Season 4 movies update: Sailor Moon Eternal - Delayed to 2021 (Part 1 on January 8th & Part 2 on February 11th)

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Masquerade

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That's what the 90's anime showed basically as the Imperium Silver Crystal in the 90's anime was the fact a lot less of the big bads were after the thing for them to have.

MANGA
-Queen Beryl and Queen Metaria both want the Silver Crystal to rule.
-Wiseman/Death Phantom wanted both the Silver and Malefic Black Crystal to have the ultimate power in the universe.
-Pharaoh 90 wanted the Crystal as substance/food
-Queen Nehelenia want the Silver Crystal to rule.
-Chaos wanted the Crystal it can one day become Sailor Chaos/Sailor Galaxia didn't want the Crystal just power it up so Usagi and Chaos will kill each other when they fight.

90'S ANIME
-Queen Beryl and Queen Metaria both want the Silver Crystal to rule.
-Wiseman/Death Phantom wanted to destroy the Silver Crystal as it was a threat to his plans.
-Pharaoh 90 needed the Holy Grail to gain entrance into our plane of existence.
-Queen Nehelenia want the Golden Crystal to rule.
-Sailor Galaxia did wanted the Silver Crystal... but only because it was also Sailor Moon Star Seed and even then she just wanted to own it not use it/Chaos showed no interest in it.

I headcanon that the reason why less people were after it in the anime was because in the anime the Imperium Silver Crystal has been known to kill users of it if their not careful enough with it.

This interesting because in the manga Usagi kinda believe that if it wasn't for Silver Crystal people always be fighting over it, starting wars, but as the anime shows that is simply not the case people will fight over things Silver Crystal or not.
I understand the classic anime staff wanting to give the new villains different motivations, but by Stars, the miracle romance and past life themes were pretty much derailed tho. And that's the worst thing Ikuhara's tenure as director did to the anime IMO.
 

Seira Hazuki

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And okay, fine: there are a lot of variants of the Cinderella story that can and have been used as the basis for films, plays, ballets, etc. Let's look at more recent stories that have a singular source version upon which all adaptations are based. Do you know how many dozens upon dozens of Dracula adaptations there are? Alice in Wonderland? Little Women? Frankenstein? A Christmas Carol? Some adaptations take a lot more creative liberties than others, but for the most part they're the same stories with the same characters and the same sequence of key events each time. Toei can keep adapting the same five story arcs, and so long as the animation looks good (or the costumes and visual effects in the case of live action adaptations) and fresh approaches to the material are taken, they'll be fine. We don't need a sixth story arc or even a new side story. (Not saying I wouldn't welcome that; of course my preference would be totally brand new stories. I'm just saying that it's not actually essential to the future of the franchise.
I totally get your point. The difference is that stories like Dracula, Alice, Cinderella etc. don’t nearly ride on nostalgia as much as Sailor Moon and have more profoundly different variations of its story and imagery to keep things fresh, particularly because their creators have passed on and most of these stories are public domain. For example, the differences between Tim Burton’s Alice and American McGee’s Alice are massive despite both of them being darker versions of Alice in Wonderland. And that’s not even mentioning the fact that there’s also new original stories featuring these characters and sometimes even sequels written after the fact (albeit not by the original creators).

I think most of us wouldn’t feel as fatigued after the 100th version of the Dark Kingdom arc if they start putting a new spin on the story... Like changing the order of the Sailor Guardians awakening, having Usagi know she is the Moon Princess from day one, etc. But it’s clear from this topic that not only is Naoko most likely against radical departures to the story, so are Sailor Moon fans. But good luck to Naoko and Toei selling the same exact story with little to no innovation over and over!
 

Masquerade

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I wonder if Naoko has issues with OCD or something iike that.
Paying attention to details is important for everyone in the art business, but I have never seen a creator worrying this much about such minor details as colors on international manga covers and attack translations in countries whose languages they have absolutely no knowledge of.
I'm not trying to bash her or anything, but her fixation with the same stories she created more than 25 years ago is the least "strange" of her demands.
 

Masquerade

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I want the story to be retold from a different point of view, changing the main character or something like this. If Rei is the main character for example the story might change significantly,
At this point, I don't think a retelling would sell at all, no matter how much twisted it is. People are tired of Beryl of the generals, fans from other countries already know what "maboroshi no ginzuishou" means, out of hearing it so much at this point.
Did the colored manga flop? They didn't announce more volumes? If that did indeed happen, maybe they'll lose their faith in retelling the same things over and over again...
 

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Well the Manga Color Edition was only released in digital format ( I bought them trough Amazon JP ) and in Japan ( japanese language ) where the fisic format has the biggest % of the market. I dont think that you can call that a flop for being a product for a very reduced segment of people.

Im sure they havent released more ( they will for sure ) cause they are going slow because coloring a whole manga of thousands of pages takes a lot of time. They released the first 2 volumes cause those were the ones that were finished I guess and was just the first arc. Maybe they want to release them by arcs ( 2 volumes each ).

And pretty much once they finish coloring all the volumes, they will make a physical release cause thats what most of the people still want to buy and pay for... not paying for digital copies.
 
