Terrible season.

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Just finished watching SuperS last night. There were so many things about the season that made no sense. Namely, how Pegasus was a secret during everyone's normal lives yet was called by Chibiusa during fights often at the request of Tuxedo Mask or other senshi. And how lack of a dream mirror would cause people to die.

For those who have seen the Crystal equivalent which will be repackaged into a movie, is it any better?

For those who have seen Stars, does it get better again?
 

Yamoon

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Well somehow and even after the master success of the 3th season in the 90’s, they took once upon a time the very “stupid decision” (at least for me) to turn the SuperS season about Chibi Usa and getting really far away from the manga counterparts story (which is for me the best arc).

I can remember how frustrated I was at this time when I have to see weeks after weeks a new filler episode with zero evolution and all the time the same jokes, fight etc... (they even forgot that the girls were supposed to go to school during this season and supposed to enter in high school; even when it was a major point in S season...)

They are still good episodes (let’s say the first 3 ones, 4 in the middle of the season and the last 5 episodes but the rest is $&$&; hmm and maybe the 3 Special episodes) , good designs, and interesting villains.

But for me it’s like most of the episodes of SuperS are not about SM but about some third role characters that we’ll never hear anymore anyway. I mean comon Sailor Moon cannot even attack without this freaking horse lol.

I really never understood why they decided to go into this direction (not to mention the disparition of the Outers who were extremely popular ; who appear just in one special episode...).

Sadly the ratings went massive down and TOEI took the decision at the end of SuperS that the next season will be the last one...and start the Star season by trying to fix the mess of SuperS...

(Well at least now, you can watch marathon episodes and don’t have to wait weekly to see the season so somehow it makes it more bearable for me...)
 
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There are some things I like about SuperS. The animation is gorgeous, the quirky and fairy tale-like atmosphere is fascinating, and it has one of my favorite finales of the series. But all this gets boggled down by the fact that it has such a slow-moving plot. Also, Chibiusa just isn't a popular enough character to carry a whole season. The directors should have taken the manga route and divided attention between Chibiusa, Usagi, Mamoru, and the other senshi.
 
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Does anyone know whether the drastic change in the storyline was due the manga chapters not being ready by the time the season was in production or was it solely a creative choice? Is there any evidence of either scenario? It seems odd they strayed so far from the manga this season. Usually, the biggest changes were made out of necessity such as the Doom Tree Arc or Chibi-Chibi's role so I'm wondering if that's the case for SuperS too.
 
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There were so many things about the season that made no sense. Namely, how lack of a dream mirror would cause people to die.
Just like the lack of a Pure Heart Crystal or lack of a Star Seed. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's a Fairytale Universe, so just lean back and enjoy. A thing which often also didn't make much sense to me was the choice of people who had these objects inside. How would being an aspiring professional Drummer, Jockey, Astrophysicist, Computer Programmer/Video Game Arcade Owner, Dessert Bar Waitress etc. qualify for Pureheartedness? I could somehow understand it in the cases of a Monk/Nun or that remorseful Aristocrat who spent his riches on helping young people in building the Future. But in the classical sense, wasn't a person with a 'pure heart' just one who was innocent, still a virgin, chastice and/or unshaken in their religious beliefs or so?

P. S.: On a side note, this is a world I wouldn't dare to enter without being heavily armoured because 1.) Villains and Monsters could target me for one of these objects and 2.) having at least a fistful of ever-horny girls hitting on me for reminding them of their Ex-Lover, absent Soulmate, horrid parent or whatever reason on a daily basis kinda sucks. :)
 
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Does anyone know whether the drastic change in the storyline was due the manga chapters not being ready by the time the season was in production or was it solely a creative choice? Is there any evidence of either scenario? It seems odd they strayed so far from the manga this season. Usually, the biggest changes were made out of necessity such as the Doom Tree Arc or Chibi-Chibi's role so I'm wondering if that's the case for SuperS too.
The only thing I remember reading was that TOEI wanted at this time to return to a lighter tone than the previous S season; maybe also attract new younger viewers (with Chibiusa)... Still it was at the end a big failure for me.

