Profits Naoko Will Possibly Get From Eternal (Speculation)

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So is Naoko putting money into these movies? Since anime films are much more expensive to make than episodes and it's not just one movie, it's two which seems like a big investment.

I do wonder why she would choose Toei again but it probably came down to money but then that's also confusing as well. Why would Toei wager a big price tag for Sailor Moon when some say they didn't have much faith in the show as it's not one of its top earners to begin with?
 
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I am speculating here, but making anime isn’t as cheap or easy as in the 90’s.

I have read somewhere, probably here, that Madhouse was able to produce the new “Cardcaptor Sakura” anime so flawlessly because it partnered with NHK.
 

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I always find these things so confusing. If Naoko has control over everything then why is Toei to blame for the way Crystal turned out?

In any case, I doubt her getting one percent would matter (even though I don't think that's the case), she's already hella rich anyways so that spare change won't matter to her anyways.
When I said Toei wasn't the only one to blame, someone said they were going to add me into the ignore list lol There's no reason for Toei to spend on the Eternal movies the same amount of budget they would spend on the Doremi movie, to mention an example. Naoko is getting really high fees since the 20th anniversary relaunch, Toei just isn't going to make as much money as they wished they would.
 

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It is also a fact that international distributors have to negotiate with her to license the manga and anime in foreign markets, as many people here have stated multiple times.
Actually, that's the case with the manga.
When It comes to the anime, both 90s and Crystal, they're supposed to reach out to Toei first. And then, it's up to Naoko/PnP to approve the deal or not.
PnP/Naoko might own a stake of the old anime, but they're not in full control of it like Studio Khara/Anno are with Evangelion.
 
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When I said Toei wasn't the only one to blame, someone said they were going to add me into the ignore list lol There's no reason for Toei to spend on the Eternal movies the same amount of budget they would spend on the Doremi movie, to mention an example. Naoko is getting really high fees since the 20th anniversary relaunch, Toei just isn't going to make as much money as they wished they would.
Correct

Sailor Moon is still a house name, but TOEI spends far more money on Precure, Saint Seiya, Dragon Ball, and One Piece.
 
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I think at the end of the day the failure of Crystal was probably a plethora of issues from both Toei, Naoko and production committees. We can probably thank (blame) Naoko for the strict 1:1 adaptation and Senshi Shittenou love story. However they could have avoided it being as bad as it was if they had hired a more competent writer. On the animation end, I think that is solely Toei’s failure. For some reason, 2014 was a really bad year for them. If you take a look at the anime they made that year; even their big like franchises Dragon Ball Super and ONE PIECE, to smaller ones like Workd Trigger and Digimon Tri. They were all plagued with sub par to down right bad animation. Perhaps they took on more than they could chew, spread their resources too thin.

At the end of the day we will probably never know the full picture
 
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If you read Naoko’s notes from “The Lover of Princess Kaguya,” you will notice that she very much wanted not only to have the S movie based on a story written by her but also that she very much wanted to have the manga chapters adapted as she wrote, 1:1 adaptation. I love Crystal, the finished product, and by that I mean the DVDs. I also prefer “Crysternal” over the 90’s anime, but that’s me, personally. I also believe the four generals play a greater role in the manga as Endymion’s guardians and, for me, it makes sense to pair them with the senshi, Princess Serenity’s guardians.
 
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When I said Toei wasn't the only one to blame, someone said they were going to add me into the ignore list lol There's no reason for Toei to spend on the Eternal movies the same amount of budget they would spend on the Doremi movie, to mention an example. Naoko is getting really high fees since the 20th anniversary relaunch, Toei just isn't going to make as much money as they wished they would.
That doesn't make sense though. (Not saying that's not the case, just that if it is, it doesn't make sense.) Giving Sailor Moon projects a lower budget because their share of the profits won't be as high as it would be on other projects results in products of inferior quality that are both going to generate less revenue *and* tarnish the studio's reputation, making subsequent projects less profitable and harder to secure in the long run. Even if Toei isn't going to make as much from a Sailor Moon movie as it would from a PreCure movie, they're certainly not going to lose their investment and the cost would be worth it to maintain their reputation as a studio that makes quality movies/TV series.
 
