Should there ever be a new Sailor Moon manga?

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Actually, I 100% agree that they share responsibility for that. It's not like Naoko's done no work towards the art book re-release (she's done a handful of new illustrations at the very least), but it's obviously not something she has any passion for, because if this were really something she wanted to see happen, it would have happened by now. At the same time, it's also obviously not something Kodansha really cares about either. If they did, they wouldn't have started advertising it as coming soon in magazines and then never following through. And it's not like it's something that requires anything extensive from Naoko apart from new cover art (which they obviously already have) and maybe a signature on a contract (which they also probably have) since the first art book was advertised as an omnibus re-release of the first three art books. Unless some of that art work has been lost the way they lost a chunk of her manuscript for PQ Angels, the only explanation I can think of for the lack of this project's materialization is that Kodansha and Naoko aren't really interested in it. Maybe they did some market research and found there wasn't a lot of interest among Japanese fans? Who knows. But I'm sure Osabu will keep telling us it's coming until the day he dies.

Anyway.




I'm no stranger to criticizing Naoko. I have enormous love and respect for her and the manga, but I was the one who started the Manga Art Errors thread wherein I've pointed out a number of inconsistencies, weird art choices, and other things. I've criticized her numerous times for repeatedly recycling character designs, her repeated use of non-consensual kisses (generally framed as being romantic), plot holes and inconsistencies in the manga, weak characterization of anyone not named Usagi or Mamoru, how sloppy and self-derivative the Stars arc was, her problematic depiction of LGBT characters throughout her work, etc. I'm the first to say she's not beyond criticism. I have no problem with people criticizing her; I have a problem with the way people criticize her.

For example: Fans calling her lazy for not doing something they want her to do or something they say they would do if they were in her shoes is absurd. The relentless Ferrari jokes are tiresome. And you can criticize her for milking that Sailor Moon cash cow, I guess, but...it's not like she's the only author to ever do that? It's pretty standard for books (manga and non-manga alike) to get multiple re-issues over the years without any differences apart from cover art and maybe some internal illustrations (if any). There have been numerous editions of the Harry Potter books over the years; is Naoko milking her cash cow any more than Jo is? At least Naoko isn't marring her series' legacy by tweeting out that during the Silver Millennium, Queen Serenity used the Silver Crystal to keep the palace chamber pots sparkling clean.

In short: There are valid things to criticize Naoko about, and there are things that are just silly and come off as entitled whining. She isn't perfect, but she also doesn't owe anyone anything. She can do what she wants with her series, and you can do what you want with your money/support.
Bravo! This was well put.
 

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To answer the original question, without stopping to respond to any of the discussion in-between:

While i don't think there needs to be a new manga, it could be interesting, be it a continuation by Naoko Takeushi or handed off to a new author (it's been quite a while and I'm not really sure she'd want to do one).

I don't think trying to adapt Crystal into a manga would be a very interesting route because that would be repeating far too much stuff from the original manga, and Crystal's unique twists, while interesting, aren't always straight up improvements (like Usagi using the sword instead of Minako, or the loss of the disturbing horror imagery which is a tradeoff) / don't expand the overall scope of the story much.

As far as I would want to see, I would be open to something that takes place in the distant past (expanding on the history of Silver Millennium, the Golden Kingdom- especially the GK of course since I'm obsessed with the Dark Kingdom-, the history of the animamates, etc), or a sequel series that expands upon Crystal Tokyo. Rather than seeing a whole bunch of new characters, I'd rather bring back old characters (Sailor Moon already has a ton of good ones worth revisitng), with just small expansions, like maybe seeing the king/queen of the Golden Kingdom, or Sailor Heavy Metal Papillon's daughter, etc.

In other words, I'd like to see the distant past and distant future as clearly (including all the goofy humor) as we did the 20th century, and wouldn't hesitate to make parallels like, Princess Serenity turns out to be not that much more graceful than Usagi Tsukino, or it turns out the Shitennou used to be teenage goofballs not unlike the Inner Senshi, etc. Basically I'd want to see the magical kingdoms treated with the same sort of levity and tone as the 20th century was, just in more of a fantasy setting.

I would also be interested in a new continuity that grabs ideas from the manga and the '90s anime (and maybe even a few concepts from the live action series and musicals) and puts them together in a new way (like taking advantage of how the anime expanded Naru and Umino, but keeping the manga premise of Mamoru having the shitennou stones to talk to). Maybe a more complex multi-thread story involving different villain groups interacting (like the Death Busters meet the Dead Moon circus, or the Black Moon travels further back in time to Silver Millennium, etc). New twists on the familiar, while keeping it all very recognizable (not a total redesign/deconstruction like the live action series); that sort of thing. I'd also love to see more done with minor characters who had more potential, like Thetis, Ryo Urawa, Sailor Lethe and Sailor Mnemosyne, etc.

And that goes for manga format or anime format... I'm not picky. :keke:
 

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I'd like to see Takeuchi writing a manga mocking herself, other related persons in Kodansha & Toei, & domestic & overseas fans throughout the decades of the franchise, w/ a coverage of the bootleg items too. :D
 
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I'd like to see Takeuchi writing a manga mocking herself, other related persons in Kodansha & Toei, & domestic & overseas fans throughout the decades of the franchise, w/ a coverage of the bootleg items too. :D
Well, mock mangas I have seen in Renaud Bray are of One Piece and Death Note. I'm not saying it's impossible for a Sailor Moon mock up.

