Sailor Moon key artist Marco Alibiero should know better

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animation =/= artwork
If you came with the bluray cover arts... but at least the animation can be fixed for the home release

And yeah, Marco's art looks very fan art and flat, they don't really reflect the original art from each season, I don't know why they keep useing them
Marco's art looks nearly identical to the original art from the 90s series. I can't tell much of a difference and I doubt anyone is some kind of art history professor who can tell us the subtle differences between Marco's art and the art in the 90s series. Once more I would argue that the art could look different in the different seasons and which artist drew it.
 

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:lol:

animation =/= artwork
If you came with the bluray cover arts... but at least the animation can be fixed for the home release
Actually, it is artwork. The literal meaning of "artwork" is "a piece of art" - a separate work/object produced by an artist. Anime consists of separate frames drawn by artists, so I don't really see what your point is.

My point is that during production of Sailor Moon Crystal there were no outspoken people in the production team who had courage to publicly criticize its quality, and that's how we ended up with a crappy product.

If Naoko personally took some screenshot from official BSSM anime and posted it on Twitter calling it crap and drawing her own version, would it be good or bad for franchise? I think it would be awesome. But all of us know she will never do that. She will just silently stamp her seal of approval on everything and anything, even if she knows it's complete crap. That's why we need more people like Marco Albiero and less people like Naoko Takeuchi.
 
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Um.. where was Marco when they revealed the awful Japanese Blu-ray covers for Crystal? Those had it a lot worse than this cover!! It could have also raised some awareness to the completely off model SMC covers.

Just to clarify, I don’t at all condone what he did. He should have just reached out to Discotek personally, rather than as a public post. But if he felt so compelled to do it, I’m just saying he could have gone on a blast and gotten blacklisted over something that actually *REALLY* needed fixing.
 
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Actually, it is artwork. The literal meaning of "artwork" is "a piece of art" - a separate work/object produced by an artist. Anime consists of separate frames drawn by artists, so I don't really see what your point is.
Just because you can draw doesn't mean you can actually animate. Maybe he could go for key frame artist where eveything has a lot of detail, as long as ther schedule lets him lol

But Toei did notice everything wrong (well, almost) with early Crystal, they fixed almost everything for the bluray release and for the next season they hired a new director and artist for the character design and got a so much better schedule.
 
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Just because you can draw doesn't mean you can actually animate. Maybe he could go for key frame artist where eveything has a lot of detail, as long as ther schedule lets him lol
How is that even relevant? The original post (and subsequent discussion) was about if it's okay or not for a high-profile artist officially involved in production of several franchises to publicly criticize work of other artists like he did.
 
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Marco's art looks nearly identical to the original art from the 90s series. I can't tell much of a difference and I doubt anyone is some kind of art history professor who can tell us the subtle differences between Marco's art and the art in the 90s series. Once more I would argue that the art could look different in the different seasons and which artist drew it.
You can tell is him 'cause he use to draw everything with Ikuko Itoh style/details (you know, how everything looks shiny, plastic kind) but with strong line art. And we all know Sailor Moon never looked like that on their first seasons.
first one "on style" for the first season and the second one is just his take on 90's style.


+ he gives this weird aqua color to ami's hair :-P
 
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If Naoko personally took some screenshot from official BSSM anime and posted it on Twitter calling it crap and drawing her own version, would it be good or bad for franchise? I think it would be awesome. But all of us know she will never do that. She will just silently stamp her seal of approval on everything and anything, even if she knows it's complete crap. That's why we need more people like Marco Albiero and less people like Naoko Takeuchi.
I'd rather Naoko keep her current approach than be some messy egomaniac WITHOUT having a legacy to actually support that behavior.
Her redrawing a Crystal artwork is one thing, but I can't fathom prefering Marco over her, like... she's paid her dues, while he's a glorified fanartist.
Don't let your dislike or dissapointment color your view or even put her above someone like ...that
 

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Marco's art looks nearly identical to the original art from the 90s series. I can't tell much of a difference and I doubt anyone is some kind of art history professor who can tell us the subtle differences between Marco's art and the art in the 90s series. Once more I would argue that the art could look different in the different seasons and which artist drew it.
This is so ... you don't need a degree to tell if something resembles a different style, you need eyes and sight, and as pointed out above, his style follows Itoh's and not the first 2 seasons (and isn't "season specific" anyway).

please be more objective.
 

