Viz replies to the video quality complaints in the SM set!

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PlanB: How was it, after the process, Towers and Capital 8 were able to acquire the remastered versión of Sailor moon from Toei? What did you have to sell (to them)?

Sanz: Basically, it was an expensive product. Sailor Moon is an expensive product, mainly because it's starting to reappear in markets all over the world. It is being relicensed all over.

PlanB: We’re not going to tell you all the details of how it was acquired, etc, because (if we did), Toei’s offices would be burned down at this moment.
This quote confuses me. Did Sanz tell PlanB how they acquired the remasters and PlanB themselves decided it was better not to reveal how it had been done? Also, what would be so bad that "Toei's offices would be burned down" if PlanB had told us? Was it something illegal?
 

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PokemonBWDub said:
PlanB: How was it, after the process, Towers and Capital 8 were able to acquire the remastered versión of Sailor moon from Toei? What did you have to sell (to them)?

Sanz: Basically, it was an expensive product. Sailor Moon is an expensive product, mainly because it's starting to reappear in markets all over the world. It is being relicensed all over.

PlanB: We’re not going to tell you all the details of how it was acquired, etc, because (if we did), Toei’s offices would be burned down at this moment.
This quote confuses me. Did Sanz tell PlanB how they acquired the remasters and PlanB themselves decided it was better not to reveal how it had been done? Also, what would be so bad that "Toei's offices would be burned down" if PlanB had told us? Was it something illegal?
PlanB is from a website, they were doing a podcast interview with Sanz, who is working on the Mexican releases of Sailor Moon (at Towers Entertainment).

Basically, Sanz was kind of hinting at how difficult it was to even get the license, and what they had to do to get the remastered versions. I don't think he was at liberty to discuss the details of the license contract, but what he did say was the bolded part "We’re not going to tell you all the details of how it was acquired, etc, because (if we did), Toei’s offices would be burned down at this moment." PlanB was kind of "filling in the blanks" regarding Sanz's hints, if that makes sense.
 

NJ_

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Eric said:
NJ_ said:
And if so then we'll know how much Q-Tec will screw it up over there.
What is Q-Tec?
They're the company who Toei has been hiring to upscale their own shows for Blu-ray recently and they have a track record of doing terrible upscales of other shows like FLCL, Blue Submarine No. 6, season 1 of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya and others.

Upscaled Toei Blu-rays released so Far:

Galaxy Express 999*

http://someimage.com/9BCU

Saint Seiya*

http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/sho ... post252476

Slam Dunk

http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/sho ... post254390

* - Both had their movies remastered & released on Blu-ray years earlier (not an upscale) and while 999's looked like FUNimation DBZ-level garbage because of the excessive DNR, Saint Seiya's actually looked great. Here are screencaps from the third movie.

http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/sho ... #post57322

(I own the Discotek DVDs which used those masters and they really do look nice)

Next Toei series to get a Blu-ray box release will be Digimon starting with all of the movies in January and then the first season, Digimon Adventure in March.

http://www.fandompost.com/oldforums/sho ... post258795
 
Jul 29, 2012
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Well, my line of thinking is that if TOEI releases "Sailor Moon" on Blu-Ray in Japan, and their release looks better than VIZ's (no ghosting or blended frames), then this means that TOEI provided VIZ with inferior masters.

Does this make sense?
 

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Eric said:
Well, my line of thinking is that if TOEI releases "Sailor Moon" on Blu-Ray in Japan, and their release looks better than VIZ's (no ghosting or blended frames), then this means that TOEI provided VIZ with inferior masters.

Does this make sense?
It does but it's the same question: they could've either provided them with bad masters... or they could've done the remastering better themselves. I'm tempted to believe the "bad masters" theory though, especially after listening to that interview - the part where the women talk about the creditless opening and how it had better quality than the masters they got. In my mind, if they applied their remastering "techniques" on it the same way and the ghosting and issues were due to the remastering itself, then the same should've happened on the creditless version. Instead, that one's fine, while the one at the beginning of the episode is not. And they do mention that the creditless one comes from a different source than the actual episode footage. After reading previous posts in here and the copy+paste someone did from that "Transformers Wiki" page, I'm starting to wonder if Viz didn't get the creditless version off the Internet or from a fan site or something.
 

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But that's the reason the clean openings were brought up; Viz didn't do any remastering on them, and lo and behold, they look great. That is why the interviewer is insistent Viz introduced the issues themselves. That doesn't make it the case of course, I believe the "bad master" theory myself, but the fact the openings are fine isn't evidence of the "bad master" theory.
 

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Sabrblade said:
Could the clean openings have simply come from a different source master?
Yeah, the ladies in the audio clip mention that, I believe.

EDIT: And they also refused to answer straight when questioned about the quality of future releases. If they manage to delete these problems from future releases that's great but I'm more worried about future masters looking even worse and the result being even worse. Anyone have any idea about the quality of the old masters as the seasons advanced?
 
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Got one thing to say and one thing only:


Can't we all agree that Sailor Moon is perfect no matter what aspect ratio it is in?
 
