Sailor Moon Eternal Box Office

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ngl a netlfix live action Sailor Moon series is kinda my biggest fear lol. I've seen people who want one explicitly like the Winx Club one and of course I respect that but... god that wouldn't be for me lol. I think I'm just a fluff girl at the end of the day and part of why I love the 90's anime is because it hits that right balance of legitimate stakes and plot while also having fun fluff. If they did something like a better budgeted spiritual successor to PGSM I think it could be really cool! Especially if it's allowed to do it's own thing and not just follow the manga template... but if Netflix's other live action adaptions are anything to go by I don't think that would be the case and I'm very afraid lol
 
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I truly don’t understand this assumption that if Sailor Moon Eternal had a different director, they would suddenly get a ton of creative freedom that would allow them to change course from following the manga.

Crystal has gone through so many staff changes and even different styles, but the end product is the same. An anime that follows the manga closely. They could literally hire a new director for Stars and nothing will change. Junichi Sato or Ikuhara is not going to have more say than Naoko Takeuchi. It’s not 1992 anymore, guys. I’m sorry to burst everyone’s bubble.
Honestly, I don't think Naoko is so involved in Crystal or Eternal. It is just that Toei is following closer the manga this time.

Authors aren't so involved in the creation of an anime.
 
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Honestly, I don't think Naoko is so involved in Crystal or Eternal. It is just that Toei is following closer the manga this time.

Authors aren't so involved in the creation of an anime.
Naoko bought the 90’s anime and the manga and DVDs have to go through her company, PNP, before being released outside of Japan.

I have no idea how involved Naoko is in Crysternal, but my educated guess is that Crysternal would not exist if she did not wish it to exist.
 

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Naoko bought the 90’s anime and the manga and DVDs have to go through her company, PNP, before being released outside of Japan.

I have no idea how involved Naoko is in Crysternal, but my educated guess is that Crysternal would not exist if she did not wish it to exist.
I don't think it has been mentioned Naoko buys the 90's anime.

Naoko has always been creator and owner of the manga (the magazine editorial is partially owner too), so Toei always needs Naoko's permission to create Crystal/Eternal. It is also possible that's the reason why they need her permission to export DVDs.

However, that doesn't mean Naoko bought 90's anime and it's her owner. Has this been mentioned somewhere?
 
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I knew there were Sailor condoms but the fact she was incredibly angry about the anime making the Starlights gender benders because "only women can be senshi" but being a-ok officially licensing a condom with a (at least initially) kids character on it is uh....

I don't know how I feel having all that in my brain lol
 

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I knew there were Sailor condoms but the fact she was incredibly angry about the anime making the Starlights gender benders because "only women can be senshi" but being a-ok officially licensing a condom with a (at least initially) kids character on it is uh....

I don't know how I feel having all that in my brain lol
It's most likely just a pet peeve of hers. XD
 

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What's been confirmed so far is that everything needs Naoko's signature from the Sailor condoms to what the voice actors have to say in foreign markets.
Naoko being creator from the manga is what makes her signature always necessary. In general, author seems to have that power,

However, that doesn't mean she has absolute power in the development of a Sailor Moon anime. Toei and Naoko's company probably come to an agreement and contract on how much Naoko can get involved before they start the creation of an anime.


PS: If Naoko bought the 90's anime, she will have other powers (she could give the 90's anime to other company). I don't think Toei will allow that.
 
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However, that doesn't mean Naoko bought 90's anime and it's her owner. Has this been mentioned somewhere?
Naoko is the owner of the broadcasting rights of the 90’s anime. She had a disagreement with TOEI over royalties in the early-2000s and bought the broadcasting rights of the 90’s anime.

Source here

She very closely supervises the release of her manga and anime in foreign markets. I believe this applies to Crystal, too.
 
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And if Toei won't allow that, then they know Sailor Moon, while not the super cash cow it used to be, is still profitable, especially overseas. Naoko had to have purchased something though because her branding (copyright) is in the credits of both PGSM and the SM Crystal series but not in the original 90's anime in the past but I think it is now so she owns all of it. So if that's the case then Naoko could take her manga version and ask another company to animate it if she pleases, that is if they want it bad enough...something she could possibly get done through Netflix, a new series without Toei's involvement, perhaps?
 
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I am speculating here, but maybe it’s wrong to assume that Naoko owns all legal rights of “Sailor Moon.” She owns the broadcasting rights of the 90’s anime and her own manga, and she may be the major shareholder, but TOEI, Kodansha, and Bandai may have their share, too. “Sailor Moon” was ultimately animated by TOEI to sell Bandai toys.

