Villain motivations

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CobraMorph

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Jan 12, 2004
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#1
I read how the 4 kings in the dark Kingdom were kings of different parts of earth, & was just thinking, how did they turn evil? Why was Beryl evil? Now, i havent seen SM since the last time it aired on toonami in the US, & that S & SS, so anything pre-S would be even longer. & maybe the dub didnt include it. Also, why did Beryl want Tux Mask? I think it might have been part of how she turned evil, but just dont know.

Also, was there any motivation for the witches 5 & Kairi from S being evil?

Other than that, i believe they explained the other villians reasons for being evil.

Any info would be apriciated. Mainly the anime cause i doubt i'll ever read the manga, but both if possible.
 
#2
Let's see what I remember....
The Shitennou were turned evil by Beryl, I think because they were displeased with... something Endymion did... have to check. (Probably him sneaking off to the Moon too often. But that would be a ridiculous reason. Hm...)
Beryl was influenced by Metallia (or Metaria as some people here prefer) and started a revolution on Earth, mainly because she was jealous of Serenity, she was in love with Endymion too. That's also the reason why she turned him evil in the present.
 

spirithime

Lapis Lunaris
Dec 12, 2003
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#3
That entire backstory is, as far as I know, only found in the manga. It's never really explained how the Shitennou of the anime came to be in the Dark Kingdom, though the fact that some of them have such strangely colored blood suggests that they aren't even human (or that they were changed from humans a long time ago). It could be that they share the same history as the manga Shitennou, though I sort of doubt it, or that they are actually creatures of the Dark Kingdom, like glorified youma.

Now, as for the story itself, the Shitennou were originally guardians of Prince Endymion, but were somehow turned evil by Beryl. It's debatable whether they joined her of their own will or if they were somehow forced or brainwashed. I like to think that it was a mix of both. Kunzite makes suggestions in the manga that he, at least, chose to join the Dark Kingdom, but he also gets brainwashed a few times, so it could really go either way.

As for how Beryl turned evil, there isn't a straightforward answer. Basically, she was in love with Endymion, but when she saw him with Serenity, her love turned to jealousy. Metallia likely used her feelings of jealousy to manipulate her, and make her into Metallia's servant.
 

genkib

Lapis Lunaris
Mar 3, 2004
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#4
spirithime said:
That entire backstory is, as far as I know, only found in the manga. It's never really explained how the Shitennou of the anime came to be in the Dark Kingdom, though the fact that some of them have such strangely colored blood suggests that they aren't even human (or that they were changed from humans a long time ago). It could be that they share the same history as the manga Shitennou, though I sort of doubt it, or that they are actually creatures of the Dark Kingdom, like glorified youma.

Now, as for the story itself, the Shitennou were originally guardians of Prince Endymion, but were somehow turned evil by Beryl. It's debatable whether they joined her of their own will or if they were somehow forced or brainwashed. I like to think that it was a mix of both. Kunzite makes suggestions in the manga that he, at least, chose to join the Dark Kingdom, but he also gets brainwashed a few times, so it could really go either way.

As for how Beryl turned evil, there isn't a straightforward answer. Basically, she was in love with Endymion, but when she saw him with Serenity, her love turned to jealousy. Metallia likely used her feelings of jealousy to manipulate her, and make her into Metallia's servant.
Yeah, in the anime I don't think they explained how the Shitennou joined the Dark Kingdom at all. I'm not sure about Beryl as I missed the episodes about their past life on the Moon.

In the manga it was much clearer as Spirithime has put forward. But my personal opinion on Beryl was that she chose to follow Metallia by her own free will when she met Metallia. I think she was hoping to gain enough power from Metallia to overthrow the Moon Kingdom so Serenity will be no more.

About Witches 5 & Kaolinite...Kaolinite was Prof Tomoe's assistant (& possibly mistress as Hotaru has implicated) Kaori but she was struck by lightning during an experiment and possessed by the evil alien being Kaolinite from Tau Ceti. Through Kaolinite, Prof Tomoe got to connect with Pharaoh 90 and began experimenting with "utilization". The finished products were the Witches 5 who were real human but possessed by aliens from Tau Ceti (possibly the aliens are called Eudial, Mimete etc). Their human souls most likely ended up as food for these aliens.
 