Though, with the novelization of the manga, one would expect it'll be on eReaders. Which it still isn't.
 

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Perhaps a manga detective series about the conspiracies of how and why a certain manuscript about magical girl cockcroaches disappeared.............................

Spoiler: show
.........................including cinematic footages showcasing Porsche's and Ferrari's. :yoshi:
 

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If/when Crystal gets to Stars, they should just replace Sailors Phi and Chi with the PQ Angels and tie the two series together. (They can be Sailor Peanut Cockroach and Sailor Cucumber Cockroach, and they can fight against Sailor Pluto, exploiting her fear of cockroaches.)
 
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I'm of mixed minds of a new series.

On one hand, it is precisely what this franchise needs to actually become culturally relevant AND rake in a bigger profit. There is no other franchise of Sailor Moon's caliber that completely stopped making new material. When Sailor Moon Crystal was airing, it was easily TOEI's fourth most profitable property. Think. This was a property that had stopped producing any material for ten years and yet when it came back, the floodgates opened.

On the other hand, it's clear that this is neither the path that Naoko Takeuchi or the existing fanbase wants. People are happy with the 90's anime exactly the way they want it. They don't want Crystal. They don't want PGSM. They don't even want the manga. They want the anime in Japanese with subtitles and everything exactly as it aired in 1992. And as long as the franchise is making money, it isn't going to worry about more money.
 
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I'm of mixed minds of a new series.

On one hand, it is precisely what this franchise needs to actually become culturally relevant AND rake in a bigger profit. There is no other franchise of Sailor Moon's caliber that completely stopped making new material. When Sailor Moon Crystal was airing, it was easily TOEI's fourth most profitable property. Think. This was a property that had stopped producing any material for ten years and yet when it came back, the floodgates opened.

On the other hand, it's clear that this is neither the path that Naoko Takeuchi or the existing fanbase wants. People are happy with the 90's anime exactly the way they want it. They don't want Crystal. They don't want PGSM. They don't even want the manga. They want the anime in Japanese with subtitles and everything exactly as it aired in 1992. And as long as the franchise is making money, it isn't going to worry about more money.
Why don't they want PGSM? I'm curious.
 

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I'm of mixed minds of a new series.

On one hand, it is precisely what this franchise needs to actually become culturally relevant AND rake in a bigger profit. There is no other franchise of Sailor Moon's caliber that completely stopped making new material. When Sailor Moon Crystal was airing, it was easily TOEI's fourth most profitable property. Think. This was a property that had stopped producing any material for ten years and yet when it came back, the floodgates opened.

On the other hand, it's clear that this is neither the path that Naoko Takeuchi or the existing fanbase wants. People are happy with the 90's anime exactly the way they want it. They don't want Crystal. They don't want PGSM. They don't even want the manga. They want the anime in Japanese with subtitles and everything exactly as it aired in 1992. And as long as the franchise is making money, it isn't going to worry about more money.
This is generalization, and it is not even completely true. I, personally, like the manga, some people love the musicals, other PGSM, and surprise - Crystal is not devoted of fans. Yes the 90s anime is what started it outside Japan, but not everyone want it subbed. You are talking about a large group of a very large fanbase. I, personally, don't think a sequel or even spin-off is needed, I doubtvit will mesh well with new tendencies in the shoujo genre and it will rob the franchise of it "classic" status.
 
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Why don't they want PGSM? I'm curious.
Because it's not the 90's anime.

There is a significant plurality of fans, if not a majority of fans, that define "Sailor Moon" as that solely animated show that came on TV in the 90's. While some people are able to look past the whole "live action Sailor Moon" aspect of PGSM, many Sailor Moon fans are uninterested in it. It doesn't help that Sailor Moon derived its popularity from being visually distinctive and having well-animated stock sequences while PGSM...did not wow visually to say the least. Or that PGSM is in Japanese with Japanese actors and the international fan base for live-action, unadapted Japanese TV shows is very, very small.

This is generalization, and it is not even completely true. I, personally, like the manga, some people love the musicals, other PGSM, and surprise - Crystal is not devoted of fans. Yes the 90s anime is what started it outside Japan, but not everyone want it subbed. You are talking about a large group of a very large fanbase. I, personally, don't think a sequel or even spin-off is needed, I doubtvit will mesh well with new tendencies in the shoujo genre and it will rob the franchise of it "classic" status.
It's a generalization, but it's verifiable.

You specifically like the manga. But you can easily count the number of manga-only topics here within even the past two pages vs the number of topic about the old anime. In fact, the old anime is so pervasive, it is what people usually expect one to talk about unless you explicitly mention the manga. Heck, even the musicals are being discussed more than the manga.

This fan base is not large. It has the capacity to grow, and Crystal, just by virtue of being new material, brought new eyes, but it wasn't sustained and interest has fallen, yet again.
 