I don't remember Naoko saying anything about this 4th Season, excepted that she participate to the design of the SuperS movie characters (the notes that she used to write in the manga reduced as well drasticaly during this arc ...)
 

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While I do enjoy some things about SuperS, I do hold that it's my least favorite season. Stars is quite a bit better in my opinion, although it suffers some of the same flaws and your mileage may vary.

My biggest complaint is the long stretch of overly formulaic behavior (Zirconia yells at trio; Amazon trio member picks somebody in a photo; creeps on that person in a suggestive manner; gets rejected, un-disguises, does the 1-2-3 routine with the table and the questionable imagery with the head-shoving and the giggling; Usagi and Chibi-Usa, who for some reason already met the victim probably through contrivance, show up just in time; Trio member runs off, tells monster to kill the victim for no reason with no followup; wacky circus battle; long double-attack scene of twinkle yell pegasus flashy thing moon gorgeous medizzzzzzzz; hasty wrapup and never speak of it again). This sort of thing happened to a lesser extent before and since in the show, but it's definitely the most grating here, because it is so overly similar that it's tiresome. The latter half of the season remembers how to have the villain plans not constantly work in a line-for-line pattern like this, and is much better for it, although Zirconia still stays samey and dull until near the end, which is a shame because she had a memorably creepy look.

And yeah, Pegasus is kind of an unlikeable chore to watch for most of the season due to what feels like the writers being compelled not to reveal anything useful about him until the last minute. The result is a character who's far too secretive, yet demands blind faith and support from others, which is yucky. Also, you're right that it's weird that Chibi-Usa keeps her involvement with him a secret for so long; both in terms of why (it's really yucky) and how (Sailor Moon takes so long to ask Chibi-Moon any questions about this pegasus magic and what she knows about it, but again, why?). He's still kind of interesting in the end- I sort of infer that he felt he was under an oath of secrecy, and failed to recognize Mamoru as Endymion until near the end?- but it's just sloppy writing I think.

Plus, another interesting weird thing somebody pointed out to me, which I'm inclined to see as an animation error- there's this blink-and-you-miss-it moment in the SuperS finale where we see what looks like Princess Serenity holding the golden crystal, except, Chibi-Usa's got it. Maybe it was supposed to be Nehelennia having a flashback to Queen Serenity, but as far as I know she shouldn't have had the Golden Crystal at any point either... so I think the animators / storyboard writers just screwed up on that one. It's so quick it's kind of up for interpretation, but it's weird in any case.

That said, I do like Chibi-Usa as a character (she's far from my favorite, but she's got good moments; especially in R), I'm okay with the dream mirror concept (what even are these soul macguffins that people die without, like pure heart crystals? I just take them as a genre conceit, like if the villain was stealing a portion of your brain or something, but it's pretty because magic), I like the last two episodes of the Amazon Trio, I like various random amusing bits (Diana's intro episode is pretty fun, or the Minako double date one), the Quartet are kinda cool (although they look quite ridiculous, but that's okay), and various parts kinda work. I don't hate SuperS, it just pales in comparison to the show's high points.

Stars does have some iffy logic, and it's own episodic moments (though it never drags on as long as the Trio arc.... I'm still ticked they got the longest villain arc, when there's so many better villain arcs unless you count- ah, nevermind), but I enjoyed it a whole lot more. However, nothing tops season 1 for me, and R an S are way up there too.

However, Stars doesn't feature the various recurring cast holdovers from the season 1 days (Naru- except for a debatable back of the head cameo-, Umino, Motoki, Yuuichirou, Rei's Grandpa, or Usagi's parents). SuperS didn't make particularly good use of them anyway in my opinion, but, it is sad to see them go since they were all pretty interesting in Season 1 and I think there was more potential there. Alas.

