Queen Serenity Stars arc

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MariaTenebre

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Hi guys there is something I was curious of. In the Stars arc of the manga at the very end Guardian Cosmos says to Sailor Moon that basically Queen Serenity referred to as a Shining Heavenly Body came to the cauldron with a small fragment of a small Heavenly Body and it was said that this Heavenly Body had the same shine as Sailor Moon. This is a very strange scene and I have heard different things about it. One I heard that this was how Princess Serenity was conceived during the Silver Millennium and that Princess Serenity was born through a virgin birth. I also heard that this refers to Queen Serenity on her death returning to the Galaxy Cauldron with the Silver Crystal so as to make sure that Princess Serenity is reincarnated in the future. Does anyone know what this scene means?
 
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Akari @ria

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i think is simply when, in the past, silver millennium princess was born. Queen Serenity probably had gone into the cauldron for take her and welcome her because is a new life with a special meaning, For her she is a beloved daughter besides an important life for the sake of the future. Someone precious to protect.
In the first edition of the Manga in italy Guardian Cosmos say:
once there came a star with a luminous appearance like yours
She held a small star close to his chest
The small star also had your own splendor Sailor Moon.

in the reprint she say:
in the past there was a shining star coming here in the form of a complete star, like all of you
in his chest she held the shadow of a small star
even that star had a strong glow like yours, Sailor Moon.

i hope it help you.
 

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The meaning of the scene in question depends on your own interpretation, to be honest. What we know for a fact is that in the past (exactly when, we're not sure -- I used to think this was before Queen Serenity settled down on the Moon but it might've been after her death post-Silver Millennium), Queen Serenity visited the Galaxy Cauldron carrying a "husk of a star" or a "fledgling star" or some kind of small light, and the Guardian states it was similar to the glow/shine of Sailor Moon's light.

The general interpretation of this scene is that Queen Serenity visited the Cauldron with the Silver Crystal and/or the essence of Serenity in an attempt to "create a new history for the stars" (that's another line that's been thrown around from one of the old English versions of the manga).

I interpret this scene as Queen Serenity creating either her daughter or ensuring that her daughter's reincarnation will have the Silver Crystal as her Sailor Crystal. We don't see Sailor Moon during the events of the Silver Millennium and the Silver Crystal isn't depicted as Serenity's Sailor Crystal, but it is depicted as Usagi's/Sailor Moon's Sailor Crystal. It could be that Queen Serenity created Serenity artificially, maybe as a clone of herself, or like you said Maria gave birth to her immaculately. But also like you suggested, it could've been Queen Serenity visiting post-mortem and trying to ensure that Serenity's reincarnation will become Sailor Moon.
 

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For anyone interested, here's what Guardian Cosmos says:

むかし おまえたちのように 完全な星の姿で ここへやってきた 輝く星があったわ
Mukashi omae-tachi no yō ni kanzen'na hoshi no sugata de koko e yattekita kagayaku hoshi ga atta wa.

その胸に 小さな星の ぬけがらを 抱きしめて
Sono mune ni chīsana hoshi no nuke-gara o dakishimete

その星もやはり おまえと同じ 強い輝きを もっていたわ セーラームーン
Sono hoshi mo yahari omae to onaji tsuyoi kagayaki o motte ita wa sērāmūn

わたしのもとへ やってきたと いーフことは
Watashi no moto e yattekita to i ̄fu koto wa

その命を このコルドロンの はじまりの 海へすて
Sono inochi o kono korudoron no hajimari no umi e sute

あたらしい 星の歴史を はじめたいと いーつこと?
Atarashī hoshi no rekishi o hajimetai to i ̄tsu koto?

それとも そのままの星の姿で ここから 立ち去って いきたいのかしら?
Soretomo sonomama no hoshi no sugata de koko kara tachisatte ikitai no kashira?

My translation (based on Google, Bing, and Excite):

Once upon a time, there was a shining star that came here in the form of a perfect star like you, hugging a little star's head to her chest. That star also had the same strong sparkle as you, Sailor Moon. *Finally, that star came to me and threw her life into the primordial sea of this Cauldron. Do you want to start a new star's history? Or do you want to leave here in the same form of a star?

Based on the images shown, it's clear to me that Queen Serenity is bringing the infant Princess Serenity to the Galaxy Cauldron, so this is not showing her birth as she's already been born. And given that we're seeing the infant princess, and given that she and the queen are smiling, it's also reasonable to infer that this scene does not occur after the fall of Silver Millennium. Why Queen Serenity brought her daughter to the Galaxy Cauldron, however, is not exactly clear.

*ETA - After checking, the line I've crossed out is translated by both Tokyopop and Kodansha as being in reference to Sailor Moon, and not Queen Serenity, which I think actually makes a lot more sense. Miss Dream's translation of this scene, which I think John and some others may be looking at, is just patently wrong and should be ignored. My amended translation is: Finally, that star has come back here to throw her life into the primordial sea of this Cauldron.
 
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^In that case, it might have something to do with Queen Serenity making plans or a contract to have her daughter eventually, in some form or another, become Sailor Cosmos in the future. We can only speculate. I don't remember seeing an image of the infant herself -- I only remember vague images in this scene -- but it's been a long time since I've read the manga.

