release
& I'm kinda reminded of Viz releases of Sailor Moon, they are also very crappy, especially original series, later series have little better quality, but it is stiill farcry from DVDs from Italy and other countries in Europe (And of course Japan) you can get singles in US, but they have very crappy Japanese audio, seems like both Sailor Moon and DBZ dont have luck with good releases in USA (DBZ had Dragon Boxes, but of course Funimation had to screw it up too by making it limited release and now good luck finding whole set for under 1000$)
 

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kamil88

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Screenshots compare between various releases Why the 30th anniversary edition sucks - V3 | FrameCompare.com

It is such a shame they didnt do remaster via discontinued Level Sets, Level Sets sold badly and were cancelled after 2 releases, well, considering they release it right after last Dragon Box, DBZ Kai was still ongoing, and there were also Orange Bricks, and of course it sold badly, baka! You could wait 1-2 year, but no "Let's release yet another "definitive DBZ""
 
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New video from Geekdom with Ajay as a guest covering this.

 
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blondibear_17

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Stuff like this just stresses me out I honestly just get anxiety even thinking about it. My DBZ collection is a frankenstein of different parts of all the different dvd releases and blu-ray sets. I feel like Sailor Moon is not as bad as all that I mean at least the aspect ration isn't all messed up like Z is I guess the DNR is really controversial but maybe it's more Toei's fault I mean that is the common factor right?
 
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I can at least tolerate Viz's Sailor Moon DVDs (except for Vol. 1's windowboxing). They're not ideal, but they still feel like a decent SD presentation of the show, unlike the Blu-rays' disastrous attempt at an HD presentation. With DBZ, the Dragon Boxes are pretty much the only solid option in terms of picture quality, and they're long OOP (and lack the Nathan Johnson/Bruce Faulconer music for those that prefer it).
 

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I know Sailor Moon and DBZ are "old" shows and all that but why do they need to be so extra with trying to make them look contemporary? Do they not know that the people interested in these shows are also old and know what shows from back then look like?
 
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I know Sailor Moon and DBZ are "old" shows and all that but why do they need to be so extra with trying to make them look contemporary? Do they not know that the people interested in these shows are also old and know what shows from back then look like?
By that logic, then they might as well just just re-release the old releases and slap them on new media. Or better yet, just slap the "Rock the Dragon" release, the original in-house Funi dub of the Frieza arc (Toonami version), then the rest of the episodes so it'll be just like people remembered it.

Seriously, I simply cannot understand the problem here. Apparently you lose a little detail around the edge of the frames. This is not that big of a deal.

And now people are complaining about the company that created and released the anime using dub spellings. The same people who wanted the animation company to have more control over the product are now crying because TOEI stepped in and ruled against them, even though everyone is still going to use whatever spellings they want and everyone still knows who everyone is talking about.

Funny, I remember just a few years ago it was risible to boycott anime re-releases. Now, all of sudden, a DBZ Boycott is on the way because popular fans demand it.
 

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By that logic, then they might as well just just re-release the old releases and slap them on new media. Or better yet, just slap the "Rock the Dragon" release, the original in-house Funi dub of the Frieza arc (Toonami version), then the rest of the episodes so it'll be just like people remembered it.

Seriously, I simply cannot understand the problem here. Apparently you lose a little detail around the edge of the frames. This is not that big of a deal.

And now people are complaining about the company that created and released the anime using dub spellings. The same people who wanted the animation company to have more control over the product are now crying because TOEI stepped in and ruled against them, even though everyone is still going to use whatever spellings they want and everyone still knows who everyone is talking about.

Funny, I remember just a few years ago it was risible to boycott anime re-releases. Now, all of sudden, a DBZ Boycott is on the way because popular fans demand it.
Thats not really a problem in my opinion I mean basically Diskotek just slaps old license rescued titles on a blu-ray or dvd and people buy it as is. People have a right to voice their opinion considering it's a crowd sourced project.
 

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And now Japan is joining in on ruining shows in new ways.

One Piece:



This Blu-ray release will be based off the Special Edition from 2012 which was upscaled to HD (by Q-Tec again) and cropped to 16:9 widescreen for TV broadcast (same reason as DBZ Kai's Japanese broadcast in 2009). The weird thing is that they're releasing this in Standard Definition because despite Toei doing SD Blu-ray for a while, this part of the show already got it's "HD remaster" and has since been streaming the same way internationally (on Crunchyroll since 2015 under "Special Edition (HD)" and on Netflix since earlier this year) so with this, it's a downscale of a cropped upscale and it makes me wonder what will happen when they get to episode 207 onwards since that's when the show officially switched to 16:9 (though the R2 DVDs didn't switch until 229) and is Native HD.

Naruto:


Back in 2017, the first series got an upscaled HD broadcast on Animax Japan and was also cropped to 16:9 and is as bad as you would expect.

Comparison 1

Comparison 2: 4:3 DVD / 16:9 TV

Naruto was broadcast in 4:3 from episode 1 to episode 53 of Shippuden and the reason this cropping is becoming a big story now is because of this.


There's some conflicting information on whether or not it is the Animax version judging by from some of the clips posted so far (1, 2, 3) and this message from one of Viz's reps but it makes no sense to not only "accidentally" list 16:9 on the back cover but to later list it on the website as well so I guess we'll have to wait until someone gets their copy to find out.

As for the main topic of this thread, FUNi's re-releasing the DBZ anniversary "remaster" in Limited Edition Steelbooks here and in the UK while the latter is also getting it in Regular Edition sets (probably because they never got the 16:9 BDs).

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One Piece opening comparison

 
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I was watching Sailor Stars on the VIZ website and now I am wondering if the picture quality of the DVDs (not Blu-rays) look the same as it did on my iPad. The picture quality looked old and the colors washed out. I am on the fence about buying some of the VIZ DVDs. Thoughts, please?
 

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Sailor Stars on the Viz site via Hulu - Uses Viz's crap upscale that have been on Hulu since 2014-2016, same goes for the season 1-S discs.
Sailor Stars on Blu-ray & DVD - Uses the Japanese upscale that Toei sent to everyone in 2017, same goes for the SuperS discs.


As for streaming in Canada:

Sailor Moon on TubiTV (sub) - Uses Viz's crap upscale as on Hulu.
Sailor Moon on Crave (Viz dub) - Apparently uses the Japanese upscale.

 
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I have ordered the “S“ movie Blu-Ray.

I have not read any reviews about the audio or picture quality, but I have very high expectations.
 

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Speaking of Hulu, Viz's free streaming option is now gone.

Free Legal Streaming Anime Master List v2 - Fandom Post Forums

VIZ Media no longer has anime streaming anymore on their site (it was available for free via embedded Hulu player). Various URLs now redirects to VIZ: Watch Anime for Free. VIZ | Watch Hit Anime mentions their various streaming partners (Crunchyroll, Funimation, Hulu, Netflix, Pluto TV, Tubi, VUDU, HBO Max, The Roku Channel). VIZ's release calendar no longer has streaming listed (just Manga & Books, DVD & Blu-ray).

They haven't been updating their streaming release calendar. There is also the absence of Yashahime: Princess Half-Demon streaming on their site. It's not 100% clear if something else is going with Hulu (Sailor Moon Crystal is currently scheduled to expire in less than 7 days).

VIZ: Browse did a overhaul as well. It no longer list the following titles. The individual pages still exists. Streaming options still available for the various titles, but not all of them are free.
- Bakuman VIZ: Watch Bakuman。 Anime
- Blue Dragon VIZ: Watch Blue Dragon Anime
- Buso Renkin VIZ: Watch Buso Renkin Anime
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