The New Dub - General Consensus

[ChampionOfNuggets]

And you sound like someone who is too discolored by the DiC dub not being a perfect translation of the Japanese version.

Saying that DIC didn't have a perfect translation is a huge understatement.

The DiC dub has a lot of episodes that stayed fairly accurate to the original script (the dreamland episode, Jedite's final episode, Nephylte's first and last episode, much of the doom tree arc off the top of my head. A lot of episodes that were way off. Episodes that kept the General idea of the episodes, just changed the dialog were the most common. The Lost Episodes, from memory were also faithful just filtered through valley girl speak.

The overall story and plot of the show is kept just heavily simplified and watered down.

 

[SailorWelshy]

Can't you not hear the music in the cloverway dub? Yeah I wished viz dub the songs. Dic and cloverway more or less didnt have Japanese I sett song singing that takes you out while your watching an english dub...

Pardon?

What audio problems are you even talking about

How many times have I said "it sounds like a fandub" ? Basically the episodes sound monotone like they can't afford professional equipment to record the ADR. It's pisspoor quality.

Sorry, but that's how I would describe Cloverway's dub.

The overall story and plot of the show is kept just heavily simplified and watered down.

Sounds like a poor dub to me. I don't care how it was performed, cutting episodes and scenes as well as ruining a finale, is pretty unforgivable.

 

[ChampionOfNuggets]

I have gone on record as saying the Cloverway dub was just as bad in that department.

 

[SailorWelshy]

I have gone on record as saying the Cloverway dub was just as bad in that department.

Considering you could hear noises in the background in the Cloverway dub, possibly from the studio crew, you can't in VIZ, I say the quality is no where near each other.

 

[The Blizzard Prince]

This probably couldn't be avoided though without either completely remastering the original recordings for the background music & sound effects or using dated technology for the new voice recordings. Either would have probably delayed the project for some time but it's so distracting for me that I likely won't buy this version of Sailor Moon (at least not until it's vastly reduced).

I had honestly never heard complaints about Viz's mixing abilities until Sailor Moon, so I guess this must be why. It's too bad they couldn't do one of those things, but personally I don't find it that awful. It's not perfect, but it's no where near Cloverway levels at least.

Thing is, I can't imagine who could get into Sailor Moon through this dub.

I can personally verify it has happened -- I have 2 different friends (one online, one close-by in real life) with no exposure to the series before who have finally got into Sailor Moon via it. They don't seem to be the only ones either based on some Youtube, Twitter, etc. comments I've seen.

No one is likely to grow up watching the Viz dub, so even if it gains its own following (which it likely will), no one will have nostalgia for it.

Actually I know quite a few Sailor Moon fans who said they'll introduce their kids to the series via the Viz dub once they get old enough.

 

[Risa_no_hime]

The new dub is very good, although things can always be better.
Personally I prefer to watch the original Japanese with subtitles.

 

[SailorWelshy]

This probably couldn't be avoided though without either completely remastering the original recordings for the background music & sound effects or using dated technology for the new voice recordings. Either would have probably delayed the project for some time but it's so distracting for me that I likely won't buy this version of Sailor Moon (at least not until it's vastly reduced).

I had honestly never heard complaints about Viz's mixing abilities until Sailor Moon, so I guess this must be why. It's too bad they couldn't do one of those things, but personally I don't find it that awful. It's not perfect, but it's no where near Cloverway levels at least.

Thing is, I can't imagine who could get into Sailor Moon through this dub.

I can personally verify it has happened -- I have 2 different friends (one online, one close-by in real life) with no exposure to the series before who have finally got into Sailor Moon via it. They don't seem to be the only ones either based on some Youtube, Twitter, etc. comments I've seen.

No one is likely to grow up watching the Viz dub, so even if it gains its own following (which it likely will), no one will have nostalgia for it.

Actually I know quite a few Sailor Moon fans who said they'll introduce their kids to the series via the Viz dub once they get old enough.

