Senshi vs. Senshi

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Who would win in a fight?

  • Inner Senshi

    Votes: 5 25.0%
  • Outer Senshi

    Votes: 6 30.0%
  • Tie

    Votes: 5 25.0%
  • Neither

    Votes: 4 20.0%

  • Total voters
    20
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Anonymous

#23
So I've forgotten this important piece of data throughout the years. Too bad the site doesn't exist anymore, as I can't access my book now.

So the fun is killed, as the powers of the senshi have already been officially assessed. P-:
 
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Anonymous

#24
This thread needn't be dead here! Even though the power levels of the senshi have already been officially assessed as recalled by dooky, they are done individually. Since the total value of individuals working as a whole group is not necessarily equal to the simple summation of the individual values of individuals working in isolation - it can be larger because of the mutual-facilitating multiplier effect, or smaller because of the mutual-offsetting de-multiplier effect, we can still speculate on the comparative powers of the inners and outers as respective whole groups.

If we compare in this way, no matter what the official assessment is like, there is still room for making one's own assumptions. In my case, to remain in the minority opinion group, I'd assume that the powers of the inners tend to be more mutually facilitating, whereas those of the outers more mutually offsetting. My reason is that the inners tend to work more often as a group as the closest guards of the Lunar Throne, while the outers tend to work more often as independent guards in their respective outposts against enemies from outside the Solar System. (The lesbian relationship between Uranus and Neptune can't be automatically translated to their mutually facilitating working relationship in battles.)

So no matter whether the official power ranking recalled by dooky is correct or not, Hans is busy or not, or I can access my book or not, we can still make our preferred assumptions and have fun!

And as SNK asks in the first sentence of the first post: "Which team do you think would win?" (italics added by me), we may as well consider the two teams working as whole groups.
 

RubyTuesday

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Dec 8, 2003
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#25
I still say the Inner senshi. Dead Scream and Submarine Reflection don't really do anything.

And we can't get into all those "Well Submarine reflection absorbs theyre attack and sends it back at them..etc." because it doesn't.

Here is a good scenario.

Jupiter and Uranus both attack at the same time, causing an explosion. This is were mars does in and uses a seal to keep Uranus still while Mercury freezes her. then Neptune tries to attack mars but her water ball gets frozen in Mercury's "aqua illusion" at this time Neptune goes "GASP!" and Venus sneaks up behind her and trips her with the whipe, then ties her up. Pluto being the weirdo of thr group tries to use dead scream on them but together the 4 girls dodge it and tie her up. The End.
 

Dimentia

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Sep 7, 2005
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#26
You left out Saturn there. Debates about her current age or the powerfulness of her attacks (or lack thereof) beside, she whips that razor-sharp Glaive like it's a TOOTHPICK. I also wouldn't necessarily say that Dead Scream does nothing, as I recall it being powerful enough to destroy a couple of Nehellenia clones. (I may have to rewatch those episodes though, it's been at least a year.)
 

RubyTuesday

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#27
Dimentia said:
You left out Saturn there. Debates about her current age or the powerfulness of her attacks (or lack thereof) beside, she whips that razor-sharp Glaive like it's a TOOTHPICK. I also wouldn't necessarily say that Dead Scream does nothing, as I recall it being powerful enough to destroy a couple of Nehellenia clones. (I may have to rewatch those episodes though, it's been at least a year.)
Opps, you're right. Well uh..Saturn was off saving Chibi Usa or something. I don't ever remember there being any blood with either Uranus' sword nor Saturn's Glaive :grey:
 

Toy Soldier

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#28
Dimentia said:
I also wouldn't necessarily say that Dead Scream does nothing, as I recall it being powerful enough to destroy a couple of Nehellenia clones.
Submarine reflection do it too 8)
don't forget that Pluto can use a barrier, the "garnet ball"and Neptune her violin, see the manga :)
 
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Anonymous

#32
I agree with Dimentia that Dead Scream is a powerful weapon. Actually I've been always thinking that it could be some kinda sonic weapon, along the lines of those described in Frank Herbert's classic SF novel Dune. If so, it'd be seriously powerful. (Correct me if there is official SM literature saying otherwise. :P )

Neptune's violin might also be such weapon, though I'm not quite fluent in the manga. (In Chinese mythology, there's a havenly guy who uses pipa, a Chinese string instrument, as his weapon. And it's really powerful. I don't know if this mythology has got to Japan like others in the past and inspired Takeuchi in this respect.)
 

