Unsolved Mysteries of the Optimum Dub

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MementoNepenthe

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It's no secret that the original English dub took its fair share of creative liberties when adapting the series back in the day, but in the course of its liberal adaptation, certain plot points were introduced without ever being properly addressed or resolved. I thought it might be interesting to create a thread where we could discuss those "unsolved mysteries" and speculate on what the (in-universe) answers to them might be. I'll start with a few I've been pondering over lately:

1. Who is/was the "Oracle"?

In the first episode, Queen Beryl mentions an "Oracle," telling her subjects: "The Oracle says it's time to attack the other dimension, to unleash the power of the Nega Force!" This "Oracle" is never mentioned again, leaving us to wonder who (or what?) he/she/it was.

Real World Explanations: Most likely, the Oracle is just Queen Metallia (or the Nega Force, as she's known in the dub). "The Oracle" was probably their original name for her, but for whatever reason, somewhere down the line they decided to go with "The Nega Force" instead. If so, that's a shame, since "The Oracle" sounds far cooler than "The Nega Force." Of course, this cannot be the in-universe explanation as the Nega Force is mentioned as a clearly separate entity in the quoted line.

Another possible explanation is that the "Oracle" is a holdover character from the Toon Maker version of Sailor Moon. We already know that DIC borrowed other ideas from that unrealized series (Darien's name, he and Serena's being engaged in the days of the Moon Kingdom, the other Scouts being princesses of their respective planets), so perhaps the "Oracle" came from Toon Maker as well. Perhaps the "Oracle" was Ursus, Beryl's minion who's mentioned in the voice over script, or maybe he/she/it was another character entirely.

In-Universe Explanations/Theories:
1. The Oracle is just another monster/alien from the Negaverse. (The aforementioned Ursus, perhaps? Or maybe even Barbar from the ~La Reconquista~ musical?) Whether or not the Scouts ever defeated them, of course, is another matter entirely...
2. The Oracle is Wiseman. Given how all the enemies the Scouts encounter come from the Negaverse (at least in the DIC-run episodes), it seems perfectly plausible that Wiseman would have been around to advise Beryl behind the scenes. (Hey, if Ann and Alan could talk to Beryl, why not Wiseman?) "The Oracle" would certainly be a fitting alias for him to use.
3. ????

2. Why Did Amy Leave Brighton Academy?

When we first see Amy in "Computer School Blues," one of Serena's and Molly's friends informs them the new girl is a transfer student from Brighton Academy, which Serena and Molly immediately recognize as being "The Brain Farm." They quickly begin speculating that she got kicked out or flunked out of the school. Later, when Amy and Serena start talking to each other, Amy says, "I also heard you guys think I'm a 'Brain Farm' reject," and that's the last we hear about the matter. Brighton Academy is never mentioned again, and we never learn why Amy transferred schools.

Real World Explanations: Most likely DIC conceived of the transfer student backstory for Amy to explain why we'd never seen or heard of her before. (After all, it is a little strange that it took Luna so long in the original to notice there was another Sailor Soldier at Usagi's school.) In concept, making Amy a transfer student is a good solution to that plot problem, but in execution, it was handled poorly. It's hard to say whether or not anyone at DIC knew themselves why Amy had switched schools; it was clearly a huge oversight on their part to leave that question unanswered.
It's also possible that this change, too, originated in the Toon Maker version of the series, in which case there probably is an "official" explanation for the transfer, and DIC just failed to include it in the episode.

In-Universe Explanations/Theories:
1. Amy actually did flunk out of the school. Perhaps it was too competitive and the pressure got to her and she cracked. This would explain why she doesn't deny the rumor, and why she doesn't press the issue (wanting to spare herself the embarrassment of admitting her failure).
2. Amy got kicked out. Maybe she was thrown out for getting into a fight, as was rumored to be the case with Lita. Maybe, similar to my above theory, Amy started to crack under the pressures of the school and resorted to cheating on a test or assignment, only to get caught and thrown out, possibly blacklisted from other similar schools. That would explain why the brainy, college-bound daughter of a doctor would transfer from an elite, private school to a regular public school in the middle of the year.
3. Amy was following her destiny. In Act 5 of the manga, Makoto explains to the other girls that the real reason she transferred schools was she felt something calling to her on the wind, some force beckoning her to Tokyo. Perhaps Amy likewise felt some sort of pull of destiny to attend Crossroads Junior High and somehow managed to convince her parent(s) to approve the switch.
4. It was a matter of money or moving. Another unresolved issue from the original dub is that of Amy's changing last name. In season one, Amy answers the phone in one episode by saying "Anderson residence," implying her last name is "Anderson," but in season three, she gives her last name as "Mizuno." Could it be that between seasons one and three was when her parents were going through their divorce? Perhaps after her parents separated, Amy and her mother moved and Brighton Academy was no longer conveniently located for them. (It's not clear where the school is supposed to be located.) Or maybe, what with all the legal fees and everything, Amy's mother simply couldn't afford to continue sending her daughter to private school. (There really aren't any indications that her mother is rich in the anime, at least not in the dub from what I can recall.)
5. ????