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MementoNepenthe

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I totally get your point. The difference is that stories like Dracula, Alice, Cinderella etc. don’t nearly ride on nostalgia as much as Sailor Moon and have more profoundly different variations of its story and imagery to keep things fresh, particularly because their creators have passed on and most of these stories are public domain. For example, the differences between Tim Burton’s Alice and American McGee’s Alice are massive despite both of them being darker versions of Alice in Wonderland. And that’s not even mentioning the fact that there’s also new original stories featuring these characters and sometimes even sequels written after the fact (albeit not by the original creators).
To give a non-public domain example: there's Agatha Christie's "And Then There Were None." In addition to at least three stage adaptations and two radio plays, there have been four direct English adaptations, five non-English adaptations, and one English film (Mindhunters) that's more of a "loosely based on" take, plus a dozen or so TV adaptations from around the world. There isn't a ton of difference between one adaptation and another; the reason there are so many versions is simply because it's an iconic and incredibly popular mystery story.

Then, of course, there's Scooby-Doo: fifty years of television and film incarnations that, for the most part, are just variations on the same basic monster mystery of the week formula. Occasionally they do something to "shake things up," like adding guest stars or new characters or making the gang a group of middle schoolers, but the series' basic tropes are always in evidence. In fact, it's when the series has most deviated from the tried and true that it's been the least successful in the eyes of fans. People crave familiarity.

I think one of the major criticisms of Crystal was simply the lack of "filler" episodes. As long as Toei can devise some new monster-of-the-week shenanigans for the next reboot, they'll be fine.

I think most of us wouldn’t feel as fatigued after the 100th version of the Dark Kingdom arc if they start putting a new spin on the story... Like changing the order of the Sailor Guardians awakening, having Usagi know she is the Moon Princess from day one, etc. But it’s clear from this topic that not only is Naoko most likely against radical departures to the story, so are Sailor Moon fans. But good luck to Naoko and Toei selling the same exact story with little to no innovation over and over!
I'm honestly not even sure that "radical departures" are even necessary. I mean, the Nogizaka46 musical was probably the most manga faithful adaptation of the DK arc we've gotten to date, and because the production was just such an absolute joyful spectacle, I absolutely loved it. I think heart matters almost more than creativity? I mean, my biggest complaint about the Viz re-dub and Crystal season 1/2 was how soulless and bland it all felt.
 

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Well the Manga Color Edition was only released in digital format ( I bought them trough Amazon JP ) and in Japan ( japanese language ) where the fisic format has the biggest % of the market. I dont think that you can call that a flop for being a product for a very reduced segment of people.

Im sure they havent released more ( they will for sure ) cause they are going slow because coloring a whole manga of thousands of pages takes a lot of time. They released the first 2 volumes cause those were the ones that were finished I guess and was just the first arc. Maybe they want to release them by arcs ( 2 volumes each ).

And pretty much once they finish coloring all the volumes, they will make a physical release cause thats what most of the people still want to buy and pay for... not paying for digital copies.
I agree with you. I can't see the 2 volumes flopping. On the contrary, they were something so surprising that even international fans bought it. And it was like 7 dollars each.
I think they will be released physically for the 30th anniversary and it will be a success.
 
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This is true about Cinderella. The tales of her have been portrayed by a lot of cultures. There's a Chinese Cinderella, African American and beyond so that it appeals to more people. That's why Cinderella has survived for hundreds of years.

Just like Sailor Moon, people want more of it because of the story and finding out it's original darker version made people want that (and still want that).

Cinderella itself, the original tale is quite violent compared to Disney's take, which is tame.

It's like the Sailor Moon manga and the 90's series.
That depends on which version.There is the grim one, and the French one.The French one had the fairy God mother.Why the Grim one had the birds, and the pecking of the eyeballs.
 

MementoNepenthe

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I wonder if Naoko has issues with OCD or something iike that.
Paying attention to details is important for everyone in the art business, but I have never seen a creator worrying this much about such minor details as colors on international manga covers and attack translations in countries whose languages they have absolutely no knowledge of.
I'm not trying to bash her or anything, but her fixation with the same stories she created more than 25 years ago is the least "strange" of her demands.
It's strange because we know that, according to the producers of the Nelke musicals, Naoko told them they could do whatever they wanted. Maybe Naoko's just controlling when it comes to the manga and anime, but has such a soft spot for the musicals she lets them have total creative freedom? (Not that they've really capitalized on that, but still.)
 
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^ And yet, they still haven't made an official Sailor Moon dating simulator game, even though that seems like a really obvious concept.
Because sailor moon is mostly gear towards girls.They are guy fans of sailor moon.Still the series is gear towards girls, and women.It would be mostly out of place to have a dating series of the senshi.
If Sailor Moon was shonen series.Than yah.
 

NJ_

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lol @ Sonic Shuffle

A game that even Sega forgets exists when it comes to porting old games.
 
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It's strange because we know that, according to the producers of the Nelke musicals, Naoko told them they could do whatever they wanted. Maybe Naoko's just controlling when it comes to the manga and anime, but has such a soft spot for the musicals she lets them have total creative freedom? (Not that they've really capitalized on that, but still.)
I think she knows what will make an impact on the franchise and what wont. She knows the manga and anime will be released world wide whereas musicals will only be local.