The Inner Senshi should have known the Amazoness Quartet civilian identities longer

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zttmoon

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Is is just me or when the Sailor Inner Senshi learn the Amazoness Quartet identity in episode 161 and how dramatic suppose to be seem a little forced. They meet their civilain one episode earlier, so this betrayl doesn't really have that impact, if they meet them at the beginning of the Amazoness Quartet arc.

Say what you want about the Ali and An arc, but I thought they did that much better becasue our heroes know their civilain alto egos from the beginning of the arc, so it does have more impact.
 
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MariaTenebre

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What is interesting is that they spent all of this time with the civilian Quartet and yet we never found out what their civilian names were. I don't even think their names were asked.
 
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zttmoon

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What is interesting is that they spent all of this time with the civilian Quartet and yet we never found out what their civilian names were. I don't even think their names were asked.
In their debut episode, we see them in the background hanging in the arcade, could have done something there. There was one episode Jun Jun helped one of Chibiusa's classmates train for an sporting event. You could have had them be transfer into Chibausa's class like Ali and An were.

Form a longer friendship even if like in Ali and An's case, it was one sided, still would had make that dramtic reveal, feel like a great betrayl.
 

Mitsukara

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Yeah, I like SuperS (I like every season though), but it had a lot of pacing problems unfortunately. I think the Trio's arc would've worked a lot better if their realization of not being human, and their time limit, were set up further in advance (and maybe if they'd matured a bit more as characters before the last minute, instead of being horrible absolute jerks for almost 20 episodes and then suddenly growing a conscience). It's not a bad story at all, but it just doesn't use the time it had to build up and develop things in advance.

It does make quite a contrast, how the Makaiju arc was fantastically paced; it's my second favorite arc in the show. The manga provided a strong base for the anime to work from , but it the first three season's anime-only additions to the plot were absolutely wonderful in my opinion, and the Makaiju arc, invented wholecloth, is where they had the most free reign of all to work their magic. I love it!

The quartet still get some nice moments, and they're a lot of fun, but they only really had one episode of set-up before the betrayal, so it's a bit of a let-down. I'm also sad Sailor Stars didn't bring them back, that was one of the biggest missed opportunities in the anime I think. (That, and the Shitennou ghost stones helping Mamoru during the Black Moon arc, that would've been amazing. If only they'd had an arc about that instead of about the whole future-vision-breakup thing...)
 

zttmoon

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Yeah, I like SuperS (I like every season though), but it had a lot of pacing problems unfortunately. I think the Trio's arc would've worked a lot better if their realization of not being human, and their time limit, were set up further in advance (and maybe if they'd matured a bit more as characters before the last minute, instead of being horrible absolute jerks for almost 20 episodes and then suddenly growing a conscience). It's not a bad story at all, but it just doesn't use the time it had to build up and develop things in advance.
Well that is par for the course with Sailor Moon going all the way from Nephrite to Sailor Galaxia, the way the old anime redeem villains we show no redeeming qualaties till the last minute. I guess what is why I like the Sailor Moon R movie, they couldn't do that with Fliore.

The Quartet didn't even have to be Chibiusa's classmates, we could just bumped into their civilain form all the time by coisidence like we did Haruka and Michiru in S, because it is destiny they bump into each other. Of course that is if they are Chibiusa's guardian like they are suppose to be.
 
