Season 4 movies update: Sailor Moon Eternal - Delayed to 2021 (Part 1 on January 8th & Part 2 on February 11th)

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it should have been a final fight where they work together instead of Usagi's solo show of softness.
I like the direction the 90's anime took it. Usagi's at her absolute lowest point with everyone dead and she manages to win with hope and love. No giant beam fight, no signs of the other girls left, it's just her and three strangers from a faraway planet who learned how to believe in others thanks to her.

My only problem with it is that the outers should have had a bigger role throughout the season.
 

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I like the direction the 90's anime took it. Usagi's at her absolute lowest point with everyone dead and she manages to win with hope and love. No giant beam fight, no signs of the other girls left, it's just her and three strangers from a faraway planet who learned how to believe in others thanks to her.

My only problem with it is that the outers should have had a bigger role throughout the season.
Like we discussed before, it didn't work well.

It's ok to believe in others, but you need to beat the crap out of the baddie first to let ppl feel relieved for her killing all the senshi.
 
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Do you think we'll get a look at the Four Generals' designs anytime soon? And do you think Eternal will even acknowledge the SenxShi stuff from season 1/2 and try to salvage it, or will the movies just ignore that plot point entirely? (Smart money's on the latter.)
 
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Do you think we'll get a look at the Four Generals' designs anytime soon? And do you think Eternal will even acknowledge the SenxShi stuff from season 1/2 and try to salvage it, or will the movies just ignore that plot point entirely? (Smart money's on the latter.)
What do you expect from a company that ignored their own previous products like Crystal 1 -> 3?
 
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Like we discussed before, it didn't work well.

It's ok to believe in others, but you need to beat the crap out of the baddie first to let ppl feel relieved for her killing all the senshi.
Dunno who you discussed it with before, but I disagree. There's nothing wrong with an galactic-scale exorcism to free a possessed person.
 

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Dunno who you discussed it with before, but I disagree. There's nothing wrong with an galactic-scale exorcism to free a possessed person.
1. It can be done when you beat her first. Like Usagi VS Mamoru in DK arc
2. She killed all the other senshi.
3. It wasn't revealed until the end which was very dumb.
 
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1. It can be done when you beat her first. Like Usagi VS Mamoru in DK arc
2. She killed all the other senshi.
3. It wasn't revealed until the end which was very dumb.
1.You mean like how she got beaten up in episode 199?
2. She didn't. Chaos did. Punishing a possessed character instead of the thing that possessed them is messed up.
3. They were hinting at something since episode 187, and it's obvious by 194.
4. Usagi didn't want to lose anyone else, not even her, despite everyone saying it was too late. You might as well complain about Mistress 9, too.
 

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1.You mean like how she got beaten up in episode 199?
2. She didn't. Chaos did. Punishing a possessed character instead of the thing that possessed them is messed up.
3. They were hinting at something since episode 187, and it's obvious by 194.
4. Usagi didn't want to lose anyone else, not even her, despite everyone saying it was too late. You might as well complain about Mistress 9, too.
1. Not enough at all, she even refused to fight Galaxia and could not put her down.
2. Doesn't matter, it was not shown well, Chaos wasn't even a real character, it happened very odd in the whole plot.
3. Which was very very vague, Galaxia's own character also had very little to show unlike Fiore did in the R movie, which was the source of the writer's concept.
4. Sure, then defeat Galaxia to let the audience feel relieved, then purge her.

Mistress 9 was totally different.

1. She did NOT kill any senshi to ignite the audience's fury.
2. Hotaru's character was shown very well among the series, unlike Galaixa's true form. So to the audience, she was the baddie.
 
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1.You mean like how she got beaten up in episode 199?
2. She didn't. Chaos did. Punishing a possessed character instead of the thing that possessed them is messed up.
3. They were hinting at something since episode 187, and it's obvious by 194.
4. Usagi didn't want to lose anyone else, not even her, despite everyone saying it was too late. You might as well complain about Mistress 9, too.
So what about Kaolinite in manga, 90's and Crystal? She was just an innocent citizen befor Death Busters appeared. Just because she's brainwashed (I'm not sure in the case of 90's), she had to die in the most horrible way (especially in Crystal).
 

