Sailor Moon Concept Artwork

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onesurvive

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I'm not sure how to sugar coat this (and not sure if this is even necessary), so I'll get straight to the point. If you have an actual passion for art, then ten years is more than enough time to learn how to draw from a scratch, get enrolled into art school, graduate, get a dozen different jobs in art & design industry, open and close your own art studio, have your own kids and teach them how to draw, invent your own art style and write a book about it, even for somebody who had zero art skills in the beginning.

But after whole ten years passing all I see is that your drawings still look like low qaulity amateur works of somebody who only started to learn drawing a couple months ago, at best.
WOW you have got to be joking! Your "criticism" comes across as "just give up because you suck". Where have you seen my art 10 years ago? I should actually post something here from that time to SHOW improvement.

I DON'T want to have my own studio or comic I do it for fun. Your opinions are COMPLETELY unwanted and your assumptions are wrong. I'd love to see someone draw like this from a "few months". This attack against my art was completely disgusting.... don't like it? don't say anything, but to tell me I have no talent is quite rude regardless how you attempt to claim its "criticism".

Anyway I shouldn't even be bothering with someone's "criticism" when they cant even spell the word correctly....:umno:
 
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This is not a personal attack. It's valid critisism, and if you know how to handle it, it may be way more useful for you than all that silly praise coming from people who just don't want to offend you and tell the truth.
This is completely a personal attack. Your criticism is condescending and rude AT BEST. Who are you to tell somebody else that people are lying about enjoying their work? Or to tell somebody that their work is “sad” or to make assumptions about their art or what they want?

What a joke.
 

onesurvive

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This is completely a personal attack. Your criticism is condescending and rude AT BEST. Who are you to tell somebody else that people are lying about enjoying their work? Or to tell somebody that their work is “sad” or to make assumptions about their art or what they want?
thank you! I really don't give a flying **** what this person thinks but like come on... criticism is telling someone they are on the right track but suggesting improvements... not flat out telling them they up right are horrible. There is a fine line between criticism and bullying. I know I am not the BEST artist but I spend time trying and have fun with it on my spare time.
 
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John

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#24
I want to put this out there first: Onesurvive, I like your art style. It's something different from what you usually see and I appreciate that.

My personal opinion on Mara's post is that HOW he delivered his message maybe went a bit overboard...but, all the same, I understand what he is saying and I'm worried you don't understand it. Here's the thing: the art you posted the other day, and the artwork you shared with us in February, looks like it might as well have been made back in 2009 when you made the very first post in this thread. (EDIT: I'm just seeing now that the first page has been edited...and there is a "2014" on one of the pieces. So have you gone back and edited that first post from 2009 with newer artwork? Because if so, then nevermind.)

Now, in some ways, that can be a good thing. It means you're consistent. You picked a style and you're sticking with it.

I think what Mara is trying to say is this: 10 or so years later, ideally your work should look a bit different. But I'm seeing that the colors, for the most part, still look flat and the shapes still lack depth. If I were you and if I wanted to improve, I would focus on experimenting a bit. Try a different color palette. Experiment with different shades of the same color in one part of a Senshi fuku that's supposed to be one color. Consider trying new ways to layer a character's hair.

I think Mara is just comparing your art from 2009 (again, it's right on the first post of this thread) to your art from 2018 and is seeing that it has the same overall "issues" though some might find them charming. I'm in the middle myself. I like your work and it's certainly better than I could ever do. I think you're talented/skilled and your style in portraying the Senshi is really bold. But it would be nice to see finer details.

Mara said some unnecessary things but overall, his critique shouldn't be completely thrown away just because it was quite harsh. There is value in that. When I was writing, especially back in college, I spent a lot of time hearing other people deconstruct and critique my work, sometimes in extremely harsh ways. It's painful, but there is a lot of value in that. I hope you can take the core of what Mara is saying -- that 9 or 10 years should generally show more improvement than the examples you've shown -- and consider what it really means.