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Mitsukara

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Actually, I may be a bit biased but I think Nephrite does show redeeming qualities before the last minute:
  • In episode 15, Nephrite saves a park from getting demolished (that's just sort of a side effect of his plan though)
  • In episode 17, Nephrite saves one of his victims from falling off a cliff (it could be argued that this was just to complete his mission since he then takes the opportunity to put a youma in the boy's camera, but whatever, I'm still counting it)
  • In episode 19, although Nephrite doesn't do anything particularly good, he notices Naru's interest in him and it's built up as a plot point. He acts callous about it, but, well, who's he really trying to convince by talking to himself about it, anyway?
  • In episode 21, Nephrite inexplicably goes easy on Ami when she challenges him by herself, with no attacks besides bubble spray, by jumping on his car (!). He basically just swats at her once to get her to jump down, then gives her a friendly warning and drives off without even injuring her. (I bet if Zoisite had been in this situation, he'd have tried to run her over with the car!) Contrast this with the time Jadeite was all set to kill Sailor Moon when he blocked her tiara, and only left because Tuxedo Mask spooked him off. Nephrite doesn't seem to even consider taking advantage of this, and it's not just a writing oversight, because the next scene is Usagi and Luna telling Ami she's crazy for trying that, and that she's lucky she didn't get hurt.
  • In episode 23, after Naru defends Nephrite from the moon tiara, Zoisite's youma appears and goes to attack Naru. Nephrite jumps out and fights the youma, knowingly defecting and endangering himself right then and there.
  • And we all know how Episode 24 went. (Also, one of the minor highlights in that episode: he ditches a fight with Tuxedo Mask and Sailor Moon, when they're caught in his trap, to go rescue Naru, so.) I would also make the argument that his actions here are more selfless than those of the Trio (though Hawk's Eye did shield the other two) or even some of the Ayakashi Sisters, since he's willingly and repeatedly putting himself in danger for someone else's sake (but alas). I would say that by the end he was genuinely acting heroic. (Saphir tried this too, but Saphir kinda didn't get around to doing anything directly malicious to begin with, so he's an even more unusual case. I would argue that Saphir isn't quite a 'villain' in the anime, as he keeps trying to be a voice of reason and then strikes out on his own to try to set things right when that ultimately fails.)
Galaxia, though, is pretty consistently cruel, and is said to have destroyed entire worlds, and specifically 80% of the galaxy at one point (?!). Though, I do recall a scene in one episode where she seems to have some kind of transformation/personality whiplash towards her true self, where her hair is different and she's standing around in her throne room talking to herself worriedly, then snaps back to her ordinary self when Tin Nyanko shows up, so at least there was a hint that something was up. (To be fair, the Quartet have some hints too... and they're almost nice now and then, what with the volunteer work during the mirror-hunt where they got to know Usagi and friends, and they tend to be more lackadaisical than malicious most of the time. Contrast, say, Rubeus or Beryl, who are pretty much constantly mean). But yeah, we didn't really get a good sense for Galaxia's deal in some ways either.

But yeah, Fiore is also cool. And a definite case of not being in his right mind/full control of himself when he's possessed by the Xenian flower.

Although I think perhaps the best redemption arc in the '90s anime, with the most setup, consistency with the character's previous behavior while being a villain, and most satisfying conclusion, is probably Professor Tomoe. I guess he's a little callous to Kaolinite, but he wasn't exactly cruel (heck, he brought her back to life once apparently?); if anything, he goes way too easy on Mimete after what she does to Eudial, he doesn't even seem to notice. And that's all at his worst (when he spends most of the time laughing like a nut and like, talking about stair-stepping, and we saw very explicitly how he only got into any of this under very understandable duress. And he never loses sight of what he's doing this stuff for: to keep his daughter alive by whatever means he can. World's nicest evil boss and #1 dad! Even when he's possessed, he's kinda cute. (Hotaru's side of the arc is neat too.)

I like the idea of the Quartet hanging around school and coming up in Chibi-usa's class, that would've been a nice dynamic. Better use of time than all those scenes of Zirconia yelling at them for goofing around. I guess they did something sort of like that with the Starlights the next season, but, that's a whole different dynamic.
 
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I agree the Quartet could have been used more in civilian form. Honestly, I always felt they should have shown up earlier. It's odd really, in the manga they're the main circus enemies and the Trio are monsters of the day while in the anime the Trio are most of the season. It's a cool season but balance was needed.
 

zttmoon

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Well if I can break SuperS in terms of villains arc, the last handful episodes was when Neharana got Pegasus and we had the climax of going to the Black Moon Circus and defeating her.

Amazon Trio - 23 episodes

Amazoness Quartet - 10 episodes

The climax - 6 episodes

I don't think the people that make the anime were comfortable having children be the main villains for a extended period of time. Heck they changed the Chibiusa vampire story to clearing the young girl of wrong doing by having her be controled unlike in the manga. The Witches 5 were at worst high school age teenagers, every other villain were young adults or older.

Someone mention the Quartet coming back in Stars, you could have Chibiusa and Diana come back and have Diana give them their Sailor powers.