Season 4 movies update: Sailor Moon Eternal - Delayed to 2021 (Part 1 on January 8th & Part 2 on February 11th)

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The main questionnis there something new written there. Smaller Pegasus works for me considering how tiny Chibi Usa is.
Well I transled most of it. Nothing interesting. Only stuff we already know.
"The beautiful transformation of the girls! The story of the love............ (I can't read)
The legendary story "Sailor Moon", which created the world phenomenon, returns to the screen after 25 years!

The first love between Chibi-Usa and Helios, and the growth of Sailor soldiers (Dead Moon arc) are made into a movie
Welcome Takeuchi Naoko, the original creators, become the supervisor, and Chiaki Kon is the director
Kazuko Tadano, character design animation director of 90's anime will become the designer.

"I will never give up my hope"
"Belive in my friends......... (can't read)"

And

"The palpitation of love
The dreams we have forgot since the day we had a lot of dreams
Sailor Moon will tell you again"

"Be leaded by the moonlight, I meet you again".
 
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we haven't seen much original footage though. Most of it is retraced, the transformation, the speech, the attacks minus Mercury, the group shot of the girls. It is easy to stay on model when you are copying. And the new original frame with Pegasus gives me the usual Crystal quality. I am not bothered by his size, but the girls look quite of model and Diana is.... Well, why they are advertizing with such shody frames? Then the other original shot with Usagi huging Mamoru. It us too bright, but I can see her face is off model a bit. But the hair animation looks fine in it.
Mamoru‘s hands look good as well.

But yes, it‘s a mystery. They promote the movie with the same 4 images, and they are all...OK. If I was Toei, I‘d promote the movies with the best looking frames.
 
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Seira Hazuki

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Here some interesting numbers:


Most money from Sailor Moon merch goes to PNP anyway.
Every year fans try to use these numbers to come up with conspiracies why Toei doesn't put more effort into Sailor Moon citing that it doesn't make as much as DBZ or Precure. But that logic is dumb because if you add up how much Sailor Moon has made in all three categories, it completely eclipses Digimon which has had an amazingly animated film recently, and a new 50 episode TV series animated with consistent quality. By the fans' logic, Digimon should be getting the same, if not worse treatment than Sailor Moon!

There's a million competing explanations for why Crystal/Eternal looks the way it does. 1) Naoko Takeuchi is a ruthless creator that takes ages to approve anything and with the amount of fuss and delay no bonafide creative actually wants to actually work on Crystal 2) Crystal/Eternal is marketed to fujoshi (older women) and the anime they tend to consume are poorly animated anyway 3) Or because the fans are older women, Toei/Bandai/PNP/Etc. assumes they care less about anime and more about the lifestyle brand (which is why we'll get expensive beautiful wedding gowns and powerpoint animation for the rest of this franchise's life) 4) None of this is true, and Toei just doesn't want Sailor Moon to eclipse Precure, their other more successful magical girl property 5) Some weird combination of all of the above, or maybe Kodansha is the one pulling the strings too hard and making production difficult.

Whatever it is, it's clear there were problems since Day 1 for Eternal's production and that always spells doom. Maybe better luck if they adapt the Stars manga... in 2050.
 

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Every year fans try to use these numbers to come up with conspiracies why Toei doesn't put more effort into Sailor Moon citing that it doesn't make as much as DBZ or Precure. But that logic is dumb because if you add up how much Sailor Moon has made in all three categories, it completely eclipses Digimon which has had an amazingly animated film recently, and a new 50 episode TV series animated with consistent quality. By the fans' logic, Digimon should be getting the same, if not worse treatment than Sailor Moon!

There's a million competing explanations for why Crystal/Eternal looks the way it does. 1) Naoko Takeuchi is a ruthless creator that takes ages to approve anything and with the amount of fuss and delay no bonafide creative actually wants to actually work on Crystal 2) Crystal/Eternal is marketed to fujoshi (older women) and the anime they tend to consume are poorly animated anyway 3) Or because the fans are older women, Toei/Bandai/PNP/Etc. assumes they care less about anime and more about the lifestyle brand (which is why we'll get expensive beautiful wedding gowns and powerpoint animation for the rest of this franchise's life) 4) None of this is true, and Toei just doesn't want Sailor Moon to eclipse Precure, their other more successful magical girl property 5) Some weird combination of all of the above, or maybe Kodansha is the one pulling the strings too hard and making production difficult.

