Season 4 movies update: Sailor Moon Eternal - Coming in 2020

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I like manga Nehellenia, she is a lot more connected to the story. I hope they elaborate a bit on this dark mirror image of QS, as it was quite vague.
 
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meh. Nehellenia was only compelling/good for 2 episodes in her own season and her arc had to be fixed in the NEXT one, so it shouldn’t be too different if it disappoints.
can you at least elaborate? Because this comment reads like thinly veiled bashing otherwise
I like manga Nehellenia, she is a lot more connected to the story. I hope they elaborate a bit on this dark mirror image of QS, as it was quite vague.
I find Nehellenia character to be boring in the manga, she may have been more connected to the story but she wasn't very interesting.
 
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I like manga Nehellenia, she is a lot more connected to the story. I hope they elaborate a bit on this dark mirror image of QS, as it was quite vague.
I didn't like how the 90 s anime at first made her a wicked queen.Who stole the souls of her people.Than change it in stars.I going to say this if you didn't like the manga, or what happened in the manga with characters.Than your probably not going like crystal.Im not saying this to bash on anyone, or the 90's anime.(I do still like the 90s anime)
 
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I didn't like how the 90 s anime at first made her a wicked queen.Who stole the souls of her people.Than change it in stars.
Actually from what little we see in SuperS Nehellenia didn't start as an evil queen at first as she seems quite well liked by her people... before she lost her mind.
Stars didn't actually change that just better explain her motivations, also I'm big fan of the Cloverway dub in where her people willing gave her their Dream Mirrors as they were THAT mindlessly devoted to her.
 
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Actually from what little we see in SuperS Nehellenia didn't start as an evil queen at first as seems quite well liked by her people... before she lost her mind.
Stars didn't actually change that just better explain her motivations, also I'm big fan of the Cloverway dub in where her people willing gave her their Dream Mirrors as they were THAT mindlessly devoted to her.
I didn't mean she was completely evil at first, but than she stole souls of her people.She betray her own people in dreams.Just so she can be young forever that is selfish, and evil.
 
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I like how the manga shows us the Silver Millennium times with Nehelenias memories but to be honest it tells us more about Queen Serenity and princess' birth celebration rather than about Nehelenia herself. The Dead Moon Queen remains pretty regular big enemy in the manga, obsessed with Silver Crystal and all. Thats why i like the 90s anime Nehelenia more. She's so much more interesting and her backstory is really creepy and sad if you think about it. I also like how emotional she is. It was a nice change after all big bosses in the manga and anime (Metalia, Death Phatom, Pharaoh 90) were rather cold monstrosities

Wouldnt mind if the movies expanded on Nehelania memories in Silver Millenium, even if just a bit
 
I wonder how things would have been if Nehellinia turned out to be a relative of Usagi. Queen Sernity's estranged sister. I always liked the part in Stars they 'fixed' about her story though. That in itself could have been another SuperS movie instead of the first episode of Stars I'd imagine if they upped the budget and stuff.
 

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I like how the manga shows us the Silver Millennium times with Nehelenias memories but to be honest it tells us more about Queen Serenity and princess' birth celebration rather than about Nehelenia herself. The Dead Moon Queen remains pretty regular big enemy in the manga, obsessed with Silver Crystal and all. Thats why i like the 90s anime Nehelenia more. She's so much more interesting and her backstory is really creepy and sad if you think about it. I also like how emotional she is. It was a nice change after all big bosses in the manga and anime (Metalia, Death Phatom, Pharaoh 90) were rather cold monstrosities

Wouldnt mind if the movies expanded on Nehelania memories in Silver Millenium, even if just a bit
i understand liking the 90s adaptation better for sure, and I do find her backstory interesting but it’s ...inconsistent and the plot of SuperS being scant doesn’t help things out. We go from Nehellenia stealing the youth of her kingdom and wiping it out to yet another “let’s make the villian sympathetic “ and retconning her into a lonely princess corrupted by the mirror which was a total asspull and also unnecessary.

the manga isn’t very clear on it, but (from my understanding) Nehellenia is a dark counterpart to Queen Serenity; both aren’t from this star system, their designs mirror each other and the fairytale motifs work well within its story. But Zirconia IS Nehellenia, and we find that out when Sailor Moon attacks her at the very end before dealing her away. She’s an impostor, a henchman who takes the form of a mirrored/dark Queen Serenity whilst being an alien abomination
 
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retconning her into a lonely princess corrupted by the mirror which was a total asspull and also unnecessary.
The mirror corrupting her isn't an asspull as we see in the first flashback the mirror clearly screwed with her mind I believe that while the mirror did drove her mad every action she made was still her own choice.
But Zirconia IS Nehellenia, and we find that out when Sailor Moon attacks her at the very end before dealing her away. She’s an impostor, a henchman who takes the form of a mirrored/dark Queen Serenity whilst being an alien abomination
This really never made much sense to me as we see in the manga Zirconia clearly believe that Nehellenia is a separate person from her. we see scenes of the two talking to one other, of them being at two different places, and also if they were one and the same what was the point of her deciding to drop the "beautiful disguise" when she was working in the circus tent?
 

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Idk if this matters or not, but I saw nearly no Sailor Moon Crystal stuff in Tokyo. The store in Harajuku had a flyer with the promotional image and that’s it. The Toei Museum didn’t even have anything.
 

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The mirror corrupting her isn't an asspull as we see in the first flashback the mirror clearly screwed with her mind I believe that while the mirror did drove her mad every action she made was still her own choice.

This really never made much sense to me as we see in the manga Zirconia clearly believe that Nehellenia is a separate person from her. we see scenes of the two talking to one other, of them being at two different places, and also if they were one and the same what was the point of her deciding to drop the "beautiful disguise" when she was working in the circus tent?
Beats me. It could be a bunshin/split soul situation a la Mio in PGSM. Nehellenia is trapped in the mirror, the "reflection" projected. But Zirconia appears after Super Sailor Moon powers up to Eternal and is blasted with Honeymoon Therapy Kiss (this attack name sure is ....something lol) as she's expelled from the mirror and before she's sealed away. It could mean that Zirconia and Queen N are the same species type and aspects of chaos but we never see Zirconia defeated in the manga, she just disappears. But her powers (the gas she releases, the brainwashing of the Amazon senshi) all deal with illusions so its not a stretch... and after Eternal Sailor Moon blasts her out of the mirror, she looks the exact same as Zirconia, down to the headpiece.
 
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So is Zirconia kinda like Mistress Nine was to Hotaru or is she similar to a Kisenian Blossom and Fiore?
i don’t know about the Tree arc because I don’t remember, but she’s not like Mistress 9. If I’m right it’s one person split into two, like an avatar (Zirconia) that Queen N acts through as she’s been sealed. But I theorize that they’re the same being as Zirconia is last seen in Elysion where Queen Nehellenia appears and is blasted out of the mirror.