Should Usagi have forgiven Beryl in the 90's anime? Why didn't she?

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MariaTenebre

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This was never stated in the old show. All they said was Beryl was a witch that brainwashed humanity with the help of an evil entity. The old show never statedshe turned evil out of unrequited love. Yes she told Endymikn hecould marry her beforekilling him, but it was a very different from turned evil out of jealousy. Beryl was never described as previously human and innocent in the 90s. You are mixing up with the rpg plot where they indeed madeher more sympathetic.
It was stated that Beryl did what she did because Endymion didn't love her. This was referenced in the end as well when Queen Beryl says after Sailor Moon undoes her brainwashing of Endymion that she won't allow her to take him away from her again. So it was pretty much stated in so much words and implied. Plus it was outright stated in some extra 90s anime materials.
 

Clow

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Well there was not any connection to chaos in the 90s anime. If you are talking about the manga - yes, this is the case.
In that case, we can say that Beryl was possessed by Metallia and that Sailor Moon could have healed/saved Beryl with the power of the Silver Crystal.
 
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Because the pattern was established after the first series. The trend of human esque villains redeeming themselves didn’t really start until R. The only Classic baddie that showed any capability for redemption died.
Nephrite managed to redeem himself so it actually did in fact start in Classic, granted it was only through death but who's to say Beryl shouldn't have gotten a similar scenario?


Entire genocide of the Moon people. But okay I guess it’s not that bad.
And Galaxia genocided out not just one but multiple planets and yet she was still redeemed?




As mentioned by others, Sailor Moon was not "Forgive & Forget" in Classic. This was a heroine petty enough to suggest killing a monster of the day instead of healing her just so her human self wouldn't be with Venus' crush. Furthermore, Toei clearly had no intention of trying to make Beryl sympathetic at all and went in their own direction. They wanted a classic tale of good vs. evil. They got it.

If you believe Beryl could have been portrayed more sympathetically in the anime, that is one thing. There's nothing wrong for wishing for an adaptation in which she were shown in a more favorable light, and if one were to scrape the manga and other continuities (like her being a sage, her being engaged to Endymion, her unrealized love for Princess Serenity) for a comprehensive backstory, it's easy where you could make a Beryl who would at least deserve to be redeemed. As she is in the old anime, though, she deserved to die.

To be fair, this is probably the only possibly pitiable point. Did Beryl really have a choice in this life?

Since we aren't shown her perspective in the anime, we don't know what her human life was like to the point where you could easily ignore that she had one.

The manga, though, clearly hints that she really didn't have much of a choice as we was supernaturally called to revive Metalia and become the queen of the Dark Kingdom. Just like the other characters, it was inevitable that she would awaken. Yet every single adaptation, including Crystal, downplays it or ignores this point altogether. It's weird that PGSM, for all of it pushing of reincarnation, never touches on the idea that Beryl had a human life. I guess it reserved that plot point for Shin/Kunzite.

Any pity, though, is tossed aside when you realize the human Beryl had been consumed by a past life long ago.
I just more find it baffling the fact that Beryl wasn't portrayed sympathetically when the 90's anime had a penchant for softening up the villains yet somehow, Beryl ends up coming out looking more sympathetic in the manga when it's usually the other way around for this series villains.

You bring up an excellent point though, that does beg the question, was Beryl even reincarnated the "normal" way in the 90's anime? We know she was in the manga, and the Shittenou were to, but the 90's anime doesn't make any mention of this, in fact we're to infer, at least from the DIC dub, that she was never meant to be straight reincarnated, that Queen Serenity simply sealed her and the rest of the Dark Kingdom away through the Silver Crystal and that they broke free and continued on where they left off during the modern era. What are your theories on this?


90s Anime Beryl is very much a one-dimensional, generic cartoon villain, with very little personality or internal life beyond "I'm evil and I want to take over the universe, maybe get a little action on the side from this prince dude." (Which is why Naz Edwards's performance in the DIC dub was perfect; it at least gave her some added campy flair.) It's not surprising that she wasn't redeemed. And, like Nadia said, Usagi is season one was NOT particularly forgiving.

That said: Beryl is one of the most compelling characters in this franchise IMO, and she deserves so much better. I want her backstory (both Silver Millennium era and her reincarnated, pre-Metallia life) to be properly explored. I want the tragedy of her character to be treated with the sympathy it deserves. I want her to be redeemed and get to have a happy ending as Setsuna's partner for once.
She really does deserve to be explored more, she's one of if not THE most iconic villain in the franchise, when the average fan thinks of Sailor Moon the first person they think of when it comes to it's villains is usually Beryl, she's pretty much the villain "face" of the franchise.

More-so sometimes I'm just utterly confused with some of the 90's anime writing choices, it's really bizarre that for a version that was so gung-ho on making the villains sympathetic and giving them more character Beryl was the one villain they actively took away character from and portrayed her as much more villainous than in the manga, I'd just like to know the reason behind this decision cause it's certainly a strange one, especially the fact that they did do it to Beryl of all people, the franchise's titular villain who's portrayed sympathetically in practically every other version of the story! It's just one of those story choices that makes me scratch my head.
 
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I think they made her less sympathetic for three reasons.