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So what about Kaolinite in manga, 90's and Crystal? She was just an innocent citizen befor Death Busters appeared. Just because she's brainwashed (I'm not sure in the case of 90's), she had to die in the most horrible way (especially in Crystal).
Not really.

Remember Tomoe was already performing those forbidden research and doing experiments on his own daughter. It's highly not likely that his assistant was a good person.
 
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1. Not enough at all, she even refused to fight Galaxia and could not put her down.
She could have with the Light of Hope in episode 200, but chose not to.

2. Doesn't matter, it was not shown well, Chaos wasn't even a real character, it happened very odd in the whole plot.
Yes, it does. The whole thing was spelled out to you by episode 194. You don't get to decide what does and doesn't matter just because it somehow flew over your head.


3. Which was very very vague, Galaxia's own character also had very little to show unlike Fiore did in the R movie, which was the source of the writer's concept.
Neither of those things are true. Kakyuu straight up says that there was a super strong Sailor Soldier who sealed Chaos, the source of all evil, away into her own body. Episode 199 and the beginning of 200 show her backstory. Fiore's flashbacks weren't that long, and the movie is less than 60 minutes long. At best, he's got the same amount of backstory screentime as her.
Also, Fiore wasn't even the first brainwashed villain in the series, there's no way he's the basis for her when every single season has a brainwashed, possessed, or otherwise manipulated villain.

4. Sure, then defeat Galaxia to let the audience feel relieved, then purge her.
I don't know how someone could miss the whole point of "fighting isn't the only way to solve things" this hard.

The Stars finale was Usagi's fight. The titular Sailor Moon. They did beamspam fights plenty of times before, they had all the senshi combine their powers plenty of times before, giving Usagi a personal revelation that fighting isn't the only way to save the world was in-character, and Galaxia was set up perfectly fine to serve that purpose. I'm not gonna argue about something so basic in a kid's show with you anymore.


Mistress 9 was totally different.
1. She did NOT kill any senshi to ignite the audience's fury.
No, she just held Uranus and Neptune hostage and starting killing Professor Tomoe, Hotaru's father.

2. Hotaru's character was shown very well among the series, unlike Galaixa's true form. So to the audience, she was the baddie.
The entire anime introduced characters that later get brainwashed (including Fiore.) What's wrong with reversing the formula for once?

So what about Kaolinite in manga, 90's and Crystal? She was just an innocent citizen befor Death Busters appeared. Just because she's brainwashed (I'm not sure in the case of 90's), she had to die in the most horrible way (especially in Crystal).
She didn't have that backstory in the 90's anime. And personally, I've never been a fan of how casually the manga kills off villains, either.
 

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She could have with the Light of Hope in episode 200, but chose not to.
Which is the problem.


Yes, it does. The whole thing was spelled out to you by episode 194. You don't get to decide what does and doesn't matter just because it somehow flew over your head.
No it didn't, it was very vague to let the audience feel that they are different characters.


Neither of those things are true. Kakyuu straight up says that there was a super strong Sailor Soldier who sealed Chaos, the source of all evil, away into her own body. Episode 199 and the beginning of 200 show her backstory.
Yes, just a line and only reveal it in the end in a very quick pace, which is the problem.

Fiore's flashbacks weren't that long, and the movie is less than 60 minutes long. At best, he's got the same amount of backstory screentime as her.
Also, Fiore wasn't even the first brainwashed villain in the series, there's no way he's the basis for her when every single season has a brainwashed, possessed, or otherwise manipulated villain.
He was not shown as a pure villain in the beginning which is obvious, even in his demon form, we saw his struggle and all the evil came from his love of Mamoru, he didn't kill any senshi as well.

Also his body did get destroyed for a moment and made sacrifice with his lifeforce flower to help Usagi, but Galaxia didn't.


I don't know how someone could miss the whole point of "fighting isn't the only way to solve things" this hard.
It isn't, but love can't be solely relied as well, you need to find a balance here. Especially when Galaxia had killed so many senshi.