EDIT: I can see now there's clearly an image of baby Serenity...but something odd: on the same page, Guardian Cosmos explains that the woman who visited her (Queen Serenity) told her she would stay and her life was swept away by the waters of the cauldron, in order to create a new history/life for the "star" she was carrying in her arms. So that, to me, makes it seem like she visited the Cauldron after the Silver Millennium fell with Serenity being just recently reborn. Or maybe it's all just symbolism not meant to be taken literally? In either way, it's odd that this would be before the Silver Millennium if Queen Serenity sacrificed herself at that time, but it doesn't add up if Serenity was already reborn...which makes me think the images seen aren't necessarily meant to be literal.
 
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John

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Yes I was using the MD translation, didn’t realize it was faulty. I can’t wait to see how the new edition handles this scene.

At any rate, we know for a fact that QS visited the cauldron. I still believe it has something to do with Sailor Moon’s ultimate destiny, but what that means is anyone’s guess. Passages like this are why I love the Stars arc and I love examining the text like this.

Great thread, Maria.
 
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Yes, I have to check how Flanagan translated it as the new translation of that part is a year away. I just saw that they won't be released ince a month... How can u expect of this fandom not to be bitter when everything about the franchise gers delayed and as slow as it can be.
 
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Yes I was using the MD translation, didn’t realize it was faulty. I can’t wait to see how the new edition handles this scene.

At any rate, we know for a fact that QS visited the cauldron. I still believe it has something to do with Sailor Moon’s ultimate destiny, but what that means is anyone’s guess. Passages like this are why I love the Stars arc and I love examining the text like this.

Great thread, Maria.
Miss Dreams transactions can be very wonky, or faulty.This is why personally don't use her transactions as references or viewing.
 

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For those interested, this is the current official translation of the scene in question:

Long ago, there was another shining heavenly body that came here, in perfected form like all of you. Cradling a fragment of a small heavenly body to her chest, that heavenly body had the same powerful luminescence as you, Sailor Moon. So... That you have come here to me, does that mean you want to discard your life into the Cauldron's sea of beginnings, and start a fresh history of new heavenly bodies? Or would you like to leave here, retaining your current heavenly body forms?

The wording is very clunky, but it seems accurate to me. Here's the Tokyopop translation:

Long ago, a shining star came here. She was carrying a small star's shell. That star had a shine similar to yours, Sailor Moon. So... So, you came here to throw your life into the Cauldron and start a new star's history? Or do you wish to live here as you are?

Obviously this translation is a lot more simplified, but the only significant difference is in the final sentence. Whereas she asks Sailor Moon (and company) if they want to be reincarnated (at least, that's my understanding of her question) in the Kodansha translation, in the Tokyopop translation, she asks if they want to just remain in the Cauldron indefinitely.

And, to compare to my amalgam translation:

Once upon a time, there was a shining star that came here in the form of a perfect star like you, hugging a little star's head to her chest. That star also had the same strong sparkle as you, Sailor Moon. Finally, that star has come back here to throw her life into the primordial sea of this Cauldron. Do you want to start a new star's history? Or do you want to leave here in the same form of a star?

Kodansha's translation says Queen Serenity was cradling a "fragment" of a star and Tokyopop's says she was carrying a star's "shell", whereas from Google, etc.'s translations, my understanding was she was "hugging a little star's head to her chest." So I decided to look up the word in question, ぬけがら (抜け殻) nuke-gara. According to various dictionaries (and a Google image search), this word refers to the exuvia, or the exoskeleton shed by an insect when molting, or to the slough (the shed skin of a snake). Based on that definition, I'd have to say Kodansha's use of "fragment" is inaccurate, with Tokyopop's use of "shell" being the more correct. It seems like a very odd word choice to me, but maybe one of our more Japanese proficient members can attest to other usages of the word that I'm just not finding? In any case, if Queen Serenity came to the Cauldron with the exuvia of a little star, then....what does that mean? That there was a star, and then it shed, and Queen Serenity went to the Cauldron to...fill the shed skin??? I honestly don't know what to make of it.

We need Naoko to come to Anime Expo or some other convention next year and for someone to ask her about this scene xD
 

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I think it's meant to be more figurative language than anything else, not literally a star that shed its skin. It seems more like a Star Seed ("star" in this context, given Guardian Cosmos' language, refers to life in the galaxy that has a Star Seed) that is empty or just a husk/shell. This makes me think that Princess Serenity really was made artificially/perhaps was cloned and was only made whole when/after Queen Serenity took her to the Galaxy Cauldron. Of course we have no indication that anything happened to the infant Serenity at the Cauldron -- but I don't think QS would take her there (specifically her when she was not "whole" or when she was just a "shell", just a clone perhaps, just Queen Serenity's cast-off husk with no individuality of its own yet) for no reason.
 
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This is why I want Slver Millenium Prequel. It is all so vague and intriguing. Even if Naoko do a prequel now it might not be what she envisioned such a long time ago. But the she might surprise us.
 
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This is why I want Slver Millenium Prequel. It is all so vague and intriguing. Even if Naoko do a prequel now it might not be what she envisioned such a ling time ago.
I think a SM prequel set during the original Silver Millenium would amazing!
 

MariaTenebre

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I would add that do we know that Queen Serenity wished to throw herself into the cauldron after she brought the shell of a star with the same luminescence as Usagi. It dosen't look to me that Queen Serenity was said to have done that rather it was assumed that Usagi, Mamoru and her Senshi wanted to do this I don't know if it was stated that Queen Serenity wished to go back in the cauldron to start a new destiny?