Was Wiseman Really the Doom Phantom?

If I'm not mistaken, the first mention of Death Phantom occurs in episode 86 of the original Japanese series:

Wiseman:​
O nothingness. O silence. Obey me. Swear your allegiance to the all-knowing, almighty Death Phantom. Know that the one who will rule this universe is not Demand, who dreams an ephemeral dream, but Death Phantom, who possesses absolute power. Ah, foolish Prince Demand. Create a disturbance for the sake of silence. And present chaotic nothingness to Death Phantom, the supreme ruler of this world. Eradicate impure things such as life from this universe.​

Later in the same episode:

Wiseman: The one giving you orders is Death Phantom, the ruler of the entire universe. Defying the will of Death Phantom means death!​
Saphir: You were talking about that before, too. What in the world is Death Phantom?!​
Wiseman: The absolute god, who will return this universe to beautiful silence and transparent nothingness. Who will eradicate all impure life forms such as you.​
Saphir: What in the world are you?​
Wiseman: Now is not yet the time to speak of that.​

There's some room for ambiguity here due to Wiseman's essentially speaking in the third person, but from that initial "obey me," it's pretty clear that he's talking about himself, that he's Death Phantom (which, of course, we know to be the case).

But let's look at how these same scenes play out in the DIC dub version of this episode:

Wiseman:​
Nothingness. Silence. The void. That's what the Doom Phantom thrives on. He is the ultimate arbiter of life and death in the universe. He is the one to whom I pledge my whole heart allegiance. Not that pathetic Prince Diamond, with all his illusions of power and conquest. What a ridiculous fellow. Bring on the darkness, the silence, the chaos my master has commanded. No more petty human squabblings. All will be silenced in the name of the Doom Phantom.​
Wiseman: You're very mistaken. My master, the Doom Phantom, is running the show. The big show. Universe and all. Too bad you won't have a chance to meet him.​
Sapphire: This "Doom Phantom" creature. I'm sure my brother would enjoy meeting him.​
Wiseman: The Doom Phantom is the ultimate power in the universe and he has opted to return it to a complete state of nothingness. He administers cleansings of all life matter at his own discretion.​
Sapphire: Huh? These "cleansings"...​
Wiseman: They're extremely effective, Sapphire. Let me demonstrate for you.​

It definitely sounds like Wiseman is talking about a separate entity here, which throws his claim of being the Doom Phantom in "Final Battle" into question.

Real World Explanation: This could just be an issue of basing a script on an inaccurate translation and then not going back to correct it. Or, maybe it was intentional...

In-Universe Explanations/Theories:
1. Wiseman is insane. Over the course of the season, Wiseman's voice gradually changes. He starts off sounding somewhat generically cold and sinister, but still relatively normal and human, in "Serena Times Two," but every few episodes his voice changes, becoming more and more distorted and menacing sounding as the season progresses. This may just be the result of the dub's production staff experimenting with different filters, but maybe it was something they planned out. Maybe Wiseman's increasingly distorted voice is meant to signify his descending deeper and deeper into madness, and becoming more and more inhuman. Maybe the Doom Phantom is some figure from Negaverse legend that Wiseman has become obsessed with, culminating in his believing that he himself is the Doom Phantom. (See The Cabinet of Doctor Caligari.) Maybe the Doom Phantom is just a figment of Wiseman's imagination, or perhaps Wiseman is suffering from a split personality. I think this theory holds water, but it does raise the question of whether or not there exists a real Doom Phantom, and if so, will the Scouts ever encounter him?
2. Wiseman and his master became unified. Perhaps Wiseman wasn't (completely) insane: there really was a Doom Phantom, and Wiseman really did serve him. But off-screen at some point prior to the eponymous Final Battle, Doom Phantom possessed or fused with Wiseman, similar to how Metallia fused with Beryl to form Super-Beryl in the season one finale. This theory would at least take care of any nagging questions as to whether or not the real Doom Phantom is out there.
3. ????


