Plot holes in the anime?

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MariaTenebre

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Well speaking about SuperS, I always had the feeling that all the season’s event is happening in less than a month during holidays. The inners seems to never go to school, never speak about her exams (which was a major point in S season), we never saw them in school uniforms and we never see any indication of season changes (no winter...).
For the movies, It is commonly assumed in Japon that movies are always “out of continuity”, the same goes with Dragon Ball ... you can always try to place them at certain points of the story or episode but there is always few points that doesn’t match. Most of the time when a movie is part of the continuity they officially announced it when they launch the movie.
For SM, the first 2 movies can be easily inserted in the main continuity but the 3 one just doesn’t work. Not just speaking about Pluto what about SM and SCM powers ? Moon gorgeous Mediation was basically a power who can be only used with Helios... and where the hell the second wand is coming from...
For those who absoluty want to insert it, well you have to make your own explanation about it. It’s just about having your own appreciation. There is not definitive truth... at least till someone official like Takeuchi or Toei telling it .
Well as for trhe third movie when it comes to Moon Gorgeous Meditation in this movie it was used by a different way not from Pegasus but from Super Sailor Moon and Chibi Moon combining their powers and all of the powers given to them by the Inners and Outers. The other Kaleidomoon Scope probably came from Usagi's powers she was sharing with Chibiusa.

Also again there is nothing saying that the first two movies can't be canon. The 3rd one can be argued but even still it could be explained away if you are creative.
 

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Well as for trhe third movie when it comes to Moon Gorgeous Meditation in this movie it was used by a different way not from Pegasus but from Super Sailor Moon and Chibi Moon combining their powers and all of the powers given to them by the Inners and Outers. The other Kaleidomoon Scope probably came from Usagi's powers she was sharing with Chibiusa.

Also again there is nothing saying that the first two movies can't be canon. The 3rd one can be argued but even still it could be explained away if you are creative.
As I already said there is nothing who says it isn’t but as well nothing who says it is. So debate is absoluty irrelevant lol
 

MementoNepenthe

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Apologies if this has been mentioned already, by the Rainbow Crystals thing is...well, not so much a plot hole exactly (at least pre-Stars), but more just flawed and not handled well?

The story goes that the Dark Kingdom had these Seven Shadow Warriors. Queen Serenity sealed them away using the Silver Crystal, but in doing so the crystal shattered into seven Rainbow Crystals, each crystal containing one of the Shadow Warriors. These crystals then found their way into seven Earthlings, all conveniently living simultaneously in contemporary Tokyo.

1) One of the carriers just happens to be the grandfather of the reincarnation of Sailor Mars? And no one comments on how weird that is?

2) If the Warriors were trapped INSIDE OF THE CRYSTALS, why do the carriers turn INTO the Warriors when their crystals are removed? Shouldn't Zoisite be releasing the trapped Warriors from their Rainbow Crystal prisons?

3) Why are the Warriors so....thematically modern? I mean, does it really make sense that there'd be an arcade-themed monster back in Silver Millennium times? Honestly, they're all so goofy, it's hard to believe they're supposed to be the Dark Kingdom's top, most #seriousbusiness monsters.

4) In the third-to-last episode where we're finally shown the fall of the Moon Kingdom, we don't see the Seven Shadow Warriors and Queen Serenity still clearly has the completely intact Silver Crystal. So.............
 

rgveda99

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I'll answer questions 1 and 3 for you.


1) One of the carriers just happens to be the grandfather of the reincarnation of Sailor Mars? And no one comments on how weird that is?
Reincarnation doesn't have any set of rules here other than the boring answer of plot device. Also :setsuna: is older than every other senshi. Souls don't travel at the same time.

Just FYI, one rule though in reincarnation in some Hindu-base religious organizations is that you can only reincarnate with the same species. So the caste system doesn't apply. It gets rid of the popular idea that when you die you'll end up born a rabbit, butterfly, roach, canary, ant or whatever species.

Now the other question would be why were they all born at the same time period? You can just point that to the Silver Crystal or possibly Queen Serenity's wishes.

3) Why are the Warriors so....thematically modern? I mean, does it really make sense that there'd be an arcade-themed monster back in Silver Millennium times? Honestly, they're all so goofy, it's hard to believe they're supposed to be the Dark Kingdom's top, most #seriousbusiness monsters.
I had this problem myself before joining SMF.

The Silver Millenium civilization was advanced. I think that was the animation directors fault for misinterpreting things. The people of the moon do skate too. Also :luna: gave :ami: an advanced mini computer. And the cats also were put in cryo stasis chambers.

Other information that they are advanced are in different adaptation like Another Story where :minako: has her own spaceship and in PGSM the palace and its cities were in domes.

I guess they kind of fixed this in Crystal where you can see the cats using computers.

Now if you look at it from a logical magical perspective, it was Nephrite who invented/magically conjured the black crystal. The magic used before the crystal was base on his own spell to - magnify the intended victim's psyche, persona, expertise and possibly hobbies.
 