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Marco's art looks nearly identical to the original art from the 90s series. I can't tell much of a difference and I doubt anyone is some kind of art history professor who can tell us the subtle differences between Marco's art and the art in the 90s series. Once more I would argue that the art could look different in the different seasons and which artist drew it.
Identical? I think you're trying to praise him. Can't you tell the different between a line created by a tablet and a line created by a pencil?
 
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I'd rather Naoko keep her current approach than be some messy egomaniac WITHOUT having a legacy to actually support that behavior.
Her redrawing a Crystal artwork is one thing, but I can't fathom prefering Marco over her, like... she's paid her dues, while he's a glorified fanartist.
Don't let your dislike or dissapointment color your view or even put her above someone like ...that
Did you mean to say "don't... put her [Naoko] below someone like ...that [Marco]"? Because putting Naoko above someone due to disliking her doesn't really make any sense in the context of your message.

Either way, the issue is not about skill level/legacy, but about artists honestly and openly communicating with fans and each other. Criticism is healthy and necessary part of any creative process. Marco Albiero openly calling a crappy (according to him) artwork crappy and showing that he can do better doesn't automatically make him a better artist. But it does make him a more honest and passionate artist than Naoko, who never had guts to openly say a single word of criticism about any crappy product from her own franchise (or from other franchises?), even when it was plainly obvious to everyone that it was outright crappy. Having someone like him in charge of this franchise would definitely not hurt.
 
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Did you mean to say "don't... put her [Naoko] below someone like ...that [Marco]"? Because putting Naoko above someone due to disliking her doesn't really make any sense in the context of your message.

Either way, the issue is not about skill level/legacy, but about artists honestly and openly communicating with fans and each other. Criticism is healthy and necessary part of any creative process. Marco Albiero openly calling a crappy (according to him) artwork crappy and showing that he can do better doesn't automatically make him a better artist. But it does make him a more honest and passionate artist than Naoko, who never had guts to openly say a single word of criticism about any crappy product from her own franchise (or from other franchises?), even when it was plainly obvious to everyone that it was outright crappy. Having someone like him in charge of this franchise would definitely not hurt.
So if you understand what i meant (and you did), why do you need clarification?

LOL If Marco or some arrogant merch artist was in charge of the franchise I'd shoot myself. The issue isn't him being an advocate for "quality", but punching down whilst trying to raise himself up. That's extremely unprofessional, not to mention looked down upon in most places and cultures.

And i LOVE the selective memory here... for one, Naoko spent YEARS making a comic and having most of the workload in it by herself. Secondly, she indeed has called out things she doesn't agree with or dislikes (Starlights being men, being blocked from killing the senshi only to have the anime do it, changes in characterization, omitted characters, ect). All i see when you bring her up is constantly dismissing her character and choices because you and others feel like she owns you something and/or because she's lax which...is fine. She's an old woman now and she was burned by the industry -not to mention, there's this underlying mysoginistic tone to aaaaaaaaall of that. These forums don't want change, so we can move on from that now...

You're also forgetting that japanese culture generally doesn't "call out" the industry, especially not in such a smarmy, pompous, self-centered way. But if you feel represented because Albieri is acting in this manner, then good on you.
 

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This dude is getting out of his depth. Sure, he can retrace, he can redraw, but it is usually flatter than the original. His cover art for Sailir Moon blu ray/dvd discks just screams fanart. Yet, he tried to get the character design position for Crystal and now this. Dude... I am sorry but Rose of Versailles is a masterpiece you cannot touch. It might sound a bit mean, I do not want to offend anyone, but... Is it ne or Italy in general loves to "fix stuff". Why bother dubbing the song for this or that anime, when we can make our own kiddy song. It happened back in the day with Rose of Versailles and the song is cringe, unfitting and horrible. Sailor Moon opening songs in Italian are just as cringe. Then even as of 2005-2010 they kept doing it. They dubbed Mermaid Melody and instead of dubbing the songs, they feel they are velow that, they replaced them with their own horrible ones, they probably feel proud of. They are great people, they gave a lot to the literature, classic music etc, but it doesn't mean you have to be so ready to "fix" something foreign . I have always found Marco being complerely flat. In rare cases he draws the characters ok enough, but then the composition of his art is horrendous. Be a bit humble, don't believe too much in yourself.
Marco Albiero is a good artist, however I do not think that for this reason he can allow himself to criticize the work of others.