Theedqueen

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Feb 13, 2004
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#34
SNK Ranger said:
What was the purpose of Neptune getting a freakin' mirror if she's just gonna end up using her violin instead? I never liked the violin
I don't think she replaced her mirror with her violin, it's that whenever she's using the attack with her violin, she uses her violin, and when she's attacking with her mirror, she uses her mirror. Also, the mirror has other purposes besides being used for submarine reflection.
 
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#35
I put my money on the inner solar system--if for no other logical reason than that I'm partial to them. They're secondary to Sailor Moon--the Outers are tertiary in my book.

Regardless, I feel this senshi vs. senshi scenario is akin to the senshi vs. 4 sisters scenario. It's just plain HOTT.
 

moonie1995

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#36
I agree, even though the outer senshi have more powerful individual attacks, I believe that the powers of the inner senshi compliment Sailor Moon's power much better than the outer senshi's powers. And while each inner senshi doesn't have a strong singular attack, they have more variety in the way that they use their attacks (for example, Venus has the Love Me Chain to either injure an enemy or to tie up someone, Mars has her scroll to disable an enemy or she can use one of her individual attacks, etc). I ever so slightly cast my vote for the inner senshi.
 
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Anonymous

#37
That's because the Inners are "designed" for close combats, while the Outers for large-scale long-range destruction.

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Neptune's mirror of course has other purposes: for makeup (and I don't mean senshi transformation), hair setting, etc. :D I've seen a woman who has a small mirror in the pocket of her outer jacket and frequently takes it out to check her face and hair whenever she's free to do so.
 
#38
Rika-Chicchi said:
While I agree with you in terms of logical thinking, but since Takeuchi hasn't released any technical data/specs of the senshi's combat capabilities for outside scrutiny and analysis yet, it's open for varying speculations basing on one's own preferred assumptions.
In that case, if we are want to draw logical inferences, the best thing to do is examine the effects of the special attacks in the anime and manga. Various information, such as the relativistic mass, time dilation, and kinetic energy for an object of arbitrary mass and velocity, can be determined. The amount of energy that Sailor Saturn's Silence Glaive unleashes when she brings it down to destroy the world can be determined (perhaps more than 1E9 -- 1,000,000,000 -- megatons).

Yes, the BSSM SuperS Movie Memorial Album has a section that shows charts for attack powers. Archive.com has some sections of the original site:
http://web.archive.org/web/200304151036 ... /dojo.html
Unfortunately, not all of the sites have been saved at Archive.org.
(And the Sabão Spray section actually shows Sabão Spray. :))
I have that book (I find it odd that Jayus didn't know that I had it, too.) Both Dead Scream and Submarine Reflection both have attack-power levels.

Dead Scream: 8.5 (out of 10, the highest)
Submarine Reflection: 5.5 (out of 10, the highest)
 
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Anonymous

#39
Thank you so much for the archive link, Antie! Now I seem to have some vague memory of that - do the data presented in multidimensional "star" graphs for each senshi in the book?

:lol: Once I thought you came direct from the Roman era. In pre-empire ancient China, there is an equivalent: "tzu" (sp?). So Confucius is pronounced as "Kung Tzu" in Chinese. It's interesting that the kanji of "tzu" is the same as that commonly used nowadays for the last syllable of Japanese girls' names, i.e. "ko" as in "Minako".

Concerning your logical inferences, I think it can work, but only under the condition that the senshi's attacks operate according to known physical principles and basic axioms. If they work under totally different, maybe otherworldly or ultra-dimensional, principles (you could use the word "magic" to sum them up if you like), then you won't be able to make such inferences.
 

Toy Soldier

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#40
Yes, the BSSM SuperS Movie Memorial Album has a section that shows charts for attack powers. Archive.com has some sections of the original site:
http://web.archive.org/web/200304151036 ... /dojo.html
Unfortunately, not all of the sites have been saved at Archive.org.
(And the Sabão Spray section actually shows Sabão Spray. :))
I have that book (I find it odd that Jayus didn't know that I had it, too.) Both Dead Scream and Submarine Reflection both have attack-power levels.

Dead Scream: 8.5 (out of 10, the highest)
Submarine Reflection: 5.5 (out of 10, the highest)
Antie can you translate the senshi's attack descriptions and charts?
Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee, I'm very interested :)