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Because it's not the 90's anime.

There is a significant plurality of fans, if not a majority of fans, that define "Sailor Moon" as that solely animated show that came on TV in the 90's. While some people are able to look past the whole "live action Sailor Moon" aspect of PGSM, many Sailor Moon fans are uninterested in it. It doesn't help that Sailor Moon derived its popularity from being visually distinctive and having well-animated stock sequences while PGSM...did not wow visually to say the least. Or that PGSM is in Japanese with Japanese actors and the international fan base for live-action, unadapted Japanese TV shows is very, very small.



It's a generalization, but it's verifiable.

You specifically like the manga. But you can easily count the number of manga-only topics here within even the past two pages vs the number of topic about the old anime. In fact, the old anime is so pervasive, it is what people usually expect one to talk about unless you explicitly mention the manga. Heck, even the musicals are being discussed more than the manga.

This fan base is not large. It has the capacity to grow, and Crystal, just by virtue of being new material, brought new eyes, but it wasn't sustained and interest has fallen, yet again.
Do you seriously thing every fan that cares about the show is on this forum. I was fan since I remember and found it last year. Not everyone cares about forums, or shame on stuff they don't like to make it clear what they do like. I never said you are wrong saying 90s anime is the most popular, but the fact you think most people want the 90s anime all over again. And stop thinking this forum comprised the fanbase. This is rather silly.
 
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I don't want 90 s anime.Its done its been done for decades. I don't want another 90 s anime. I want a crystal or new adaption base on the manga. I have been a fan since I was 15 years old. Now I'm older.
 
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Because it's not the 90's anime.

There is a significant plurality of fans, if not a majority of fans, that define "Sailor Moon" as that solely animated show that came on TV in the 90's. While some people are able to look past the whole "live action Sailor Moon" aspect of PGSM, many Sailor Moon fans are uninterested in it. It doesn't help that Sailor Moon derived its popularity from being visually distinctive and having well-animated stock sequences while PGSM...did not wow visually to say the least. Or that PGSM is in Japanese with Japanese actors and the international fan base for live-action, unadapted Japanese TV shows is very, very small
I think I can see that now, thank you!
 
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Do you seriously thing every fan that cares about the show is on this forum. I was fan since I remember and found it last year. Not everyone cares about forums, or shame on stuff they don't like to make it clear what they do like. I never said you are wrong saying 90s anime is the most popular, but the fact you think most people want the 90s anime all over again. And stop thinking this forum comprised the fanbase. This is rather silly.
I agree with you that this forum is not truly representative of the fandom.

This forum is actually biased towards the manga, PGSM, and the musicals as far as fans go, solely on the fact that fans here are generally more knowledgeable. Outside this forum, the 90's anime is even more popular than it is here because outside the forum, the other iterations are far less known among fans. So if a recent thread sample is biased in favor of the old anime in a place that is a multi-continuity Sailor Moon haven, how much more would it be biased in favor of it in the general fandom.

What's more telling is the reception that anything new gets.
  • The new translation of the manga was trashed from the start.
  • The new anime, Crystal, was trashed from the start.
  • Initially, despite the mass following on these forums, PGSM was once trashed (its reputation has been rehabilitated with time).
There is a core segment of fans who think the old anime is truly Sailor Moon and nothing else should be considered as such.

Again, I agree with you that there are a lot of "phantom" fans or casual Sailor Moon fans that never or rarely declare their love of Sailor Moon who would be willing to invest time in a new Sailor Moon adaptation. However, it's likely from what I've observed outside the this forum they are overwhelmingly fans of the old anime . By default, that is what they want.

Diehards converge on the niche.
 
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And once again you are most likely talking about the USA and Sailor Moon is popular in other countries. And why do you think the new version of the manga was trashed - because it was delayed? By your logic the 90s show should be on that list as well as it was delayed several times by VIZ, the quality they offered till SUPERS was horrible and 5 years later they still haven't finished it. This is not indicative. If the previous manga edition didn't sell well (and it did) in the USA, they wouldn't have re-release it now. People were open about new adaptation. The problem with Crystal is not that is not the 90s anime.
 
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The 90's anime isn't on that list because the general Sailor Moon fandom wants to prop Viz up at all costs. Again, they worship the 90's anime to the point where all of its flaws are overlooked...since after all, most of them want to watch the subbed version anyway and don't even care about the dub. They just want their product.

People forget that when the new anime was announced, quite a few fans immediately claimed they'd rather have a re-release of the old anime than a new one - sight and title unknown. This sentiment only grew to the point where people were more excited for a redub than all new material in Sailor Moon Crystal. Heck, people are more excited about the release of Stars than the movies. This fandom just wants the "perfect" version of the same old story.

It's not just the U.S. In Japan, while Sailor Moon is widely known and a recognized, iconic, property, the overwhelming majority of the merchandise is featuring the old anime.

Again, this board isn't representative because it mellowed out. If you say anything bad about the old anime outside of here -- especially the video quality of the re-release -- the fans will vilify you for attacking the hard work of Naoko Takeuchi, and if you point out she created the manga but wasn't that involved in the anime outside of a couple of early points, prepare to get tarred and feathered.