So...yeah. What do you guys think of my theories? Do you agree with them? Have some of your own? Or maybe you have other unsolved mysteries you'd like to discuss. I'd just really like to start a new discussion of the original dub that isn't just about the music or cast or comparing it to the Viz dub, but that engages with it a bit more seriously. :wink:
 
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The Oracle was probably just something DiC/Optimum thought sounded cool to be honest. I think they always intended the Negaforce to be the equivalent of Metaria/The Great Ruler.

I do like your idea of the oracle being Wiseman.


I imagine the transfer from Brighton Academy thing was, as you suggested, Optimum explaining why we only now have heard about this girl that goes to Serena’s school. For the in-universe reason for the transfer perhaps Dr.Anderson (Mizuno?) moved them due to her job and the commute from their new address was unreasonable or maybe Amy’s mother wanted her daughter to have a more normal life instead of attending an elitist school? With Amy’s mom being established as a doctor by at least the Rini arc I assume it’s given she’s at least from a reasonably financially comfortable backgeound.

As for the Anderson/Mizuno thing chalk it up to another Optimim inconsistency. Amy only referred to her surname as Anderson in one episode that was dubbed 5 years before she said her family name was Mizuno in S. The writer for Science of Love might have forgotten about that and just went with the Japanese script.

For an in-universe explanation; she only answered the phone “Anderson residence” in Tuxedo Unmasked. She said her last name was Mizuno in Science of Love.

If we want to reconcile this it is possible she was just babysitting. Or if her parents are divorced she might still use her father’s surname of Mizuno (as most kids do even after their parents divorce and even if they mostly live with their mom) but her mom went back to her maiden name Anderson (or never changed it for professional reasons) and Amy just answered it “Anderson residence” because she lives with her mom.


Wiseman referring to The Doom Phantom as his master was possibly a dub error. Or maybe he was just withholding that he was The Doom Phantom by pretending to be his emissary.
 

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Wiseman was talking to himself in that first scene though, so there'd be no reason for him to withhold that information.

Another theory for Amy switching schools: Maybe the other kids at Brighton were horrible snobs who bullied her into leaving? (But then she'd probably have had a stronger reaction to everyone gossiping about her at Crossroads.)
 
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Wiseman was talking to himself in that first scene though, so there'd be no reason for him to withhold that information.
So dub error then. The final 17 episodes of R had quite a few iirc due to being rushed.

Another theory for Amy switching schools: Maybe the other kids at Brighton were horrible snobs who bullied her into leaving? (But then she'd probably have had a stronger reaction to everyone gossiping about her at Crossroads.)
It would make it all the more sad for Amy if she transferred due to bullying only to continued to get mocked at another school
 

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Great thread MementoNepenthe. I especially like your statements on the Oracle as I wondered who this person was as well. They could have easily been a character from Toonmakers referenced in this brief scene. The Oracle is clearly not the Queen Metalia/The Negaforce as the Negaforce is referenced in this line and told to be unleashed by Beryl. I don't think it is Wiseman either as he was always called Wiseman and not the Oracle. I know in my personal fanfiction even though I based it on the 90s anime I liked the idea of this Oracle so I decided to adapt them to my stories and I basically had that she was Past Wiseman from the Sailor Moon PC Engine who I renamed Oracle Bloody Opal who features as the main villain in my adaptation of the PC Engine game which I made into a full season in between the Makai Tree arc and the Black Moon Clan arc that I based on both the PC Engine game and Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon that I called Sailor Moon Ex R.

As for the Wiseman and Death Phantom thing that was probably just a mistake the 90s dub made however it wasn't the only dub to make this mistake I believe the Italian dub did as well.
 

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Sure, most of these things can just be explained as "the dub goofed," but that doesn't make for fun conversation! :wink:

Past Wiseman from the PC Engine game is another good candidate for the Oracle character, Maria. :thumbsup:
 

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I think your Ami theories were interesting to read. It would have been interesting to see the other senshi's backgrounds explored in the 90's series more. Like Other than Minako who is the prototype for Usagi. Usagi is the only member of the inner team who has a regular nuclear family.
 
