Pluto’s revival in the anime

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In the manga Pluto from the 30th Century is the one dies in the Black Moon arc and Pluto from Infinity ownard was her 20th century incarnation.

In the anime it was the Pluto reborn in the 20th Century who dies in S (which also probably should wipe future Pluto from existence) but then she shows up in Sailor Stars because....reasons ???
 
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In the anime it was the Pluto reborn in the 20th Century who dies in S (which also probably should wipe future Pluto from existence) but then she shows up in Sailor Stars because....reasons ???
You forgot also that she appears mysteriously from nowhere in the super s movie lol ... they never gave any reason excepted “how we thought you were dead”
 

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It's time travel, you need aspirins before discussing it.
 
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You forgot also that she appears mysteriously from nowhere in the super s movie lol ... they never gave any reason excepted “how we thought you were dead”
The movies aren’t really part of the main timeline. I know people will argue otherwise but it’s next impossible to fit the SuperS movie in when Haruka and Michiru are surprised to see Setsuna alive in Sailor Stars
 
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The movies aren’t really part of the main timeline. I know people will argue otherwise but it’s next impossible to fit the SuperS movie in when Haruka and Michiru are surprised to see Setsuna alive in Sailor Stars
I know but it was more a private joke ;). Well you can always find explanations like : maybe they re just surprised to see her in stars because she told them after the super s events that she was going for good In the future lol

Anyway Sailor Pluto back story in the classic anime is very bad. If you compare her role in the manga or in Crystal from the second season. That’s something else.
 

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The 20th

You forgot also that she appears mysteriously from nowhere in the super s movie lol ... they never gave any reason excepted “how we thought you were dead”
Actually, she mentions a "distortion in space time" that caused strange things to happen when Haruka and Michiru question her about her revival in Stars.
Since Galaxia confessed she revived Saturn as a soldier so she wouldn't have trouble with "an immature star seed", I believe she also manipulated things for Pluto to get revived.
 
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I don't think she was reborn in the 20th Century in the anime. I believe 30th Century Pluto simply went back in time and created a fake identity as Setsuna Meiou. and lived there till her "death" in the last episodes of S.

Also to French Fries and Chocolate the R and S movies can fit in the timeline it is only the SuperS one that has issues. Sailor Pluto's appearance being the biggest issue.

Actually, she mentions a "distortion in space time" that caused strange things to happen when Haruka and Michiru question her about her revival in Stars.
Since Galaxia confessed she revived Saturn as a soldier so she wouldn't have trouble with "an immature star seed", I believe she also manipulated things for Pluto to get revived.
When does Setsuna mention this specifically in Sailor Moon Sailor Stars and in what episode I would like to look it up?
 
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I think the role of Pluto is so much more interesting in Crystal and the manga.

I never understood why the classic anime treated actually the outers so bad... I mean after the third season (not speaking about the role of Pluto which is so insignificant in R season, to compare to the manga) it was clear that they were the stars of the show...

And the time stop of Pluto was so poorly executed is S ... to compare to the amazing scene in the Manga (and Crystal).

Anyway ...
 

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When does Setsuna mention this specifically in Sailor Moon Sailor Stars and in what episode I would like to look it up?
I don't remember the exact episode, but she says it in the same moment she appears before Haruka and Michiru, after saving them from the Mirror Paredri (Nehelennia's dolls) using Dead Scream in Stars.
 
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Also to French Fries and Chocolate the R and S movies can fit in the timeline it is only the SuperS one that has issues. Sailor Pluto's appearance being the biggest issue.

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Difference between being able to fit and actually being part of the main timeline. The R movie is essentially a remake of the Makai Tree arc (confirmed by the director) and the S movie is based on a Christmas side story from the manga.

Besides that in the R movie Usagi and Mamoru apparently met 10 years before the series even though episode 1 was their first meeting. And nobody even brings up Fiore’s resemblance to the Makai aliens as if the events didn’t happen in the movie’s timeline . There’s also no reference to the events of the movie in episode 89 which essentially served as a recap of the series so far as well as a sneak peak of S.
And I know people handwaved that after the Viluy episode the Guardian Senshi and the Outer Senshi met a truce but they honestly act much chummier in the movie than theu did at the Viluy movie. Plus there’s no mention of Hotaru at all someone Chibi Usa was incredibly worried about during the time of the series that fans have suggested the movie took place in relation to
 

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She did not die in season 3. It's just that she lost her carnal envelope. But she is not dead. Using the power to stop time, does not kill her in the anime, but deprives her of the faculty of having a carnal envelope in the real world. At the gate of time, she is immortal, I would say. Time has no hold on her, but on Earth, as a human, she loses her advantage.


The movies are not linked to the anime. What happens in the film SuperS does not count in the framework of the 200 episodes.
The only one who knew Pluto was not dead was Chibiusa, Uranus and Pluto thought she was dead (because of Pluto's sudden disappearance).
 

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Difference between being able to fit and actually being part of the main timeline. The R movie is essentially a remake of the Makai Tree arc (confirmed by the director) and the S movie is based on a Christmas side story from the manga.

