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I suspect that TOEI did not believe in “Sailor Moon” and wanted to test its popularity. After the first episode of Crystal got over 1 million views in 2 days upon its release, then TOEI had a “justification“ to release the DVDs with the finished episodes, order a third season to be released on TV, and transition from TV to films. I think TOEI knew what it was doing from the very beginning—and now we have the Dream movies and we will have the Stars movies. I don’t think they care about numbers as much as they care about selling merchandise.
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Such sad circumstances since I had wanted these films to blow it out of the water, Toei is to blame though with their entire management of this Sailor Moon reboot. Highly upsetting... super long waits in-between, dodgy animation/designs & terrible story writing from S1/S2. It could have succeeded in such a huge way too, but they had to F it up obviously. So disappointing and heartbreaking for me with such a beloved series for myself.
All we can do now is support the series as best we can and hope for the best. I feel sad too as these movies are a big step in the right direction. Had it been another cheap ONA I don’t think I would care all that much. But we can see that time and love has been clearly put in this time and it makes me depressed for everyone involved. I really hope overseas fans show love for this like Clow says when it’s finally released.
If only Toei had given the same love it gave to Eternal from the start of S1. Maybe we wouldn’t be in this situation.
If only Toei had given the same love it gave to Eternal from the start of S1. Maybe we wouldn’t be in this situation.
Sorry, but Eternal was never what we wanted.
People just convinced themselves they can enjoy it, since visually, it's a upgrade from the bad animated content we've been getting over the last 7 years. We looking forward to It doesn't mean it was what we wanted.
People just convinced themselves they can enjoy it, since visually, it's a upgrade from the bad animated content we've been getting over the last 7 years. We looking forward to It doesn't mean it was what we wanted.
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I think the unsuccessful (loss of interest) Sailor Moon Crystal could be related:
- Too close to the manga. Many do not like the story of the manga.
- The graphic style. Many wanted to find that of 90 (but a little more modernized).
When we think about it. Toei to get closer to the 90 series (changed the transformations, the attacks). Especially with Eternal, we clearly see a confession from Toei / Takeuchi.
- Too close to the manga. Many do not like the story of the manga.
- The graphic style. Many wanted to find that of 90 (but a little more modernized).
When we think about it. Toei to get closer to the 90 series (changed the transformations, the attacks). Especially with Eternal, we clearly see a confession from Toei / Takeuchi.
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Technically a tv series with good animation and manga fidelity was what most manga fans wanted. Eternal though still managed to deliver it, but a tv show with 13 episodes could adapt the story with less pacing issues. I admit I was very worried about the movie format and would have still prefered a tv show for the Dream Arc. Most peoe on here won't accept anything that is not the over the top comedy the 90s show was. It is useless to argue with them. The success of the film doesn't correspond to its quality. Care about your own experience and leave the haters hate.
I read an article a while back how Sailor Moon herself somewhat dethroned Super Sentai. She successfully combined the sentai theme with the magical girl genre which was a rising trend in the 90's. It was the boom and had everything that little girls wanted. The merchandise sales were through the roof.
And then the fad started to decline and attention shifted elsewhere toward a new innovative method. Pretty Cure seems to be the perfect formula. While, Toei is sometimes the Dark Agency in my eyes, they are the ones who made Sailor Moon popular, however, they lost control of it and were left to come up with their own series that surpassed Sailor Moon and is still making money and getting more attention. Toei's treatment of Sailor Moon is not deliberate...
They probably didn't have much faith in Sailor Moon and most likely have good reason to. For one, they know what sells and what doesn't. They have the financial profit results and two: Sailor Moon brings nothing fresh to the table to keep kids interested or attract new fans. You can pretty much read the manga and watch the 90s (or Crystal which is a mutated Sailor Moon Kai). I'm not a Pretty Cure expert but the show combines so many elements that Sailor Moon touched on but PC expanded on them much more with action and so many magical weapons and items kids could purchase.
Sailor Moon once again is the only show with nothing new. Saint Seiya, Dragon Ball, Digimon, Pretty Cure all have new adaptations and/or spin offs to attract new fans. Thankfully, we might finally get to see something "new" with the Eternal Senshi but if I remember correctly, they don't last that long in StarS which is unfortunate.
However, I honestly still don't know why most of everyone is concerned about the box office numbers though when it's the merchandise that saves most series and Sailor Moon is so niche now in Japan, the numbers are still okay but there is still a second movie and the international fan base which will probably rescue it from getting canned for another 10 years.
Hopefully, Netflix invests in it and requests a new anime series since it is considered a classic anime and is well-known.