Saying that no one will watch the VIZ dub or grow up with it, is awfully pessimistic, with a sharp hint of denial.

 

[Memento]

Did I say no one would watch it? No. I said it's unlikely anyone will grow with it. The people who are going to watch the new dub are those watching it now, people in their teens or adulthood. Sure, fans today may show it to their future kids, but watching your parents' DVDs isn't the same thing as growing up with a show. Growing up with a show means watching it on TV, watching a show your friends/classmates are watching so you can talk about it, going to the store and being able to get new merchandise, etc. It's a whole experience and it's unlikely anyone would have that experience with the Viz dub. That's not pessimism; it's realism.

 

[SailorWelshy]

Growing up with a show means watching it on TV, watching a show your friends/classmates are watching so you can talk about it, going to the store and being able to get new merchandise, etc. It's a whole experience and it's unlikely anyone would have that experience with the Viz dub. That's not pessimism; it's realism.

.Don't you usually watch DVD's on TV?

.You can talk to your friends about the show, via many ways, including something called the Internet. (Kids use the internet a lot nowadays)

.You can buy merchandise via Internet and just owing something as a child is an experience enough.

Besides as a child I hardly watched new things on TV, I was more obsessed with videos at the time and I grew up with those shows, even if they hadn't been on TV for years. Many Doctor Who fans can testify for this.

 

[Movie-Brat]

Did I say no one would watch it? No. I said it's unlikely anyone will grow with it. The people who are going to watch the new dub are those watching it now, people in their teens or adulthood. Sure, fans today may show it to their future kids, but watching your parents' DVDs isn't the same thing as growing up with a show. Growing up with a show means watching it on TV, watching a show your friends/classmates are watching so you can talk about it, going to the store and being able to get new merchandise, etc. It's a whole experience and it's unlikely anyone would have that experience with the Viz dub. That's not pessimism; it's realism.

I know SailorWelshy already countered that but if I may add to his post, how is watching a DVD not the same thing as watching it on TV? It sounds like to me you may a bit bitter about the new dub and just wish for the Viz dub to fail.

 

[NJ_]

Here's a question, who even watches TV anymore?

Seems the majority prefers streaming nowadays and some buying on disc according to various reports.

 

[Memento]

Did I say no one would watch it? No. I said it's unlikely anyone will grow with it. The people who are going to watch the new dub are those watching it now, people in their teens or adulthood. Sure, fans today may show it to their future kids, but watching your parents' DVDs isn't the same thing as growing up with a show. Growing up with a show means watching it on TV, watching a show your friends/classmates are watching so you can talk about it, going to the store and being able to get new merchandise, etc. It's a whole experience and it's unlikely anyone would have that experience with the Viz dub. That's not pessimism; it's realism.

I know SailorWelshy already countered that but if I may add to his post, how is watching a DVD not the same thing as watching it on TV? It sounds like to me you may a bit bitter about the new dub and just wish for the Viz dub to fail.

Because when you're watching a show on TV, you're watching new episodes as they air in real time. There's an excitement there that doesn't exist in quite the same way with watching a show on DVD.

And lol, why would I be bitter about the new dub? I think it's terrible, but I have no reason to be bitter about it? It doesn't affect me, and I'm happy for the people who are enjoying it, soooooo go back to making random Breaking Bad references no one cares about.

 

[Movie-Brat]

There's that too. And really, even if people watch TV; they use DVR to record their shows.

Because when you're watching a show on TV, you're watching new episodes as they air in real time. There's an excitement there that doesn't exist in quite the same way with watching a show on DVD.

And lol, why would I be bitter about the new dub? I think it's terrible, but I have no reason to be bitter about it? It doesn't affect me, and I'm happy for the people who are enjoying it, soooooo go back to making random Breaking Bad references no one cares about.