First and foremost, they may not have known what direction the story was going in the manga, so they did have to wing it, and were only able to incorportate manga elements sporadically. Basically they had to figure out what the story was going to be on their own.

Second is that Sailor Moon has to have an ultimate enemy to overcome. If you make every bad guy sympathetic, it robs the story of its punch. Unfortunately, the anime writers had no idea how long Sailor Moon would go on or anything that came later like Chaos. Give the kids someone to hate and Sailor Moon can kick her but.

Third is that maybe Toei took a cue from one of their other animated series and deliberately tried to turn her into a Frieza-like figure. It's paint by numbers storytelling, but given when you make the hero the last of the special people, not serving that killer of the special people lethal justice would be a hard sell for kids.
 

GalX3

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Yes, I do think that Sailor Moon should have tried to save Beryl. But she may not have been experienced enough at the time to believe in herself enough to feel that doing so was even possible. Perhaps Beryl's defeat was a catalyst for Usagi to grow emotionally and try even harder to save everyone. I'm sure she feels regret for not having being able to save the people of the dark kingdom. If you track this character growth it eventual leads to her accepting that light and dark (and shades of grey) are all part of the inevitable balance of the universe and continues to play her part eternally as the shining beacon we know as Sailor Cosmos.

Also, I really liked PGSM Beryl so much more than manga or anime Beryl. That moment at the end when Jadeite kneels before her, mind control removed, and states that he still wants to be by her side is so moving.
 
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Nephrite managed to redeem himself so it actually did in fact start in Classic, granted it was only through death but who's to say Beryl shouldn't have gotten a similar scenario?
I already mentioned Nephrite in my post that you quoted. Nephrite was the outlier in Classic. Again it didn’t actually become a TREND until R where all but 3 baddies reformed to some extent.



And Galaxia genocided out not just one but multiple planets and yet she was still redeemed?
Missing the point. My point isn’t that the show COULDN’T have made Beryl good. My point is saying what Beryl did “wasn’t that bad” is plainly incorrect.





You bring up an excellent point though, that does beg the question, was Beryl even reincarnated the "normal" way in the 90's anime? We know she was in the manga, and the Shittenou were to, but the 90's anime doesn't make any mention of this, in fact we're to infer, at least from the DIC dub, that she was never meant to be straight reincarnated, that Queen Serenity simply sealed her and the rest of the Dark Kingdom away through the Silver Crystal and that they broke free and continued on where they left off during the modern era. What are your theories on this?
They all but said they were reincarnated in episode 44.


She really does deserve to be explored more, she's one of if not THE most iconic villain in the franchise, when the average fan thinks of Sailor Moon the first person they think of when it comes to it's villains is usually Beryl, she's pretty much the villain "face" of the franchise.

More-so sometimes I'm just utterly confused with some of the 90's anime writing choices, it's really bizarre that for a version that was so gung-ho on making the villains sympathetic and giving them more character Beryl was the one villain they actively took away character from and portrayed her as much more villainous than in the manga, I'd just like to know the reason behind this decision cause it's certainly a strange one, especially the fact that they did do it to Beryl of all people, the franchise's titular villain who's portrayed sympathetically in practically every other version of the story! It's just one of those story choices that makes me scratch my head.
Because again the idea to do sympathetic villains who could be reformed really didn’t start until R. Excluding Nephrite it didn’t become Toei’s thing until the Makai aliens and the Akayashi sisters.
 

Neo King Rose

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90s anime Beryl seemed more like she was bad no matter what no goodness in her probably used Metalia for her own ends and in exchange
gave her energy maybe from the humans who weren't so lucky to live through her brain washing that's just head canon though

manga beryl I can say was a human who got twisted by her jealousy of serenity and endy and metalia took advantage of her
 
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They all but said they were reincarnated in episode 44.
They only ever mention the 7 Great Youma being reincarnated as regular humans and that's probably only because the Rainbow Crystals were sealed within them. They never make any specific mention of Beryl and the Shittenou though as far as I can recall. I think you could headcanon it either way in the 90's anime, they were either reincarnated regularly but somehow got their memories back and reestablished the Dark Kingdom, or they were simply sealed, broke free and started up where they left off.
 
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MariaTenebre

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I will add Tsundereshipper that Sailor Galaxia took out these planets because she was under control of Chaos. There is some debate atleast on Beryl's free will when she joined Metalia. She clearly joined of her own free will due to her unrequited love for Endymion and hatred of Princess Serenity but there is some debate whether or not Queen Metalia twisted Beryl mentally to be more evil then she was. I do know for the Shitennou that they were more sympathetic as they chose to believe Beryl because she led them to believe that Princess Serenity had bewitched Endymion in a ploy to take over the Earth and also their memories were altered and were indeed brainwashed by Beryl and Metalia but I don't know if Beryl was. However if say Nehellenia can be forgiven for something similar then so can Beryl the difference was there was no opportunity to do so in the 90s anime all though it was explored and done in say the PC Engine game and various Sera Myu.
 

Tuxedo Kevin

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The "forgiving Usagi" pattern didn't came out of nowhere, though. After she kills Kunzite using Healing Escalation, she has a sad expression on her face. She felt truly sorry for having to murder him.