Of course, you might have improved in other ways we haven't seen. But I definitely think that the artwork you've shared on this thread from 2018 very closely resembles the artwork from your first post in 2009. I don't think the artwork is bad. It's charming. I think it could just be a lot more dynamic.

EDIT: And for what it's worth, I love your Suited Sailor Senshi. I think that when you really learn how to utilize small details to enhance the larger image, your work will be truly fantastic. But despite the relative flatness of your artwork, I like your art direction.
 
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Maraviollantes

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#25
don't like it? don't say anything
This is a discussion forum. You are free to post your comments, and I'm free to post mine. And no, you can't decide for other people if they should say anything or not, much like I cannot decide for you if you should post your works or not.

criticism is telling someone they are on the right track but suggesting improvements... not flat out telling them they up right are horrible. There is a fine line between criticism and bullying.
Your definition of criticism is wrong. It doesn't require saying one is on the right track. Criticism means making judgements and pointing out flaws - which I did. Constructive criticism implies talking about solutions and ways of improvement - which I also did, by suggesting to think about directing your time and efforts into something else instead, if you cannot or don't want to improve in the field of art.

Anyway I shouldn't even be bothering with someone's "criticism" when they cant even spell the word correctly....:umno:
Thank you for noticing my mistake. I'm learning and improving every day, including today (thanks to you). I'm not hiding behind "don't like my spelling? Don't say anything" mentality, and that's why my English during last ten years made a lot of progress. The kind of progress your art skills don't make at all.

Whether you want to improve anything or not is something up to you to decide. From my POV somebody who spends a decade of their life doing the same work (passion, hobby, fun activity, call it by whatever name you want), yet always remains at the same basic amateur level without showing any signs of progress is making a mistake. You are free to disagree with my POV, of course.
 

onesurvive

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I want to put this out there first: Onesurvive, I like your art style. It's something different from what you usually see and I appreciate that.

My personal opinion on Mara's post is that HOW he delivered his message maybe went a bit overboard...but, all the same, I understand what he is saying and I'm worried you don't understand it. Here's the thing: the art you posted the other day, and the artwork you shared with us in February, looks like it might as well have been made back in 2009 when you made the very first post in this thread. (EDIT: I'm just seeing now that the first page has been edited...and there is a "2014" on one of the pieces. So have you gone back and edited that first post from 2009 with newer artwork? Because if so, then nevermind.).
Yes the links were broken from that time and I wanted to post new stuff so it's not from 2009.

I think what Mara is trying to say is this: 10 or so years later, ideally your work should look a bit different. But I'm seeing that the colors, for the most part, still look flat and the shapes still lack depth. If I were you and if I wanted to improve, I would focus on experimenting a bit. Try a different color palette. Experiment with different shades of the same color in one part of a Senshi fuku that's supposed to be one color. Consider trying new ways to layer a character's hair.
Thank you, this is the kind of criticism I would like to hear, THAT's how you do it. I actually didn't start coloring seriously until maybe... 4 years ago or so? I will admit it's a struggle for me, I am usually spending more time on try to make things less flat looking but it does take time, I don't have that many opportunities to draw with my work lately, as you can see the time frame between my posts are quite large.

Whether you want to improve anything or not is something up to you to decide. From my POV somebody who spends a decade of their life doing the same work (passion, hobby, fun activity, call it by whatever name you want), yet always remains at the same basic amateur level without showing any signs of progress is making a mistake. You are free to disagree with my POV, of course.
Again, you DON'T have 10 years to go off of so I'd really not like to hear from you again, you're very rude and if this wasn't online I would be using more than words because someone like you needs a slap into reality on how to treat people properly...you clearly like to push buttons for people to get upset. If something isn't to my liking I wouldn't go all out to put them down, you might think someone doesn't put effort into something but you have no idea what that person does to achieve something from nothing.
 
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