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So I have some of my own Optimum dub inspired unsolved mysteries

1. What happened to the Negaforce?
-Unlike Metaria, the Negaforce didn’t fuse with Beryl and thus wasn’t destroyed. The narrator even said it was responsible for sending Alan and Ann to the Crossroads district and after the show came back to finish the final 17 episodes all references to the Negaverse and Negaforce ceased. I would like to think if the dub continued the idea of the Negaverse connecting all the villains to the Negaverse they could have replaced Pharoh 90 with the Negaforce and Queen Nehelenia could be Beryl’s sister.

2. What is Lita’s home life like?
Her parents, at least her mom, isn’t dead like in the Japanese version. And iirc she suggested she had siblings in the SuperS movie something like “As soon as we finished all our chores..” I also wonder if both of Raye’s parents are dead. Her babying her grandpa and treating him like a child reminding him to wear his glasses may be because he’s the only family member she has left


3. Aside from the obvious rush job what brought on the Sailor Soldiers moniker?
- I mean Tuxedo Mask is the first person to ever call them Sailor Soldiers in the English dub. Maybe he forgot because his memory is crap and the girls just ran with it?
 

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Yeah, they really missed a perfect opportunity to resolve the overarching Negaverse narrative in S by making the Tau Star System be the Negaverse, Pharaoh 90 be the Negaforce, and having Saturn (and Super Sailor Moon) seal the Negaverse off for good. Oh well.

As for an in-universe explanation... I guess the Negaforce is just still out there, responsible for evil, just like Chaos is. As for why they stopped mentioning the Negaverse, maybe they realized their new enemies weren't coming directly from the Negaverse after all, and it became an "out of sight, out of mind" type of deal.

I know it'll never happen, but next year is the 25th (Silver) Anniversary of the old dub, and I'd love it if they'd do some sort of anniversary special project - a movie, an audio drama, a book, a graphic novel, anything - that would resolve all these lingering plot threads. It could revolve around the girls as young adults, graduating from college, having to face off against the powers of the Negaverse one last time. Morga could make her long-awaited return, along with Beryl (who was just "blasted back to the Negaverse" and not explicitly killed), the real Doom Phantom, the Negaforce, and the Oracle. It would be so epic. But between Toei/PNP and Viz, I'm sure even if there were a studio or publishing house interested, clearing the rights to do such a project would be a huge hassle. Still, I can dream!
 

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So I have some of my own Optimum dub inspired unsolved mysteries

1. What happened to the Negaforce?
-Unlike Metaria, the Negaforce didn’t fuse with Beryl and thus wasn’t destroyed. The narrator even said it was responsible for sending Alan and Ann to the Crossroads district and after the show came back to finish the final 17 episodes all references to the Negaverse and Negaforce ceased. I would like to think if the dub continued the idea of the Negaverse connecting all the villains to the Negaverse they could have replaced Pharoh 90 with the Negaforce and Queen Nehelenia could be Beryl’s sister.

2. What is Lita’s home life like?
Her parents, at least her mom, isn’t dead like in the Japanese version. And iirc she suggested she had siblings in the SuperS movie something like “As soon as we finished all our chores..” I also wonder if both of Raye’s parents are dead. Her babying her grandpa and treating him like a child reminding him to wear his glasses may be because he’s the only family member she has left


3. Aside from the obvious rush job what brought on the Sailor Soldiers moniker?
- I mean Tuxedo Mask is the first person to ever call them Sailor Soldiers in the English dub. Maybe he forgot because his memory is crap and the girls just ran with it?
Well I will say this I never thought even in the original Japanese version that Queen Metalia merged with Beryl. For one Queen Metalia basically said that she was going to give Beryl power and that it would be Beryl's responsibility to wreck havoc and destruction. Also Super Beryl is still very much Beryl it is still Beryl in control, Beryl's voice and personality etc. Where as if Metalia merged with her she would have most likely taken over her and it would have been Queen Metalia talking to say Sailor Moon/Princess Serenity. Take for example Sailor Stars. After Sailor Galaxia's golden bracelets were broken Chaos completely took her over and her voice was changed showing that Chaos took her over and this form was even called Chaos Galaxia. Likewise in PGSM when Queen Metalia actually did merge and take over Prince Endymion this form was called Metalia Endymion and it was very much Queen Metalia in control. However once Beryl is empowered by Queen Metalia she is not called say Metalia Beryl. She is called Super Beryl and is still very much Queen Beryl so I do not think that Queen Metalia merged with Queen Beryl. I think that Queen Metalia basically gave Beryl power and then left. Hell since in the PC Engine Past Wiseman was associated with the Dark Kingdom maybe Past Wiseman cautioned her against betting her horses on Beryl.