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I'm 90% certain that the aliasing/ghosting we're seeing on this release stems from a compression/conversion problem on Toei's end with the original ingested pro-rez files. It would have been great had someone at Viz taken the time to seek out and compare the quality to other international releases before the encoding process began to make sure what they had was the absolute best but clearly this wasn't the case. That being said I feel confident after listening to ANNcast that Viz will do everything in their power to improve future releases. **holds breath**
 
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Watching the episodes now and for the most part there really isn't that much for me to complain about, when you think about how old this series is, it looks great on blu-ray. Sure there is ghosting but I feel like it isn't something you really notice unless you are looking for it, it's a blink and you miss it type situation. The only major annoyance I have is at times when they do wide/long shots you can clearly tell that Viz softend the frames but up close shots look just fine for the most part. But this is the best we are going to get the series so it is something that you either have to accept (at least for the first season) or don't.

But since the animation gets fairly better as the series goes on, I think things should only get better from here.
 

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NeoJupiter said:
Watching the episodes now and for the most part there really isn't that much for me to complain about, when you think about how old this series is, it looks great on blu-ray. Sure there is ghosting but I feel like it isn't something you really notice unless you are looking for it, it's a blink and you miss it type situation. The only major annoyance I have is at times when they do wide/long shots you can clearly tell that Viz softend the frames but up close shots look just fine for the most part. But this is the best we are going to get the series so it is something that you either have to accept (at least for the first season) or don't.

But since the animation gets fairly better as the series goes on, I think things should only get better from here.
"When you think how old the series is" <-- I hate hearing this excuse because despite "how old" Sailor Moon is, there have been releases around the world without said issues.
 

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You know, I wonder if Viz has a contract with Subatomic Digital, since they mentioned that they can't switch authoring houses.

If that's the case, if enough complaints come in, would Viz cancel the contract, and move it to Justin Sevakis? I mean people point to him, when it comes to classic series authoring...and from what I heard, Justin's MediaOCD does TONS better than Subatomic Digital! If that does happen, we wouldn't have this issue, and Viz got a good release out of it.
 
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Based on VIZ's successful release of Ranma 1/2, I am inclined to believe that VIZ is doing everything it possibly can to give "Sailor Moon" the treatment that it deserves.

TOEI, on the other hand, allegedly has a history of not cooperating and being difficult.
 

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Eric said:
VIZ released "Ranma 1/2," a show much older than "Sailor Moon," on Blu-Ray, and VIZ's release was highly praised:

Link to Ranma 1/2 Set 1 LE Blu-Ray's Amazon page
Praised because they used an already existing HD master from these sets.

http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00AQSMRL6
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00AQSNO6I
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00AQSRJ28

Their new DVDs are another story though because apparently they're also pillarboxed.

The price of the LE Ranma 1/2 blu-ray is also much cheaper than Sailor Moon's. This makes me wonder if the price of "Sailor Moon" will drop at some point.
Not anytime soon it won't plus unlike Ranma, Sailor Moon got a new English dub and dubs usually adds more to the retail price of a set if said dub is getting released for the first time.
 
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Mercurius said:
If that's the case, if enough complaints come in, would Viz cancel the contract, and move it to Justin Sevakis? I mean people point to him, when it comes to classic series authoring...and from what I heard, Justin's MediaOCD does TONS better than Subatomic Digital! If that does happen, we wouldn't have this issue, and Viz got a good release out of it.

Except that Justin has been pretty vocal over the years about his profound hatred of Sailor Moon. (Notice how he ducked out of the most recent episode of ANNcast which covered this release.) Not sure that I would want a cynic who despises the property as much as he does to be in charge mastering it for home video.


NJ_ said:
The price of the LE Ranma 1/2 blu-ray is also much cheaper than Sailor Moon's. This makes me wonder if the price of "Sailor Moon" will drop at some point.
Not anytime soon it won't plus unlike Ranma, Sailor Moon got a new English dub and dubs usually adds more to the retail price of a set if said dub is getting released for the first time.

And Sailor Moon is more than likely a far more expensive show to license.
 

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SoldierOfTheSun said:
Mercurius said:
If that's the case, if enough complaints come in, would Viz cancel the contract, and move it to Justin Sevakis? I mean people point to him, when it comes to classic series authoring...and from what I heard, Justin's MediaOCD does TONS better than Subatomic Digital! If that does happen, we wouldn't have this issue, and Viz got a good release out of it.

Except that Justin has been pretty vocal over the years about his profound hatred of Sailor Moon. (Notice how he ducked out of the most recent episode of ANNcast which covered this release.) Not sure that I would want a cynic who despises the property as much as he does to be in charge mastering it for home video.
Umm..he retweeted @BigOnAnime's tweet:
The only thing that might be saved is Sailor Moon Crystal if @worldofcrap does the Blu-ray authoring.
So, I wouldn't say that, just yet. ;)
 
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Of course as a businessman he would want that contract. I don't know, I guess I'm just urked by his forceful "abandon all hope. Sailor Moon is NEVER coming back" attitude that he took on the ANN forums for several years.