Season 4 movies update: Sailor Moon Eternal - Delayed to 2021 (Part 1 on January 8th & Part 2 on February 11th)

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Seira Hazuki

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It's not even just the animation... It's like... Everything from the timing to the visual effects are off. SuperS' choreography is very snappy, whereas Eternal's copies it but has these weird pauses like the video is somehow lagging?

And the music is so low energy even for Yasuharu Takanashi... At this point can people even tell between the first three seasons' transformation themes and this new one? They're all so same-y.
 

sapphire91

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@Seira Hazuki : I'm afraid it has resemblance to Akira's style, not Tadano.
This is insult to Akira. As much as I do not like him, Season 3 at least gave Usagi new transformation. This looks embarassing in comparison to the 90s, Usagi looks awful even in comparison to Akira's close ups. I like Yasuharu but this theme puts you to sleep while looking at this mess...
 

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I can't believe how quick fans are, but here's a comparison video.
Moon Criss Make Up Ali Express version... Now I hope they shaft everyone and just put focus on Chibi Usa as she is the one that look kind a good in this. Usagi is totally lost. And yes that video of Yasuharu way back was indeed of this tranformation, if you remember. This was done a long time ago
 
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Eternal's disappoints me too. Eternal's feels way too fast, the music doesn't suit it (all the transformation music even sounds the same in a way) it's a bit choppier than the original one (0:29 probably shows what I mean best and you'd expect an anime from 2020 to look better than one from 1995), and once again, it's just the same as the 90's one, with only I wanted something more original, hell, even Season III of Crystal had some original movements for the Inners' transformations, and as much as it pains me to say it, the awful CGI transformations from seasons 1-2 had more energy!! Unfortunately seeing how some of the Inners' attacks were (and they even drew Mercury's brooch wrong as a circle instead of a heart for hers, I've seen a fan made Sailor Moon series where sometimes when editing, the creator forgot to add new brooches/the Sailors' suit costume details were inconsistent, but they were not a professional animator), I'm afraid they may do the same thing, recycling the 90's anime again which was already a problem with Season III somewhat, we want some new movements or something, not the same ones from before and if we wanted something like the 90's anime, we wanted it to capture the soul of that series. Unfortunately my hopes for the Eternal movies have gone down somewhat. Still will give it a chance, but, I dunno...it's just like rushed.


And if the movies of Eternal flop, then well, call this a strange comparison, but Crystal/Eternal will have gone the same route as the WWF Wrestlemania NES game series: Both started out with abominations (Seasons 1 and 2 of Crystal in this case), then improved to fairly decent (Season 3 to me), and we don't want it to drop back to terrible and then just get lazy and just mailing it in; and at this point, compared to the original anime (not counting SuperS), Crystal/Eternal kinda hasn't really progressed much, more regressed, especially in aesthetics here (I'm still amazed it has a 7.9 on IMDB, two awful seasons followed by a fairly decent one deserves only a 4/10).

If I think the Eternal movies suck, I may as well go and watch Healin' Good Precure on Crunchyroll (yes, it's being streamed there) or rewatch the R movie, instead, it's infuriating compared to how Toei seemed to put so much effort in Precure (the recent season actually looks like it's a lot of fun), and the original anime and its films and the Ami-chan OVA, despite whatever flaws they had, felt like projects with a lot of heart, effort and passion put into it, it used the animation medium to tell the grand story, characters, action and world/lore, push forth the possibilities/quality of anime in the United States/Japan and expand the magical girl genre (and the manga did the same thing for manga/the genre too), but with Crystal, it doesn't feel like it was made with love and compassion, but just to make money and cash on people's nostalgia for the anime/manga, they didn't care about living up to the legacy of the anime/manga or tell a new story/version based on it or introduce it to a new generation of anime/manga/magical girl fans who didn't get to read the manga when it first got printed in Nakayoshi or see the anime on the small screen, they're aiming specifically for the annoying, nitpicky manga purists and they just wanted to make money off of it. If it was some generic magical girl anime then, it wouldn't be so disappointing, but it isn't a stand alone anime, it's a re-adaptation/reboot of a huge icon in the anime/manga industry and living up to the legacy of a giant from Toei Animation's prime, if it's just going to be a shot by shot version of the manga mostly with shot by shot versions of the 90's anime's attacks/transformations, then what's the point?

Sorry for that rant, but I've mostly been disappointed with how this new Sailor Moon reboot turned out and I hoped it would be better, but I guess my expectations (along with others) were too high. Sigh. :sad:


It's not even just the animation... It's like... Everything from the timing to the visual effects are off. SuperS' choreography is very snappy, whereas Eternal's copies it but has these weird pauses like the video is somehow lagging?

And the music is so low energy even for Yasuharu Takanashi... At this point can people even tell between the first three seasons' transformation themes and this new one? They're all so same-y.
And I thought I was the only one who thought all the music sounded the same for Crystal...and unlike how the original anime's transformation music and Precure's transformation music were elegant, uplifting and kept you humming them even 5 years later, these ones never leave the ground and are just going through the motions.
 
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Seira Hazuki

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Like I don't have an issue with them doing an homage to the '90s anime when it's done right.

For example, this might be a controversial opinion, but I think Crystal's version of Moon Spiral Heart Attack looked very more fluid and cooler than the one in the '90s anime. Like it took the original choreography and expanded on it. It also incorporated the manga with Sailor Moon calling out to Neo Queen Serenity. It was genuinely a very nice sequence.

With this they tried to make some tweaks and add some movements, but it all looks very jarring and fanmade.
 