#5
Incidentally, the Bishōjo Senshi Sērā Mūn R: Authoritative Edition states that the Shitennō were the underlings of Prince Endymion.

SailorSirius said:
Beryl was influenced by Metallia (or Metaria as some people here prefer)
"METARIA" actually appears in the new version of the manga, and nobody has found anything objectively wrong with it, so it is the best spelling so far. As far as I know, there is no official evidence for "Metallia" and "Metalia."

genkib said:
About Witches 5 & Kaolinite...Kaolinite was Prof Tomoe's assistant (& possibly mistress as Hotaru has implicated) Kaori but she was struck by lightning during an experiment and possessed by the evil alien being Kaolinite from Tau Ceti.
Debunking Common Misconceptions: Tau Ceti and Ichigen Kukan

The Death Busters are associated with a spiral galaxy that is called タウ星系 Tau Seikei, which means "Tau Galaxy" where the 星系 Seikei (literally star system) means Galaxy in this case.
 
#6
Antie said:
SailorSirius said:
Beryl was influenced by Metallia (or Metaria as some people here prefer)
"METARIA" actually appears in the new version of the manga, and nobody has found anything objectively wrong with it, so it is the best spelling so far. As far as I know, there is no official evidence for "Metallia" and "Metalia."
That's why I mentioned it ^^ I'm just used to "Metallia".
 
#7
SailorSirius said:
That's why I mentioned it ^^ I'm just used to "Metallia".
It looks like many people are, too. I should use "Metaria" more often so that more people get used to it. (I should also use "Demand," "Al," and "En" more often, too.)
 

kyleen66

Lapis Lunaris
Dec 23, 2003
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#8
I think this whole topic brings up the interesting point of does a character have to have a reason to be evil? Can't they just be that way because that's the way they are? Does being evil mean they can't love? Have loyalties? From both the Manga and the anime we're shown that's not true. Our evil characters do both.

I love a good villian that is fleshed out and has great modivations, but I don't necessarily think they had have a reason to be evil or that they were "good" at one point. Or that they are all even redeamable. A good villian is the mirror that shows us how truely good our hero (or heroine) can really be.

- kyleen
 

wafflejones

Lapis Lunaris
Dec 20, 2003
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#9
kyleen66 said:
I think this whole topic brings up the interesting point of does a character have to have a reason to be evil? Can't they just be that way because that's the way they are? Does being evil mean they can't love? Have loyalties? From both the Manga and the anime we're shown that's not true. Our evil characters do both.
Good point. However, it is my belief that no one really starts off evil, or good for that matter. I think it's the little decisions they make or how others treat them that affects whether a character turns evil or good.

We don't know how the kings (generals) went to the evil side (in the manga) in the first place, but I think the second they were made evil they became different people all together. In the manga, they probably were brainwashed, but hey, they did have their doubts about Endymion's choices before then, didn't they?
 

wazzle_wizzle

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Dec 5, 2003
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#10
Antie said:
"METARIA" actually appears in the new version of the manga, and nobody has found anything objectively wrong with it, so it is the best spelling so far. As far as I know, there is no official evidence for "Metallia" and "Metalia."
I'd always worked on the assumption that since the four Shitenou were named after minerals (Nephlite being Nephrite with the common "Engrish" L/R transpositon) then it made perfect sense that their ultimate Queen would be called METALia. Metal/stones/minerals.

Kind of all fits together, and certainly makes sense in a way that Metaria doesn't.

Just my $.02
 

CobraMorph

Lapis Lunaris
Jan 12, 2004
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#11
kyleen66 said:
I think this whole topic brings up the interesting point of does a character have to have a reason to be evil? Can't they just be that way because that's the way they are? Does being evil mean they can't love? Have loyalties? From both the Manga and the anime we're shown that's not true. Our evil characters do both.

I love a good villian that is fleshed out and has great modivations, but I don't necessarily think they had have a reason to be evil or that they were "good" at one point. Or that they are all even redeamable. A good villian is the mirror that shows us how truely good our hero (or heroine) can really be.

- kyleen
Never said that. In fact, loving someone & being rejected & therofre seeking revenge on that person & the one they chose over you is a very common motivation. Also, there are lots of characters who were evil but love turned them good.

I was just asking cause, I dont recall any reason or backstory given. Were they taken over by snakes in their guts, or did they chose to turn? that was the question.