And then the fad started to decline and attention shifted elsewhere toward a new innovative method. Pretty Cure seems to be the perfect formula. While, Toei is sometimes the Dark Agency in my eyes, they are the ones who made Sailor Moon popular, however, they lost control of it and were left to come up with their own series that surpassed Sailor Moon and is still making money and getting more attention. Toei's treatment of Sailor Moon is not deliberate...
They probably didn't have much faith in Sailor Moon and most likely have good reason to. For one, they know what sells and what doesn't. They have the financial profit results and two: Sailor Moon brings nothing fresh to the table to keep kids interested or attract new fans. You can pretty much read the manga and watch the 90s (or Crystal which is a mutated Sailor Moon Kai). I'm not a Pretty Cure expert but the show combines so many elements that Sailor Moon touched on but PC expanded on them much more with action and so many magical weapons and items kids could purchase.
Sailor Moon once again is the only show with nothing new. Saint Seiya, Dragon Ball, Digimon, Pretty Cure all have new adaptations and/or spin offs to attract new fans. Thankfully, we might finally get to see something "new" with the Eternal Senshi but if I remember correctly, they don't last that long in StarS which is unfortunate.
However, I honestly still don't know why most of everyone is concerned about the box office numbers though when it's the merchandise that saves most series and Sailor Moon is so niche now in Japan, the numbers are still okay but there is still a second movie and the international fan base which will probably rescue it from getting canned for another 10 years.
Hopefully, Netflix invests in it and requests a new anime series since it is considered a classic anime and is well-known.
It's actually doing much better than Wonder Woman 1984.
The fact we've reached season 4 and
getting a rumored Netflix deal already proves it is a financial success despite the terrible animation of Season 1.
It already has earned if each movie cost 100,000 or 200,000 USD each.
Now I'm curious what are the sales figures for the music album.
The fact we've reached season 4 and
getting a rumored Netflix deal already proves it is a financial success despite the terrible animation of Season 1.It already has earned if each movie cost 100,000 or 200,000 USD each.
Now I'm curious what are the sales figures for the music album.
Clow said:
"TOEI delivers what we want, it just ...usually takes ... a lot of time."
He wasn't talking about his own experience. He was talking about the fan community. I don't see what's your point.
"TOEI delivers what we want, it just ...usually takes ... a lot of time."
He wasn't talking about his own experience. He was talking about the fan community. I don't see what's your point.
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It's actually doing much better than Wonder Woman 1984.
The fact we've reached season 4 and getting a rumored Netflix deal already proves it is a financial success despite the terrible animation of Season 1.
It already has earned if each movie cost 100,000 or 200,000 USD each.
Now I'm curious what are the sales figures for the music album.
The fact we've reached season 4 and
getting a rumored Netflix deal already proves it is a financial success despite the terrible animation of Season 1.It already has earned if each movie cost 100,000 or 200,000 USD each.
Now I'm curious what are the sales figures for the music album.
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You can't deny the numbers are bad ( considering the money they have put on advertisement, campaigns, colaborations, etc for the movies in japan ). Remember that for this 900.000$ you need to deduct the % movie theaters keep for themselves, the advertisement for the films, the public events, all the salaries of workers and cost of the production, etc... If they only depended on this it would totally be a failure since I dont think the remaining income would be positive.
So sad now that it seemed that Toei had delivered the best Crystal product to date. Hope the Netflix deal makes them get more money ( and of course the merchandise ) so they can have a positive income of the movies at the end and can keep the animation quality for the Stars.
So sad now that it seemed that Toei had delivered the best Crystal product to date. Hope the Netflix deal makes them get more money ( and of course the merchandise ) so they can have a positive income of the movies at the end and can keep the animation quality for the Stars.
I'm not trying to get hopes up or sound negative either but the possible deal with Netflix is a good thing. The power of the Sailor Moon fandom is a force to reckoned with. While we are no Star Wars Storm Tropper levels of craziness we have kept this series alive for so long. Netflix puts in billons for anime. Pray to Luna's crescent bald spot they take a strong interest in Sailor Moon and if the deal manifests to stream the movies as a Netflix Original and they are a hit. Netflix has way more money to put into a new Sailor Moon production than Toei may be willing to. So when (and if) the movies are announced to be on Netflix, spread the word all over your social medias, blogs etc so there can be a huge international streaming turnout. Eternal is also going to be on Netflix Japan I heard, not sure how true that is or if it will be on there first before everyone else tho.
TOEI upsets me greatly, I’ll admit that. Both films should be streaming on Netflix now.
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