Pros and cons of Sailor Moon’s license revival

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Pros:
Seeing Sailor Moon merch in retail stores after about a decade of Sailor Moon being non-existent is nice

A “proper” subtitle release of all 200 episodes and all the movies and specials. As opposed to only the first four series (episode 67 excluded) and three movies. Also Toei giving proper masters instead of missing stuff like the next episode previews and S only having the 3rd OP.

Cons:
“This video contains copyright content from Viz media, who blocked it in your country on copyright grounds”

Back in a golden era of Youtube (before the site got flooded with ill informed political hot takes and took the copyright thing out of hand) Sailor Moon both the Optimum dub and the Japanese version were readily viewable and there was a real sense of community as fellow fans could enjoy the long forgotten (at the time) series together.

5 years later from its rerelease announcement and the series that ended in 1997 is only now wrapping up
 
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Cons:
“This video contains copyright content from Viz media, who blocked it in your country on copyright grounds”

Back in a golden era of Youtube (before the site got flooded with ill informed political hot takes and took the copyright thing out of hand) Sailor Moon both the Optimum dub and the Japanese version were readily viewable and there was a real sense of community as fellow fans could enjoy the long forgotten (at the time) series together.
Really? Because I remember that era and those videos weren't exactly safe either since Toei would occasionally do the same thing and, because there was no region-blocking at the time (that was a later addition to YouTube's policy), they would be straight up pulled from the site with account strikes given to those who posted them. A lot of people thought at first that it had to do with FUNimation since they themselves were doing the same thing to YouTube & torrent sites over other anime they ended up picking up and this was also not long after their May 2009 poll which had redubs for Sailor Moon & Initial D listed but nope, nothing happened except with the latter series and some other choices in that poll.

5 years later from its rerelease announcement and the series that ended in 1997 is only now wrapping up
With this con, there is a pro that came out of it and it's that they got the Japanese upscale masters for the SuperS & Stars discs (which looks better than on Hulu and also matches what Australia has for those same seasons) with the only con now depending on if they re-release & "fix" seasons 1-S or not.

Hulu (above) & Blu-ray (below) comparison:

 
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Really? Because I remember that era and those videos weren't exactly safe either since Toei would occasionally do the same thing and, because there was no region-blocking at the time ]
LMFAO, before Viz acquired the license I never once encountered a problem with watching Sailor Moon subbed or dubbed on Youtube. I’m sure there were times when Toei exterted their ownerships and got episodes pulled but it barely did anything. Certainly not to the extent that it does NOW where its impossible to find any episodes that isn’t horribly altered in some way or were we’re getting to the point that Viz is blocking clips that last less than couple minute even of dubs they’re not selling.
 

julayla

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Another con is this: Outside of a few Crystal albums on itunes, we're not getting any of the official Sailor Moon albums brought here to America officially (nor are we ever getting ports of the video games they license, not counting Sailor Moon Drops). Same goes with Sailor Moon 4D being Japan only
 
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The only pro is that some fans are starting to support the franchise and reject fan subs of episodes they've already pirated. However, far too many fans use "the translation is wonky" to justify piracy. You all said you would stop once you got the original product. Now you have it and you're still pirating.

Cons:
“This video contains copyright content from Viz media, who blocked it in your country on copyright grounds”

Back in a golden era of Youtube (before the site got flooded with ill informed political hot takes and took the copyright thing out of hand) Sailor Moon both the Optimum dub and the Japanese version were readily viewable and there was a real sense of community as fellow fans could enjoy the long forgotten (at the time) series together.

5 years later from its rerelease announcement and the series that ended in 1997 is only now wrapping up
What makes it worse is those fan communities were the only communities the old dub had left.

Now, between Viz and the Sailor Moon fan propaganda machine made sure to "educate" why the dub is awful, not only can you not enjoy a dub product, you can't even form a community. For all of the talk of people who want a faithful dub to have a "choice" they worked to eliminate the choice.