Yeah, they really missed a perfect opportunity to resolve the overarching Negaverse narrative in S by making the Tau Star System be the Negaverse, Pharaoh 90 be the Negaforce, and having Saturn (and Super Sailor Moon) seal the Negaverse off for good. Oh well.

As for an in-universe explanation... I guess the Negaforce is just still out there, responsible for evil, just like Chaos is. As for why they stopped mentioning the Negaverse, maybe they realized their new enemies weren't coming directly from the Negaverse after all, and it became an "out of sight, out of mind" type of deal.

I know it'll never happen, but next year is the 25th (Silver) Anniversary of the old dub, and I'd love it if they'd do some sort of anniversary special project - a movie, an audio drama, a book, a graphic novel, anything - that would resolve all these lingering plot threads. It could revolve around the girls as young adults, graduating from college, having to face off against the powers of the Negaverse one last time. Morga could make her long-awaited return, along with Beryl (who was just "blasted back to the Negaverse" and not explicitly killed), the real Doom Phantom, the Negaforce, and the Oracle. It would be so epic. But between Toei/PNP and Viz, I'm sure even if there were a studio or publishing house interested, clearing the rights to do such a project would be a huge hassle. Still, I can dream!
Well I will say for Beryl that Artemis did say in Sailor Moon R that Beryl was completely destroyed so I suppose the whole blasted back to the Negaverse line was more metaphoric.

However I do agree that I think the Negaverse would be a great term for the universe that the Tau Galaxy was from. After all that alternate dimension never was given a name. In my fanfic I call that alternate dimension the Negaverse but since I base my fanfiction on the 90s anime. Only the Death Busters have their origins in the Tau Galaxy of the Negaverse unless I make some other villain group from there.

Also in my fanfiction Sailor Moon reflect I feature the return of the Death Busters. Like for instance I had that Kaolinite didn't die from the blast Mistress 9 hit her with but simply faked her death because she knew that Mistress 9 was crazy and wanted to fulfill her obligations to her home Galaxy and to it's ruler who was working with Pharaoh 90s and Mistress 9 who I have yet to name. She brings back the Witches 5 some she just summoned like Eudial and Mimete who I had to not have died but the others she resurrects like in that manga scene of her doing that spell by crushing that multi winged bat and in this gives each Witch a piece of the Taioron Crystal that I introduced here in order to amplify their powers. I also have in the end that they turn good and become Senshi I was going to make Kaolinite into Sailor Lambda, Eudial into Sailor Beta, Mimete into Sailor Theta, Tellu into Sailor Zeta, Viluy into Sailor Epsilon and Cyprine and Ptilol into Sailor Mu and Sailor Nu. I was also going to have them be connected to Sailor Phi and Sailor Chi who I was going to have to also be from the Tau Galaxy.
 
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It would have been interesting to see the other senshi's backgrounds explored in the 90's series more.
I agree! I don't think Rei's estranged politician father was ever mentioned in the original 90's TV anime.
 

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I agree! I don't think Rei's estranged politician father was ever mentioned in the original 90's TV anime.
While I am sure that her estranged politician father and even the Casablanco Memories stuff with Kaidou could easily fit in the 90s anime how it effected Rei in the 90s would be different. Unlike in the manga, Crystal and PGSM if we were to accept that the stuff with her father and the Casablanca Memories stuff could be adapted to the 90s anime (and Naoko herself wanted it to be) then in that version her experiences with her father and Kaidou wouldn't have made her hate all men and desire to be alone without a man like in the manga rather I think she would more rationally just hate her father as opposed to hating all men for the actions of her father and Kaidou.
 
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I really think the Oracle was just mistranslation of "great ruler" a.k.a Metallia. Or they decided it is a cool way to refer to the supreme leader, as Beryl herself with her crystal ball looked very medium inspired.
 
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I remember seeing someone theorize that Amy could have said "Anderson residence" because she was babysitting for a family with that last name.
Wasn't that name used in the American novels as well? Or merchandize. I think all of them had English surnames during the first two seasons and switched for S and Supers among other changes.
 

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If you look at the dub-related merchandise from that time (the trading cards, stuff like that), Amy's last name is given as Anderson, so she's definitely not just babysitting for an Anderson family, and the other girls have their regular surnames. (Raye's name is given as "Raye Hino" in the episode "Raye's Day in the Spotlight" as well, fyi.)