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Like I don't have an issue with them doing an homage to the '90s anime when it's done right.

For example, this might be a controversial opinion, but I think Crystal's version of Moon Spiral Heart Attack looked very more fluid and cooler than the one in the '90s anime. Like it took the original choreography and expanded on it. It also incorporated the manga with Sailor Moon calling out to Neo Queen Serenity. It was genuinely a very nice sequence.

With this they tried to make some tweaks and add some movements, but it all looks very jarring and fanmade.
I will have another more controversial opinion, Kotono is struggling here... Her voice is aging and the 5 year gaps don't help. When she says Super Sailor Moon it sounds so hoarse... Misato sounds whiny as well, but I am used to not liking her.
 

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Hey y'all long time since i've been here lmao
Just came to say that everything about this movie looks so... Lazy? Unspiring? Idk, but dis they really had to redraw the old transformation? That's SO SO lazy and cheap to do and it make it clear that everything about this movie is gonna be so bad.
I wasn't that excited when I knew they were gonna change the artstyle AGAIN but the fact that they had to bring the artist from the first anime to keep the old fans happy was a slap to my face lmao
I just hope someday, someone (not toei, but that's unlikely) actually makes a good adaptation from the manga.

What's sad is that I really still think that these are the best designs the series has had. Look at Usagi here:
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And yet her face looks like a blob in that cut.
Is this promo art for the movie? 'cause it look just like early S3 promo we got were everyone looked good and I wasn't that mad about the new artstyle but then it wasn't that good animated...
 
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Hey y'all long time since i've been here lmao
Just came to say that everything about this movie looks so... Lazy? Unspiring? Idk, but dis they really had to redraw the old transformation? That's SO SO lazy and cheap to do and it make it clear that everything about this movie is gonna be so bad.
I wasn't that excited when I knew they were gonna change the artstyle AGAIN but the fact that they had to bring the artist from the first anime to keep the old fans happy was a slap to my face lmao
I just hope someday, someone (not toei, but that's unlikely) actually makes a good adaptation from the manga.



Is this promo art for the movie? 'cause it look just like early S3 promo we got were everyone looked good and I wasn't that mad about the new artstyle but then it wasn't that good animated...
Yeah that art for the sunglasses didn't look bad. Crystal Season 3 after the actual Season 3 had very good promotional art - tweaked to a much more appealing look. Like the Halloween merch and the Eagles one. I like this promotional Usagi for J!NS a lot, but she looks terrible in the actual animation.
 

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Well I wouldn't say it's clear the movie is gonna be bad just because of one transformation sequence, but will definitely say it's not a great sign. Going to remain cautiously optimistic.
I wish I could be as positive as you. I do not particularly care about the transformations all that much. But this is telling of something else. The faces, and especially the profile shots, the big heads with tiny noses. Usagi's hair is stiff and thin and there used to be so much emphasis on it. Now it looks as bad as the CG hair in s1-2. Their bangs move with two frames in the closeup like in really cheap tv anime (hope you know what I mean)... This is how the style looks in animation and I am not really happy with it. The transformation itself is not that important for me. I am glad some people find it ok, though.

How to be happy about it. First it is films, not series, so it will be heavily cut and the one think that we could trade it and make this cuts somewhat acceptable was the movie quality. Now we are getting a tv show animation quality with movies plot cuts...

And if you look at it frame by frame, you will see it suffers from Crystal syndrom like I call it. There is a tendency with Crystal and now Eternal. Terrible looking key frames and some gorgeous inbetween ones that can only be seen if you are watching frame by frame. It has been a thing since episode 1.
 
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I guess I’m in the minority here but I actually like it. Sure, it’s disappointing that it’s a rehash of the 90s, but I already had a feeling that’s what it would be.

I kind of like the shifts in motion. It’s not as a smooth as the 90s, but I think it makes
It more dynamic. I didn’t get the sense that it was low frame rate at all.. I’m also glad they at least improved the Venetian blind transitions with the glitter (I thought those were lazy in SuperS.) I feel like they could have a bit better shading, but otherwise, I’m happy with it.

Usagi isn’t as.. curvy as in SuperS. She definitely looks a bit younger here. But I guess that’s more age appropriate. The music.. isn’t anything special. Maybe it’s not final.. I don’t hate it, but it didn’t wow me. That’s really my only nitpick.
 

Seira Hazuki

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I guess I’m in the minority here but I actually like it. Sure, it’s disappointing that it’s a rehash of the 90s, but I already had a feeling that’s what it would be.

I kind of like the shifts in motion. It’s not as a smooth as the 90s, but I think it makes
It more dynamic. I didn’t get the sense that it was low frame rate at all.. I’m also glad they at least improved the Venetian blind transitions with the glitter (I thought those were lazy in SuperS.) I feel like they could have a bit better shading, but otherwise, I’m happy with it.

Usagi isn’t as.. curvy as in SuperS. She definitely looks a bit younger here. But I guess that’s more age appropriate. The music.. isn’t anything special. Maybe it’s not final.. I don’t hate it, but it didn’t wow me. That’s really my only nitpick.
Yes I think the SuperS transformation was lazy compared to the rest in the '90s anime... But wasn't this a good opportunity to add scenes like their gloves and boots materializing since it was weird that it was missing in the original? They could have aimed for the nostalgia, while still doing something a bit unique.

The speech actually looks pretty good in my opinion.
That's because the speech was basically a retrace of Naotoshi Shida... Who they apparently did NOT invite back for Sailor Moon Eternal because why would they hire a skilled animator? LOL