LMFAO, before Viz acquired the license I never once encountered a problem with watching Sailor Moon subbed or dubbed on Youtube. I’m sure there were times when Toei exterted their ownerships and got episodes pulled but it barely did anything. Certainly not to the extent that it does NOW where its impossible to find any episodes that isn’t horribly altered in some way or were we’re getting to the point that Viz is blocking clips that last less than couple minute even of dubs they’re not selling.
Agreed. Once Content ID was implemented, anything that was completely unedited got an instant-Toei block, but AMVs, clips, and episodes that were slightly modified were easy to find. Viz, on the other hand, took it to unprecedented levels.

Viz didn't stop with people uploading entire episodes, or even substantial clips. They went after anything that even approached Sailor Moon. They even yanked my quick sound replacement clips (which had AWFUL video quality) that were private videos and had been uploaded for years.

It's not just me. They took down Moon Animate Make Up. They put their foot down and even got SMA's Sailor Moon live action movie yanked from YouTube. A fan movie that was covered on mainstream sites and used no assets from the anime was shut down by Viz. I am not fan of SMA, but to take down their movie was an overreach.

Fan projects suffered heavily ever since the license was reactivated. Before the license was, fans were making new material. Now, almost any new material gets a copyright claim and people's hard work goes up into flame. Maybe because the fan projects were getting millions of views while Viz's official clips weren't as popular.

I'm pretty sure I mentioned this would happen and people called me paranoid. It would be nice if someone admitted I was right.
 

Tuxedo Kevin

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Pros: Finally a semi-faithful dub for English-speaking fans to enjoy (even though the acting isn't that great) and Stars finally released in English-speaking territories.
Cons: Episodes harder to find on the Internet. I hate the Brazilan dub for R-Stars, and used to watch episodes with original audio subtitled in English. Now this is a hard task to do, and Portuguese subtitles for the R season are a bit hard to find.
 
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julayla

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What makes it worse is those fan communities were the only communities the old dub had left.

Now, between Viz and the Sailor Moon fan propaganda machine made sure to "educate" why the dub is awful, not only can you not enjoy a dub product, you can't even form a community. For all of the talk of people who want a faithful dub to have a "choice" they worked to eliminate the choice.
Yeah, I know how that feels. Being given no choice on what dub to watch by eliminating the old dub completely and being forced to like it by everyone saying you're suppose to hate it and not have an opinion about the DIC/Cloverway dub is another con that needs to be addressed. It's like eliminating the dub of Samurai Pizza Cats or the old dub of Cardcaptor Sakura!
 

Tuxedo Kevin

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Yeah, I know how that feels. Being given no choice on what dub to watch by eliminating the old dub completely and being forced to like it by everyone saying you're suppose to hate it and not have an opinion about the DIC/Cloverway dub is another con that needs to be addressed. It's like eliminating the dub of Samurai Pizza Cats or the old dub of Cardcaptor Sakura!
I personally think that would be a contribution to humanity. :lol:
 
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Pro: All 200 episodes, subtitled, on a legal streaming website.
Con: Dubious video and subtitle quality of those streams.
Is there anything specific about the subtitles you didn’t like?

The only thing I can think of I had a problem with was the dumb subtitling the characters saying blatant english dialog with completely different English words (Usagi saying “Lucky”’ in plain as day English being subtitled as “Score” for example) but ADV and Pioneer did that too at times just not as bad

Also Viz revising Sailor Moon’s speeches where they make more sense but they’re not faithful to what she’s actually saying and something that should have been dub only.
 

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Is there anything specific about the subtitles you didn’t like?

The only thing I can think of I had a problem with was the dumb subtitling the characters saying blatant english dialog with completely different English words (Usagi saying “Lucky”’ in plain as day English being subtitled as “Score” for example) but ADV and Pioneer did that too at times just not as bad

Also Viz revising Sailor Moon’s speeches where they make more sense but they’re not faithful to what she’s actually saying and something that should have been dub only.
Odd little things here and there such as a the businessman in episode 186 leading a large "combine" or the "PC network drinking party" from episode 186. Overall, they're better than the old Kodansha Comics translation, I do admit.