The Stars finale was Usagi's fight. The titular Sailor Moon. They did beamspam fights plenty of times before, they had all the senshi combine their powers plenty of times before, giving Usagi a personal revelation that fighting isn't the only way to save the world was in-character, and Galaxia was set up perfectly fine to serve that purpose. I'm not gonna argue about something so basic in a kid's show with you anymore.
No, there is no 10 senshi combine power fight before, even in S movie we miss Hotaru, so the ending was the perfect chance. There is already many moment of Usagi saving others.



No, she just held Uranus and Neptune hostage and starting killing Professor Tomoe, Hotaru's father.
She didn't kill Haruka and Michiru, and didn't kill Tomoe, Tomoe was nowhere close to the senshi's popularity as well. There is a reason they didn't let her kill Tomoe you have to get it. Not to let the audience hate her too much.


The entire anime introduced characters that later get brainwashed (including Fiore.) What's wrong with reversing the formula for once?
You know why did they do this with such formula?

Because the audience need to see the good character first, then they will feel sympathy for that one rather than having the impression of evil cruel villain. So they can accept the redemption well.

And most of these have never killed any important good characters to let the audience feel mad and want them die.

Even though, after they broke free, they still made sacrifice to atone their crime to let the audience feel that they are truly noble and even more relieved.

In Galaxia's case, it was done terribly.

She was shown as a villain first, being extremely cruel even among all the SM villains. So this had left the audience a very bad impression. Then they made her killing all other senshi and main characters which ignited the audience's fury, wanted to see her get beaten or killed.

All the "Chaos" stuff came very late and vague to let ppl see them as different characters. There was no beat down to let the audience feel relieved to accept her being redeemed. Nor did she make any sacrifice to atone it. All of this made the audience very very unsatisfied. Which is why the ending didn't work.
 

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Also, even as a villain I think the anime Galaxia never showed much likeable traits.

And we all know that the other senshi are well loved and good friends of Usagi. Having her killing them immediately put most of the ppl against her and want Usagi to beat Galaxia down for her friends. Even if Galaxia have good inside her, it's nothing compare to the 9 senshi and their bond with Usagi.
 

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While I hope they won't plague the Eternal film with sensi x shittenou as this is completely unsavable point, I hope they still appear in the film.I doubt they will reveal their designs though.
The problem is that there is very little room to insert a believable plot between them, their characters don't even fit each other. Another Story probably handled it the best. Rei had a brief romance with someone who was created by the belief of Jaedite and looks exactly like him. Minako heard her past life was in love with Kunzite.
 

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The problem is that there is very little room to insert a believable plot between them, their characters don't even fit each other. Another Story probably handled it the best. Rei had a brief romance with someone who was created by the belief of Jaedite and looks exactly like him. Minako heard her past life was in love with Kunzite.
Pretty much what the manga did in a way. There were hints of Venus crushing on Kunzite and the Casablanca Memory chapter more or less. It was not a good idea. They could have just kept Venys and. Kunzite. These two were kind a belivable pairing.
 
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Pretty much what the manga did in a way. There were hints of Venus crushing on Kunzite and the Casablanca Memory chapter more or less. It was not a good idea. They could have just kept Venys and. Kunzite. These two were kind a belivable pairing.
Kunzite/Venus probably is the closest, but it would still require a lot of good writing.

In 90s anime I think Nephrite/Makoto probably would work if there was no Naru, but the Naru romance was wayy too memorable. Which is why Another Story didn't try at all.
 

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Guys what about the home video release. Do you think they will release the two films separatey or in a combo. I mean in most cases movies are separated, but these are a bit of an exception as they are going to be released back to back. Do you know how studios handle such cases?
 
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Guys what about the home video release. Do you think they will release the two films separatey or in a combo. I mean in most cases movies are separated, but these are a bit of an exception as they are going to be released back to back. Do you know how studios handle such cases?
I think they will release the ordinary version separately, and a limited combo version.
What's worse: It's very likely that they will use the key visual for the box cover, I have seen it happen with other movies.