As for the opening of the anime produced in Italy, it is true that very few have been transposed from the original version, however sometimes it is difficult to do so and they prefer to create from scratch when they can, also because here there is still the culture: cartoon = product for children (for this reason, on national channels, both public and private, they often censor or modify scenes and dialogues).
This way of thinking is so ingrained that even channels like mtv italia have had to give in to pressure and partially censor some of the anime they broadcast, even though they were broadcast in the evening or night, outside the time slot suitable for children.
 

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The comparison is simple. We take an image made in the 90s, and compare it to his copies.
The big problem with his drawings is that there is no longer the celluloid relief of the time. It's flat, bland, and ugly to look at.
The colors are too flashy, at the time the colors of the original designs were not so flashy.
The colors of his designs do not reflect the colors of the anime that we have on our DVDs. Too far away.


The problem, we see it with Versaille No Bara, its layer is filthy. Already for reasons of taste, replacing the cross, and a fist by roses, it is in full contradiction with the characters.

And above all: there is no relief, it is completely smooth. There, where the English version, the image has a relief, a depth!


For me Marco Albiero has an oversized ego, he believes himself to be better than everyone else, allows himself to use the images of the creators and dares to say: repaired version.

Who does he think he is to say that?
 

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Secondly, she indeed has called out things she doesn't agree with or dislikes (Starlights being men, being blocked from killing the senshi only to have the anime do it, changes in characterization, omitted characters, ect).
When Marco Albiero dislikes something, he personally takes a pencil in his hand and shows everyone how it should have been done. When Naoko (supposedly) dislikes something, she still stamps her seal of approval on any random crap, grabs the money, and subsequently relieves her stress by buying one more expensive sport car. Yes, I much prefer Marco's way of criticizing things.

All i see when you bring her up is constantly dismissing her character and choices because you and others feel like she owns you something and/or because she's lax which...is fine.
I have a compulsive-obsessive disorder focused on Naoko Takeuchi. It's a medical condition, so don't blame me for that. :(
 
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This is what we end up with when nobody has guts to publicly call crap work crap. :pinkghost:
Once again you put down other people's work like you once did a few years back regarding my own art. Anyone who insults something that someone put effort into like art makes me so angry. There is constructive criticism and then there's just being plain rude and insulting. Just because YOU might not prefer art by someone doesn't give you the right to put them down. I also think what Marco did was wrong even tho it seemed to be an effort to get hired for work. Don't blame compulsive-obsessive disorder as a way to be negative towards others man.
 

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Anyone who insults something that someone put effort into like art makes me so angry. There is constructive criticism and then there's just being plain rude and insulting.
Taking a pencil and showing how someone's artwork can be improved is the very essence of constructive criticism. Marco did exactly that.
 
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Marco Albiero is a good artist, however I do not think that for this reason he can allow himself to criticize the work of others.

As for the opening of the anime produced in Italy, it is true that very few have been transposed from the original version, however sometimes it is difficult to do so and they prefer to create from scratch when they can, also because here there is still the culture: cartoon = product for children (for this reason, on national channels, both public and private, they often censor or modify scenes and dialogues).
This way of thinking is so ingrained that even channels like mtv italia have had to give in to pressure and partially censor some of the anime they broadcast, even though they were broadcast in the evening or night, outside the time slot suitable for children.
Yeah in the Mermaid Melody case though, it has dubs in many languages and the songs were dubbed in French, Germand, abd even Serbian/Croatian, but in Italy they completely replaced the songs. It is not censure for sure, I doubt it is cheaper either. I wonder how even the original creators let them do it in this case. For me it shows a bit of superiority compless.
 
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