Besides that in the R movie Usagi and Mamoru apparently met 10 years before the series even though episode 1 was their first meeting. And nobody even brings up Fiore’s resemblance to the Makai aliens as if the events didn’t happen in the movie’s timeline . There’s also no reference to the events of the movie in episode 89 which essentially served as a recap of the series so far as well as a sneak peak of S.
And I know people handwaved that after the Viluy episode the Guardian Senshi and the Outer Senshi met a truce but they honestly act much chummier in the movie than theu did at the Viluy movie. Plus there’s no mention of Hotaru at all someone Chibi Usa was incredibly worried about during the time of the series that fans have suggested the movie took place in relation to
I think those are rather silly statements to try and get it decanonized.

For one the R Movie isn't a remake but it is a movie inspired by the Makai Tree arc. If it is a remake because it has similar plots to the Makai Tree arc and thus non canon then so too is The Force Awakens for Star Wars as it is just a New Hope except worse.

Likewise for the R movie again they met as children. They may not necessarily remember each other at that point when the first met. You meet alot of people as kids that you may not remember in the moment as you grow up only to meet them later and perhaps you don't remember that first meeting. Usagi and Mamoru were insanely young when they met. They could have forgotten that meeting since it was a one time thing only to later on remember this later.

As for Fiore I don't see why Fiore's resemblance to the Makai Tree aliens not being brought up is a reason to decanonize it. There are plently of characters in Sailor Moon who are essentially spitting images of other characters but people don't bring up their resemblances. Hikaru Sorano aka Minako's best friend looks exactly alike Ami just with black hair and green eyes. Hell Umino has basically three clones of him in the series. Minako's friend Gurikazu Amano and Chibiusa's friend Gurio Sorano. Yeah the little nerd boy in Chibiusa's class who looks just like Umino and acts like him is literally named Gurio Sorano the same first name of Umino and yet Chibiusa dosen't mention at all that said little boy is practically a clone of that nerdy boy that hangs around both Usagi and the other one around Minako. Hell in the Sailor V manga Minako's father is basically a twin of Usagi's dad Kenji. They look exactly alike and yet Minako never mentions this to Usagi. I mean Usagi and Minako's dad's look identical to the point they could literally be twins separated at birth who never knew one another not to mention Umino's clones either. It could be that either they didn't think to mention his resemblance to Al and En or thought about it off screen because again quite a few people in Sailor Moon are clones both in how they look and the way they act on Sailor Moon and no one mentions it. Plus the movie is obviously canon to Sailor Moon R because Usagi has her Crystal Star brooch and her Cutie Moon Rod which she got in the Makai Tree Arc. I mean if you want to be pedantic you could make more of a case about Sailor Moon S not being canon to the first two seasons as in the Makai Tree arc Luna said that only Usagi could use the Disguise Pen and yet in Sailor Moon S on the episode where Kaolinite is defeated for the first time Minako is able to use it to transform into the fake Sailor Moon. That is a rather larger plot hole then them not thinking to ask about Fiore's resemblance to Al and En or Usagi and Mamoru forgetting that they met each other when they were insanely young as many people do. I mean there were some people trying to say that the Makai Tree arc was retconned out of canon in the 90s anime simply because it wasn't mentioned in the Sailor Moon SuperS TV special when Usagi and Chibiusa were recapping their adventures in the series. They only talked about them battling The Dark Kingdom, The Black Moon Clan and the Death Busters with no mention being made of the Makai Tree or Al and En and I think we all know how silly that is.

Likewise for the S movie the Outers and the Inners could act chummy even when they had beef with one another. Besides they didn't really interact much until the big battles happened so they could be nice to one another in that instance. Likewise Chibiusa I am sure could be worried about Hotaru but she is also trying to live on witrh her life and keep positive. I think there was even this one point in S where she tried to fake she was ok after Hotaru's disappearance when she wasn't. So I am sure she is still upset with Hotaru's disappearance as say Usagi was with Mamoru's disappearance in the first season and they both showed moments of depression but they also weren't in total depression all of the time because they were trying to live their life and keep carrying on.
 
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The only movie that you really can't fit into the series is SuperS. Also, I've never heard of Ikuhara calling the R movie an adaptation of the Makai Tree arc before.
 

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The only movie that you really can't fit into the series is SuperS. Also, I've never heard of Ikuhara calling the R movie an adaptation of the Makai Tree arc before.
Apparently he referred to the Sailor Moon R movie as a "renewal" (written in katakana) of the Ail and En arc. Source.

What he actually meant of course is vague in typical Ikuhara fashion, but you do get the sense that the movie is meant to encapsulate not only that arc, but a lot of the themes from the first season. Also Fiore and the Xenian flower share the same voice actors as Ail and En to drive the parallels even more.

Also regarding how the movies fit into canon... Most movies of popular anime series in general don't really care about continuity because they don't want viewers to be locked out if they haven't watched the latest episode. They're basically created independent from the series, which should tell you everything about the canonicity of these films.
 
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It’s useless to try to claim if the movies are canon or not... basically all movies from TOEI during this time, like from Dragon Ball or Saint Seiya used the same principle. Yeah of course you can always try to place them between 2 episodes etc ... but there is always something which is not working or characters missing etc...

No one has the answer. You can decide for yourself whatever the heck you want + They never established an official answer anyway about their “canoncity”... the 3 movies have at the end absolutely NO IMPACT at all on the series in general. They are never mentioned, characters appearing insides are never mentioned again or shown.... do you own canon :)
 
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