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Well as for trhe third movie when it comes to Moon Gorgeous Meditation in this movie it was used by a different way not from Pegasus but from Super Sailor Moon and Chibi Moon combining their powers and all of the powers given to them by the Inners and Outers. The other Kaleidomoon Scope probably came from Usagi's powers she was sharing with Chibiusa.
I like this idea.
 
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MariaTenebre

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Apologies if this has been mentioned already, by the Rainbow Crystals thing is...well, not so much a plot hole exactly (at least pre-Stars), but more just flawed and not handled well?

The story goes that the Dark Kingdom had these Seven Shadow Warriors. Queen Serenity sealed them away using the Silver Crystal, but in doing so the crystal shattered into seven Rainbow Crystals, each crystal containing one of the Shadow Warriors. These crystals then found their way into seven Earthlings, all conveniently living simultaneously in contemporary Tokyo.

1) One of the carriers just happens to be the grandfather of the reincarnation of Sailor Mars? And no one comments on how weird that is?

2) If the Warriors were trapped INSIDE OF THE CRYSTALS, why do the carriers turn INTO the Warriors when their crystals are removed? Shouldn't Zoisite be releasing the trapped Warriors from their Rainbow Crystal prisons?

3) Why are the Warriors so....thematically modern? I mean, does it really make sense that there'd be an arcade-themed monster back in Silver Millennium times? Honestly, they're all so goofy, it's hard to believe they're supposed to be the Dark Kingdom's top, most #seriousbusiness monsters.

4) In the third-to-last episode where we're finally shown the fall of the Moon Kingdom, we don't see the Seven Shadow Warriors and Queen Serenity still clearly has the completely intact Silver Crystal. So.............
You do realize the Silver Millennium was highly futuristic so therefore having arcade themed monsters would fit as the Silver Millennium was highly advanced in magic and science.

Also as for the episode on the Silver Millennium I assumed that Queen Serenity both sent the people of the Silver Millennium along with the Seven Rainbow Crystal monsters to the future when she used the Crystal at that point on the show at the same time.
 

rgveda99

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I just make it my own fan hypothesis those heart crystals shine brightly and loses its luminosity once held in your arms. :mameshiba:

 
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You do realize the Silver Millennium was highly futuristic so therefore having arcade themed monsters would fit as the Silver Millennium was highly advanced in magic and science.
There’s a difference between being highly advance and predicting concepts that wouldn’t exist for centuries



Also as for the episode on the Silver Millennium I assumed that Queen Serenity both sent the people of the Silver Millennium along with the Seven Rainbow Crystal monsters to the future when she used the Crystal at that point on the show at the same time.
Everyone got sent to earth in the future to be reincarnated.
 

MariaTenebre

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There’s a difference between being highly advance and predicting concepts that wouldn’t exist for centuries





Everyone got sent to earth in the future to be reincarnated.
If they are highly advanced then they could have predicted concepts back then that wouldn't have existed for centuries. Modern humans could simply be reinventing what the Silver Millennium had. I mean it is possible that there are other planets that have similar cultural traditions and styles as us. We really don't know as it is possible for people to have similar ideas. Again given at how technologically advanced the Silver Millennium was I see no problem with them having many of the same inventions and styles as we did like arcades etc as they were more advanced then we are.
 

Onuzim Ima

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With all that ice and snow of the North Pole at her disposal, shouldn't :ami: have been able to actually curb-stomp the DK forces by forging the stuff into projectiles?

Then again, she's neither Katara nor Elsa. :lol:
 
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The Ranbow Crystal is full of inconsistencies, but half of the fun is trying to explain them away. I'll take a stab at a few.

2) If the Warriors were trapped INSIDE OF THE CRYSTALS, why do the carriers turn INTO the Warriors when their crystals are removed? Shouldn't Zoisite be releasing the trapped Warriors from their Rainbow Crystal prisons?
That's what I thought when I watched the show the first time. I couldn't understand why removing the crystals would turn humans into monsters and why the monsters weren't in the gems.

However, given that Sailor Moon turns into Princess Serenity as soon as the Silver Crystal appears before her, it's arguable it's actually that it's the power of the Rainbow Crystal that forces the Warrior soul to remain dormant in the human shell. Remove the Rainbow Crystal itself and the soul infuses the actual body of the carrier, much like how the Princess Serenity can only awaken with the presence of the Silver Crystal outside of her body. Given that the same is true of Small Lady, this is less of a hole but a brilliant piece of foreshadowing.



3) Why are the Warriors so....thematically modern? I mean, does it really make sense that there'd be an arcade-themed monster back in Silver Millennium times? Honestly, they're all so goofy, it's hard to believe they're supposed to be the Dark Kingdom's top, most #seriousbusiness monsters..
Well, the monsters are from the Dark Kingdom, so even if the Silver Millennium didn't have the cultural and technological know-how, who's to say the Dark Kingdom didn't have it (it would explain how they are able to operate modern-day schemes so well).

Aside from the possibility that the Silver Millennium or Dark Kingdom was at a technology level of our world, if not superior (which I like), one can also reason that the monstrous forms they took upon Rainbow Crystal extraction wasn't their complete form, but an incomplete form based on the actual warrior soul and the underlying human. Weren't these the first monsters that could only shout their name, Pokemon-style? Even the later human-turned-Youma didn't have this restriction, indicating that these warriors...came back wrong.