Also, Stars has an enormous case of skipping concepts from the manga, and several whole characters. So that's unfortunate too. I think it made good use of the ones it does bring in, though, and I quite like the Animamates in the Anime.
 

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While I do enjoy some things about SuperS, I do hold that it's my least favorite season. Stars is quite a bit better in my opinion, although it suffers some of the same flaws and your mileage may vary.

My biggest complaint is the long stretch of overly formulaic behavior (Zirconia yells at trio; Amazon trio member picks somebody in a photo; creeps on that person in a suggestive manner; gets rejected, un-disguises, does the 1-2-3 routine with the table and the questionable imagery with the head-shoving and the giggling; Usagi and Chibi-Usa, who for some reason already met the victim probably through contrivance, show up just in time; Trio member runs off, tells monster to kill the victim for no reason with no followup; wacky circus battle; long double-attack scene of twinkle yell pegasus flashy thing moon gorgeous medizzzzzzzz; hasty wrapup and never speak of it again).
You're so right, that's exactly my problem during this fourth season. Somehow I think that they renew a bit better this kind of linear pattern during the filler episodes of the Star season. The victims are most of the time random and don't play a big role in the episodes. Still, even if i really like the last episodes of Star, I feel the story rushed … A last movie about the Galaxy cauldron would have been so perfect to conclude the story at this time…

Well we can still hope about an adaptation of this last part in Crystal lol. A movie for the 50th Birthday in 2090ish lol. They will probably announce the director around 2047.
 
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I personally enjoyed Stars, now. Because I love how Starlights have more personality, and more emotions.
Queen Nelelenia had emotions, like us. And she wanted the friends. We can see villains are not just evil like previous 3 seasons. Villains can open their heart, again.
And Sailor Galaxia was the best in anime. She showed how we can lose the hope, and be gloomy and violent. However, after believing the hope and Usagi, she returns. This means, our life is not ended after sadness. We can start again. I learned this from last episode, and it was much better than manga. Manga was too gloomy and dark.
Honestly, Super S was so cool. Moon Gorgeous Meditation, Super Sailor senshi, Pegasus, forest, Nehelenia, dream, everything. But story is not so bad, but kinda less improved, I guess. However, using Amazon Trio as major villain, and Fish Eye's personality was developed.
I think Super S seems to be off with manga, since after R season, S season was quite creepy and serious season, and very hard morals for children. So the director wanted back the bright story like first season, and R.
And this is only my opinion, but R was quite bad for me. The story is so complicated. And Black Lady's purification was so irritating and sickening. Compare to manga. Black Lady purifies after losing her best friend, Pluto. However, in the anime, Black Lady just returned back because of her mom and dad. They kept urging her to be good. Is that really a parent's love?
 
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Just like the lack of a Pure Heart Crystal or lack of a Star Seed
I can't answer for the Star Seeds as I'm unfamiliar with the fifth season, but it's easy to say that a Pure Heart is what keeps good people alive. Asking people what they dream about at night is a bit different.
 

Mitsukara

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Asking people what they dream about at night is a bit different.
My guess was that the dream mirror is an important component of your soul's ability to desire/pursue any goals and therefore to make any decisions (because if you don't have any dreams to reach for, then it might be said you don't have any kind of motivation). That time one gets broken, the victim looks dead-eyed and falls over to the ground off of the table, as though she lost some vital component of her ability to think or act.

Also, in my earlier ramble I forgot to mention, Pegasus gets a partial pass because by the end I get the impression he wasn't an adult; he seems about 12? I don't know how much of the time since the Golden Kingdom he might've spent in some kind of stasis versus conscious thought, but it also seems plausible the dream world is a place where you don't age and mature like in the real world, so, I can believe he's pretty young, and thus terrible communication is slightly more forgivable. It's still frustrating, though.