Whatever it is, it's clear there were problems since Day 1 for Eternal's production and that always spells doom. Maybe better luck if they adapt the Stars manga... in 2050.
I would love so much to have a real answer to all of this...*sigh* I wish they asked some of these questions to Osabu when he went to America (no way Naoko is ever going to appear in front of a general audience). For all we know she could be dead and we wouldn't know it.
It all started wrong (or right, if that was their intention) with SMC being an ONA. I wonder if they even approached the main TV stations to reach a broadcast deal.
I feel like they experimented with SM so they could translate that to their other animes, they wanted to taste the waters but they clearly failed and withdrew.
But you say it, SM is giving them much more money Digimon ever will but however they got, not awesome, but quite good animation.
At the same time I think Naoko is already done with animes. She doesn't want to sell any more cheap, plastic toys from China to kids. She wants to sell bags, cosmetics, clothes and wedding dresses, she's always been into fashion. And probably she's even making more. She loves ice skating so she's happier planning the Ice skate show than supervising an anime.
SMC is just the excuse for the rest of projects and expensive products she feels more happy working on.
 

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I noticed Hisashi Kagawa's twitter account went private either today or the day before yesterday.

There were quite a few fans @ing him over Eternal, so I'm worried he did it to stop any harassment.
 

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I noticed Hisashi Kagawa's twitter account went private either today or the day before yesterday.

There were quite a few fans @ing him over Eternal, so I'm worried he did it to stop any harassment.
Oh, god these people. Why would they atrack/ sparm or whatever the poor guy. He is not even confirked to be working on it. I cannot imagine how it could be for Chiaki Kon. We can talk and comment on here, but going to harrass people is a whole different story. Especially animators. Harrass toei executives that are treating them like slaves.
 

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I noticed Hisashi Kagawa's twitter account went private either today or the day before yesterday.

There were quite a few fans @ing him over Eternal, so I'm worried he did it to stop any harassment.
I also noticed it yesterday. Too bad, he's always been kind to me even though I wrote to him in English.
But people won't stop. I keep seeing tweets with @ at Osabu and Yasuharu Takanashi insulting them.
 

Seira Hazuki

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To be honest, this is why the fandom can't have nice things.

Oh, god these people. Why would they atrack/ sparm or whatever the poor guy. He is not even confirked to be working on it. I cannot imagine how it could be for Chiaki Kon. We can talk and comment on here, but going to harrass people is a whole different story. Especially animators. Harrass toei executives that are treating them like slaves.
No one should be harassed because we don't know who is ultimately responsible for the end product looking the way it does.

Like it's so dumb to simply blame Toei for Eternal looking bad anyway, when there are multiple stakeholders involved.
 
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To be honest, this is why the fandom can't have nice things.



No one should be harassed because ultimately we don't know who is ultimately responsible for the end product looking the way it does.

Like it's so dumb to simply blame Toei for Eternal looking bad anyway, when there are multiple stakeholders involved.
You are right. That is why i stay away from social media. Ad people are overreacting a bit. Yes it is bad, but it is not the worst. It is not rivaling that act 13 spin or anything.
 
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mh yeah that's why i haven't been much on social media too, the other one is tumblr, because there are so harsh, yes i understand the feeling of disappointment but attack a animator is bad mostly because is not his fault, yeah maybe they aren't going to do stars because of this, and since crystal begin we only have this ride of hatred, when some of us accept it of what it is, i know we want them to put much effort on this, but how the animators work in japan i understand somethings can go wrong well if you work without sleeping or eating well i don't thing you do it good
so i dont know how will go now for this movie, some say they dosent want to see it
ah that's why naoko don't want to get more involved in the anime i think is because of this things
 

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But there is something I cannot completely agree on. And that is the studio as a whole to blame - it is indeed their fault. It all brings back to them. Nobody gave them budget, saying make it suck. All these scheduling problems are they executive faults. I cannot blame the animators, as they are doing whatever the animation director has told them to do. I cannot blame the animation director as he is acting according to director's vision. The director is doung whatever the budget determined to the production cometee is. But then there are so many titles on a tight budget that find creative ways to not make it show. How can we find the fault anywhere else but in Toei's manaers. Give the hell a lot of crap for this, but it is in many cases the studio to blame for the finished product.
 