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Does Eternal look inferior to a recent PreCure movie? I never watched an entire PC movie and I only know some attacks and henshin and scenes by Naotoshi Shida.
I don’t think anyone can say until we actually see the whole thing. However I’m going to go out on a limb and say I think judging from the bits we have been able to see that the Precure movies are of a higher quality. I’m sure the key parts of Eternal will be of a high quality but some of it looks.. not that great. Especially the transformations. Precure blows them out of the water. However we’re any of us really expecting a masterpiece? It’ll be of a higher quality than season 3 (which was already big improvement over the first two seasons) but best to be realistic.
 

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It never fails to crack me up when Sailor Moon fans compare Sailor Moon Eternal to Precure Movies when they’ve openly admitted they’ve never even watch a single episode of Precure...

For example, the transformations that appear in the Precure movies are taken DIRECTLY from the series’ stock footage used in every episode.
 
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That doesn't make sense though. (Not saying that's not the case, just that if it is, it doesn't make sense.) Giving Sailor Moon projects a lower budget because their share of the profits won't be as high as it would be on other projects results in products of inferior quality that are both going to generate less revenue *and* tarnish the studio's reputation, making subsequent projects less profitable and harder to secure in the long run. Even if Toei isn't going to make as much from a Sailor Moon movie as it would from a PreCure movie, they're certainly not going to lose their investment and the cost would be worth it to maintain their reputation as a studio that makes quality movies/TV series.
As I stated, I prefer “Crysternal” over the 90’s anime, but TOEI tarnished its reputation as a studio when it aired unfinished episodes of Crystal and made fans wait two weeks for each episode. I even lost interest in 2014.

I am thankful to TOEI for Crystal, I love Crystal now that I have the DVDs with the finished episodes, but I have lost a lot of respect for TOEI for how it handled SMC seasons 1-2—my favorite seasons/arcs.
 
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I don’t get it when people see the DVD version of Crystal as a much better show. Sure, thez fixed some ugly frames (some fixes though made it even worse). But that’s just cosmetics and doesn’t make it significantly better.
For me, the experience is significantly better, not only aesthetically, but because I can binge-watch the episodes and watch each arc in three days. I like each arc of Crystal exactly as it is, short and straightforward.

The 90’s anime has some excellent episodes, but it also has a lot of filler and I do not like the monster of the day approach.
 
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For example, the transformations that appear in the Precure movies are taken DIRECTLY from the series’ stock footage used in every episode.
:rofl:

It's kind of like the same with PGSM. Some fans think it's like Power Rangers. Admittedly though I had that impression too but only because my first exposure to PGSM was an AMV of it with the Power Rangers soundtrack. It did took me some time to watch PGSM because of reading a lot of good feedback from other fans here.

Pretty Cure is good though. I've only watched a few episodes, random battle/henshin footage in Youtube and a few of the movies. I'm really impressed with the animation.
 

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:rofl:

It's kind of like the same with PGSM. Some fans think it's like Power Rangers. Admittedly though I had that impression too but only because my first exposure to PGSM was an AMV of it with the Power Rangers soundtrack. It did took me some time to watch PGSM because of reading a lot of good feedback from other fans here.

Pretty Cure is good though. I've only watched a few episodes, random battle/henshin footage in Youtube and a few of the movies. I'm really impressed with the animation.
I’m a huge Precure fan that have watched most seasons from beginning to end as well as most movies. It’s true that some of the animation in the fight scenes are unparalleled, but it makes my brain hurt when I see Sailor Moon fans watch ONE clip of Precure and assume the entire series is like that. Precure, like any long running anime production, can be incredibly hit or miss. There are seasons that have messy production and it has quite a few films that are not “”””movie quality”””” (a lot of the All Stars films look terrible tbh).

I’ve suffered through quite a few of Toei’s misfires including Digimon Adventure Tri. Trust me, when I say we’re getting it GOOD with Eternal.
 
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