But even then, new fans now have the advantage that older fans didn't have. SailorWelshy brings up an excellent point about the Doctor Who videos, fans at the UK had to trade tapes but now, the BBC can sell DVDs of the classic series and even put them on Netflix streaming for American fans to see. Oh, and I loved watching my tapes as a kid as much as watching TV so your example still fails.

And as for that second part, sure you are.

 

[Memento]

I've said repeatedly that I'm happy for the people who enjoy the Viz dub, so please, since you clearly know my thoughts and feelings better than I do, what reasons do I have for being bitter about the redub? I'll wait.

 

[Movie-Brat]

Because if you are happy for people who enjoy the new dub, why doubt even kids will get into it?

 

[Memento]

Please reread all of my posts in this thread. Where did I ever say kids wouldn't get into the redub? That's right - nowhere. I said that it was unlikely kids would have nostalgia for the redub in the way people who grow up with the original dub have nostalgia for it. But not having nostalgia for something =/= not liking it. There are plenty of things I like or even love that I don't have nostalgia for. Movies, TV shows I watch, songs I hear, books I read, etc, that I enjoy but when I enjoy them, it doesn't take me back to my childhood, even if that's when I first encountered them. That's what nostalgia is: it's something that takes you back to your childhood (or another time in your life). I'm sure kids will see the Viz dub, and I'm sure kids will love it, but I'm not sure they'll associate it with their childhood because they'll be consuming it in a very different way. Of course, it's true that nowadays kids are probably consuming all media in a very different way, so I could be wrong. But from my point of view, I don't see the same kind of nostalgic attachments developing towards the Viz dub as developed for the DiC/CWi dub.

 

[Movie-Brat]

You just admitted your example doesn't work because now with today's media, they have easy access to the new dub. Nostalgia always comes in different forms. You're too used to the way you've done things back in your childhood. It's very likely today's kids will have fondness for the Viz dub...and still get countless debates which dub is better but I digress.

 

[PurpleWarrior13]

Actually with the way streaming is becoming, the new dub will almost certainly be fully available through that eventually, and kids will be able to watch and discover it like any other cartoon.

However, home video can be a powerful thing though. One of my favorite shows when I was younger was Rocky & Bullwinkle. However, I don't think I once watched it on broadcast TV. I had the season boxsets, and that's how I watched the show. It was nice because I could watch whatever episode whenever I wanted, and I could pause, rewind, fast forward, etc, and there were no commercials. I also collected The Simpsons and Dragon Ball Z on DVD from a very young age, among some others.

And you never know, it might be on TV. If not on Toonami, I could maybe see it getting on Nicktoons or something. It probably won't be as prominent as the original broadcast, but who says it won't happen? I could definitely see Sailor Moon Crystal getting on TV at some point.

 

[Movie-Brat]

Actually with the way streaming is becoming, the new dub will almost certainly be fully available through that eventually, and kids will be able to watch and discover it like any other cartoon.

However, home video can be a powerful thing though. One of my favorite shows when I was younger was Rocky & Bullwinkle. However, I don't think I once watched it on broadcast TV. I had the season boxsets, and that's how I watched the show. It was nice because I could watch whatever episode whenever I wanted, and I could pause, rewind, fast forward, etc, and there were no commercials. I also collected The Simpsons and Dragon Ball Z on DVD from a very young age, among some others.

And you never know, it might be on TV. If not on Toonami, I could maybe see it getting on Nicktoons or something. It probably won't be as prominent as the original broadcast, but who says it won't happen? I could definitely see Sailor Moon Crystal getting on TV at some point.

If only there was a like button.

 

[Memento]

Again, I never said it was IMPOSSIBLE; I just said it was UNLIKELY as the show is unlikely to be aired on TV and, as Viz has only put up dubbed episodes temporarily on Hulu, it remains to be seen if it as some point they will put (and keep) the complete dub up online for streaming.

In ten-fifteen years from now, we'll see how many kids have nostalgia for the Viz dub.