While I am sure that her estranged politician father and even the Casablanco Memories stuff with Kaidou could easily fit in the 90s anime how it effected Rei in the 90s would be different. Unlike in the manga, Crystal and PGSM if we were to accept that the stuff with her father and the Casablanca Memories stuff could be adapted to the 90s anime (and Naoko herself wanted it to be) then in that version her experiences with her father and Kaidou wouldn't have made her hate all men and desire to be alone without a man like in the manga rather I think she would more rationally just hate her father as opposed to hating all men for the actions of her father and Kaidou.
A 90s anime adaptation of Casablanca Memories probably would have been used to explain Raye's/Rei's reluctance to start a serious relationship with Chad/Yuuchirou, as she either wouldn't want to end up hurt or because she'd be shown to still have some lingering feelings for Kaidou.

2. What is Lita’s home life like?
Her parents, at least her mom, aren’t dead like in the Japanese version. And iirc she suggested she had siblings in the SuperS movie something like “As soon as we finished all our chores..” I also wonder if both of Raye’s parents are dead. Her babying her grandpa and treating him like a child reminding him to wear his glasses may be because he’s the only family member she has left
Raye mentions having an uncle who owns a recording studio in the last episode of S, so she has at least one other family member besides her grandpa. I could see her being an orphan though, which would kind of make more sense to me. (I mean, it's not exactly great PR for a politician for his minor daughter to not be living with him.) As for Lita... Like you said, her mom is at least alive (which was such a stupid throwaway line for them to put in, but we can't do anything about it now) and there is a suggestion she has at least one sibling. Since we never see them or hear about them outside of the SuperS movie, we can probably assume that they're older than Lita and are living on their own somewhere outside of Tokyo. And since we (obviously) never see Lita's mom and she does appear to live on her own, maybe something happened to cause some kind of estrangement between the two during the first part of the series, then at some point by that episode of S they've reconnected and are trying to live together again, but then perhaps it didn't work out? Honestly, that's so much sadder than just having her parents both be dead.

3. Aside from the obvious rush job what brought on the Sailor Soldiers moniker?
- I mean Tuxedo Mask is the first person to ever call them Sailor Soldiers in the English dub. Maybe he forgot because his memory is crap and the girls just ran with it?
From the very beginning of the series, the girls had been described as warriors and maybe(?) even soldiers, just never as "Sailor Warriors" or "Sailor Soldiers," so it wasn't entirely unprecedented. The first time Tuxedo Mask called them "Sailor Soldiers" was in "Promises Fulfilled" I believe, while telling them they all needed to be prepared to fight a major battle. I think it just represents a turning point in the story; things are getting more serious, and they're all getting more mature. Maybe he felt in that moment that they'd outgrown the term "Sailor Scouts" and decided to use a more serious, adult-sounding name for them? Or maybe it was to indicate a shift in their mission? By definition a scout is someone who gathers information or acts as a watchman or guardian, and that was their initial purpose in the series: they had to gather information to find the princess and the Silver Crystal, and then to watch over them, but when Tuxedo Mask addresses them in "Promises Fulfilled," he's basically giving them a new mission: to prepare for battle against the enemy. Thus, they are no longer acting principally as scouts; they're heading into "Sailor Soldier" mode, so to speak.
 
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Speaking of, in show did Mina and Lita have their last names stated?

I know all the Outers had the last names stated in the S dub. We got confirmation that Serena was still Tsukino in SuperS. Amy was Anderson in Tuxedo Unmasked and then Mizuno in Science of Love. Raye got to keep her last name of Hino in Raye’s Day in the Spotlight but I don’t recall them ever saying Mina and Lita’s last names.

Or Darien for that matter. Who got the last name “Shields” from the Mixx manga and novelizations

I like to think if they didn’t keep their last names of Kino and Aino their names became Lita Woods and Mina Lovegood
 
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Darien, Mina and Lita weren’t given surnames in the dub. Everyone else kept their original ones.
 

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The Sailor Moon Role Playing Game and Resource Book, which certainly follows the continuity of the dub, even using direct quotes from it, gives Serena's name as "Serena Tsukino" and Darien's as "Darien Shields," but does not provide last names for Lita or Mina. (I could swear Lita introduced herself as Lita Kino in an episode of S or SuperS, but I'm probably mistaken.)
 
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