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But there is something I cannot completely agree on. And that is the studio as a whole to blame - it is indeed their fault. It all brings back to them. Nobody gave them budget, saying make it suck. All these scheduling problems are they executive faults. I cannot blame the animators, as they are doing whatever the animation director has told them to do. I cannot blame the animation director as he is acting according to director's vision. The director is doung whatever the budget determined to the production cometee is. But then there are so many titles on a tight budget that find creative ways to not make it show. How can we find the fault anywhere else but in Toei's manaers. Give the hell a lot of crap for this, but it is in many cases the studio to blame for the finished product.
If you care about the product/piece of art/work you are involved with, and if you are creative and understand animation, then you can create a masterpiece with a little budget. it won‘t have super fluid animation everywhere, just in selected moments, probably lots of static scenes, but well composed, and you use smart tricks to make it look better (6 fingers moon prism power make up frame) That‘s what 90s Sailor Moon did.
 

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The 90s anime had plenty of derp moments too. I love it, don't get me wrong, but there were tons of "what the actual" frames and some clunkiness too, so it wasn't perfect either.

Honestly, a bunch of people in the fanbase -- not calling out anyone specific or necessarily on this forum -- have their expectations so high they can't possibly be met. There are definitely things to complain about with the production of Crystal/Eternal for sure, and definitely things to be disappointed about too. But even if all those things were better, some people are still going to be upset because they put their expectations at a level that just can't be met. It's human beings creating the show, it *can't* be perfect.
 
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Honestly, a bunch of people in the fanbase -- not calling out anyone specific or necessarily on this forum -- have their expectations so high they can't possibly be met. There are definitely things to complain about with the production of Crystal/Eternal for sure, and definitely things to be disappointed about too. But even if all those things were better, some people are still going to be upset because they put their expectations at a level that just can't be met. It's human beings creating the show, it *can't* be perfect.
I agree with this too. I've seen people rip apart Sailor Moon's Cosmic Power transformation from Crystal S3 and like... It's animated by Naotoshi Shida, not just one of Toei's best animators, but one of the most talented animators PERIOD. Like if Shida can't make you happy, nothing will...
 

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I agree with this too. I've seen people rip apart Sailor Moon's Cosmic Power transformation from Crystal S3 and like... It's animated by Naotoshi Shida, not just one of Toei's best animators, but one of the most talented animators PERIOD. Like if Shida can't make you happy, nothing will...
Can you honestly say it was smooth... I am not bashing or starting a fight, and it was not the animation at fault, it was the individual cuts feeling weird.But still I'd rather have them cut corners on transformations if the rest is decent. Saturn's galf transofmation in s3 was really smooth and well directed, whoever done it, perfect. Naotoshi Shida did a good job with the speech and they traced it well, it shows with the better, in my opinion, Eternal designs.
 

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Shida's animation was 100% smooth. I don't know what you're talking about...
It is not his fault, like I said it was not the animation, but the directon of the individual scenes. Moon, Mercury were fine, but Mars and Venus... Moon Cosmic was great in the close ups, but the cuts to full body were jarring, which is not his fault.
 

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It is not his fault, like I said it was not the animation, but the directon of the individual scenes. Moon, Mercury were fine, but Mars and Venus...
Well you're in the minority here because almost everyone loved and praised the 2D transformations of Season 3 (with the exception of Uranus and Neptune because of obvious reasons like why people are annoyed with Moon Crisis, Make Up!). Were they perfect or flawless? No. But to @Neo Moonlight's point, they're not going to please everyone.
 
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Well you're in the minority here because almost everyone loved and praised the 2D transformations of Season 3 (with the exception of Uranus and Neptune because of obvious reasons like why people are annoyed with Moon Crisis, Make Up!). Were they perfect or flawless? No. But to @Neo Moonlight's point, they're not going to please everyone.
I agree with you, and it was way better than what they did here. Mostly because it is a copy, inferior one and we can compare. What I like is they keep them short and not 3 minutes long. Just they can do better by being original.
 
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