On a different note, I have never seen Doremi or even Precure, but I wonder if these shows have episodes as heavy as those of “Sailor Moon.” The 90’s anime was a kids show, it had silly episodes, but episode 45 (first season) sent Japanese kids to the hospital. I am not sure if modern TOEI is as “daring“ as 90’s TOEI.

Some episodes of the original “Saint Seiya” are pretty brutal, too.
 
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DoReMi is super cute and has a very cheery atmosphere with songs and such. Pretty Cure is a hybrid magical girl series. The majority of them are simple seasons while a few seasons with nothing too objectional outside of action-violence, which isn't bloody. Toei is daring enough but the TV censors won't allow it.

The only way for some of those scene in the manga to be seen would be for the series to be released as a movie or OVA which usually don't have those strict guidelines.
 

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On a different note, I have never seen Doremi or even Precure, but I wonder if these shows have episodes as heavy as those of “Sailor Moon.” The 90’s anime was a kids show, it had silly episodes, but episode 45 (first season) sent Japanese kids to the hospital. I am not sure if modern TOEI is as “daring“ as 90’s TOEI.
Doremi definitely does, it has episodes covering the more serious of topics like death, racism & divorce.

Examples:




More examples (along with staff info) in this article: 20 Years Of Ojamajo Doremi: The Ideal Kids Anime Grows Up With Its Audience
 

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I am speculating here, but maybe it’s wrong to assume that Naoko owns all legal rights of “Sailor Moon.” She owns the broadcasting rights of the 90’s anime and her own manga, and she may be the major shareholder, but TOEI, Kodansha, and Bandai may have their share, too. “Sailor Moon” was ultimately animated by TOEI to sell Bandai toys.

On a different note, I have never seen Doremi or even Precure, but I wonder if these shows have episodes as heavy as those of “Sailor Moon.” The 90’s anime was a kids show, it had silly episodes, but episode 45 (first season) sent Japanese kids to the hospital. I am not sure if modern TOEI is as “daring“ as 90’s TOEI.

Some episodes of the original “Saint Seiya” are pretty brutal, too.
I’ve been meaning to get around to watching Doremi but haven’t yet! Anyway I would still probably consider Doremi 90s Toei since it was still made in 1999, just ran into the early 2000s. Apparently it does get dark, but not in a fantasy sense. More like it touches on ‘taboo’ subjects (at least in Japan) like divorce, bullying, race, etc. It seems more like a slice of life show with the magic taking a backseat a lot of the time.

Precure on the other hand is a lot more like Sailor Moon but without the charm (in my opinion) Feels overly safe and sterilized. I feel like Sailor Moon often went beyond the restraints of a kids show that was made to sell merchandise. Precure always seems to stay within its constrained lane. That’s not to say it’s bad and I’ve heard great things about particular seasons, I just couldn’t get into it for the above reasons.
 
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Yeah, I consider DoReMi not too dark but it probably was for Japan. The subject matter on the show was pretty much like watching some episodes of Captain Planet in the U.S. which touched on some "heavy" subjects too. I think DoReMi is just the cutest thing though. Glad to see them after all this time with something "new".
 
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However, that doesn't mean she has absolute power in the development of a Sailor Moon anime. Toei and Naoko's company probably come to an agreement and contract on how much Naoko can get involved before they start the creation of an anime.


PS: If Naoko bought the 90's anime, she will have other powers (she could give the 90's anime to other company). I don't think Toei will allow that.
Well there's that :usagi: x :haruka: kissing scene Mexico edited out. So yeah she doesn't have full control.
 
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And if Toei won't allow that, then they know Sailor Moon, while not the super cash cow it used to be, is still profitable, especially overseas. Naoko had to have purchased something though because her branding (copyright) is in the credits of both PGSM and the SM Crystal series but not in the original 90's anime in the past but I think it is now so she owns all of it. So if that's the case then Naoko could take her manga version and ask another company to animate it if she pleases, that is if they want it bad enough...something she could possibly get done through Netflix, a new series without Toei's involvement, perhaps?
I'm not totally sure it is even possible to not use Toei for Sailor Moon.

Remember Sailor Moon anime started only few months after Sailor Moon manga (while anime would usually start years after the manga started). This shows that Toei was involved in Sailor Moon manga creation.


Even without a legal restriction it is possible Netflix still use Toei for the animation. Knights of the Zodiac (a Netflix version of Saint Seiya) was still created for Toei.
 
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