Given that Endymion is tasked with fusing the carriers and forcing them to into one great Youma which would theoretically slaughter our heroes, I think it's an indication the forms the Sailor Guardians were fighting weren't anywhere near their full potential. Like the heroes, they were still "half-asleep" and not completely awakened.


4) In the third-to-last episode where we're finally shown the fall of the Moon Kingdom, we don't see the Seven Shadow Warriors and Queen Serenity still clearly has the completely intact Silver Crystal. So.............
Well, this is an inconsistency no matter if the Rainbow Crystals are involved or not, because even without the arc, it would be unclear how the Silver Crystal would arrive on Earth. I've always fan-theorized that she split the Crystal after forcing everyone else to reincarnate, so the Crystal could be put back together and retrieved by the new owner on Earth. Otherwise it would just remain on the moon, inaccessible because it was a physical object.
 

MariaTenebre

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The whole comment about the Seven Rainbow Crystal monsters being to modern really isn't a plot hole. It has been shown in multiple adaptations that the Silver Millennium and Golden Kingdom were far more technologically advanced and magically advanced then the modern era so they could very well have arcades etc.
 

MariaTenebre

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I seem to remember once seeing a Geocities style "Anti-Sailor Moon Page" or the like, where they pointed out "why do the villains focus only on one town?"
I mean they focus on Japan because the series takes place in Japan. By extension I could say something like why do the villains on Power Rangers pretty much only focus on whatever American city that the show takes place in at the time. It was stated though that the Dark Kingdom did search the whole world for the Silver Crystal only to find out that it's location was in Japan. This was shown for instance with the Dark Agency's Japanese and Hawaiian branches which were fronts for the Dark Kingdom. I also believe the Shitennou searched for the Silver Crystal in their respective locations IE Jadeite in the Far East, Nephrite in North America, Zoisite in Europe and Kunzite in the Middle East. The Dark Kingdom also did attack London in the Sailor V flashback in the 90s anime. Then again that anti Sailor Moon website was probably unaware of that as the Sailor V episode was never dubbed in English by DiC back in the day and most anti Sailor Moon people tend to be rather ignorant on the series anyway. Then again many fans of the series don't know very much about the series I have seen sometimes too.
 
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I know this is for existing plot holes in the original anime, but I was thinking about a potential one in Crystal Season V. Mamoru is supposedly sending Usagi poste cards and no letters and he never calls from the USA. Crystal showed multiple times they are set in our modern word - how can there will be no messanger/ viber/ skype like video calls and how will that work. I guess he can simply send her texts with images and never calls or answers, but still it won't make much sense. It is a lot more difficult to dissapear in our world. I can almost see all mighty Galaxia tweeting from his account :lol:
 
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John

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I know this is for existing plot holes in the original anime, but I was thinking about a potential one in Crystal Season V. Mamoru is supposedly sending Usagi poste cards and no letters and he neer calls from the USA. Crystal showed multiple times they are sey in our modern word - how can there will be no like messanger/ iber/ skype like video calls and how will that work. I guess he can simply send her texts with images and never calls or answers, but still it won't be the same. It is a lot more difficult to dissapear in our world. I can almost see all mighty Galaxia tweeting from his account :lol:
People “ghost” each other all the time. I wonder what it would be like if Usagi were “blocked” by Mamoru etc.? Nowadays you can block someone’s number and their texts and calls just don’t reach you. I see what you mean, it’s harder to just disappear in today’s world — but it’s also incredibly easy to block or ignore someone and basically have THAT person disappear in some ways.
 
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I know this is for existing plot holes in the original anime, but I was thinking about a potential one in Crystal Season V. Mamoru is supposedly sending Usagi poste cards and no letters and he neer calls from the USA. Crystal showed multiple times they are sey in our modern word - how can there will be no like messanger/ iber/ skype like video calls and how will that work. I guess he can simply send her texts with images and never calls or answers, but still it won't be the same. It is a lot more difficult to dissapear in our world. I can almost see all mighty Galaxia tweeting from his account :lol:
I'd see that happening. Usagi having a messenger app on her phone but no texts from Mamoru. Mamoru goes to America, but where exactly?
 
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People “ghost” each other all the time. I wonder what it would be like if Usagi were “blocked” by Mamoru etc.? Nowadays you can block someone’s number and their texts and calls just don’t reach you. I see what you mean, it’s harder to just disappear in today’s world — but it’s also incredibly easy to block or ignore someone and basically have THAT person disappear in some ways.
I hope it will be like that, but so far they did a bad job incorporating technology, so I won't be surprised they simply forget they are set in modern world again.Like we have never seen Usagi and co having phones at all. Only Michiru had an Iphone.
 
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I hope it will be like that, but so far they did a bad job incorporating technology, so I won't be surprised they simply forget they are set in modern world again.Like we have never seen Usagi and co having phones at all. Only Michiru had an Iphone.
I disagree I think they did a good job in operating technology.Like Ami using a tablet in episode 7.