What were Saphir's true feelings for Demand?

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What did Saphir feel for his brother?

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Jul 29, 2012
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#61
If memory doesn’t fail me, it is somewhat implied in the manga that Saphir cares about his brother and is worried about how Wiseman controls him; it might be subtle or nonexistent, but maybe Saphir likes his brother in the manga, too.

Wasn’t Rubeus infatuated with Esmeraude in the 90’s anime, too, or am I imagining things?
 
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If memory doesn’t fail me, it is somewhat implied in the manga that Saphir cares about his brother and is worried about how Wiseman controls him; it might be subtle or nonexistent, but maybe Saphir likes his brother in the manga, too.
Not really, pretty much the only thing that can be taken as a hint is that he tries to kill Sailor Moon but it's made pretty clear that's just due to him being psychotic and seriously believing that the Silver Crystal is the cause of all the trouble in the world. In the manga he's not suspicious of Wiseman either, in fact that's more Rubeus's area. (Rubeus is better developed in the manga compared to the 90's anime surprisingly)

Wasn’t Rubeus infatuated with Esmeraude in the 90’s anime, too, or am I imagining things?
No, Rubeus and Esmeraude hate each other's guts in the anime, lol, she was actually the one who killed him. In the manga/Crystal though there is an implication that there might be something since he teases her playfully there.
 
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Not really, pretty much the only thing that can be taken as a hint is that he tries to kill Sailor Moon but it's made pretty clear that's just due to him being psychotic and seriously believing that the Silver Crystal is the cause of all the trouble in the world. In the manga he's not suspicious of Wiseman either, in fact that's more Rubeus's area. (Rubeus is better developed in the manga compared to the 90's anime surprisingly)


No, Rubeus and Esmeraude hate each other's guts in the anime, lol, she was actually the one who killed him. In the manga/Crystal though there is an implication that there might be something since he teases her playfully there.
That scene felt a bit odd to me, he seems to be quite rational before that page, and suddenly turned into a monster and tried to kill Sailor Moon.

Rubeus was evil in the 90s anime, but he was also menacing and manipulative, I don't think he was not developed, just didn't get to see his human side before his last moment.
 
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That scene felt a bit odd to me, he seems to be quite rational before that page, and suddenly turned into a monster and tried to kill Sailor Moon.
Yeah the manga is infamously known for having a problem developing it's villains, this is just but one example. Pretty much the only villains that were done better in the manga compared to the 90's were Beryl and Galaxia, (and to some extent Rubeus as I just explained) everyone else was much better characterized in the 90's anime for the most part.
 
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Yeah the manga is infamously known for having a problem developing it's villains, this is just but one example. Pretty much the only villains that were done better in the manga compared to the 90's were Beryl and Galaxia, (and to some extent Rubeus as I just explained) everyone else was much better characterized in the 90's anime for the most part.
Demande was also well done except the ending. He was crazy and utter evil in the manga but we also saw his goal, his struggle and his counterattack against Wiseman.
 

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Not really, pretty much the only thing that can be taken as a hint is that he tries to kill Sailor Moon but it's made pretty clear that's just due to him being psychotic and seriously believing that the Silver Crystal is the cause of all the trouble in the world. In the manga he's not suspicious of Wiseman either, in fact that's more Rubeus's area. (Rubeus is better developed in the manga compared to the 90's anime surprisingly)


No, Rubeus and Esmeraude hate each other's guts in the anime, lol, she was actually the one who killed him. In the manga/Crystal though there is an implication that there might be something since he teases her playfully there.
Thanks for reminding me. I haven’t watched R for a long time. I prefer the Crystal version.
 
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Thanks for reminding me. I haven’t watched R for a long time. I prefer the Crystal version.
I generally prefer the Manga/Crystal version of R too when it comes to the plot and it's overall handling of both Chibi-Usa and Pluto, but the BMC is definitely one area I prefer the 90's anime to the Manga/Crystal. (Except maybe Rubeus's characterization)
 
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#68
Here's some proof that Demande/Saphir is quite the popular ship in Japan, and that the Japanese interpret it to be a canon ship in the 90's anime same way Kunzite & Zocite are accepted as one. (or at least semi-canon from Saphir's side) Japanese fans make tons of cosplay shipping videos of them, such as these two which are some of my favorites.


https://youtu.be/ZHl8PWvMzb8

https://youtu.be/8sL39uIgGuc

They also get quite a ton of doujins made of them (alot of which I own myself) you have to understand that shipping culture is completely different in Japan vs the East, canon reigns supreme there and crackships are few & far between, so you won't see many doujins of stuff like Demande/Mamoru or even rare Senshi shippings like Minako/Ami, it's always the default pairings, so if a certain ship is getting lots of fan-content produced in Japan it's safe to say that it's interpreted as canon or semi-canon by the vast majority of the Japanese audience.
 
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Here's some proof that Demande/Saphir is quite the popular ship in Japan, and that the Japanese interpret it to be a canon ship in the 90's anime same way Kunzite & Zocite are accepted as one. (or at least semi-canon from Saphir's side) Japanese fans make tons of cosplay shipping videos of them, such as these two which are some of my favorites.


https://youtu.be/ZHl8PWvMzb8

https://youtu.be/8sL39uIgGuc

They also get quite a ton of doujins made of them (alot of which I own myself) you have to understand that shipping culture is completely different in Japan vs the East, canon reigns supreme there and crackships are few & far between, so you won't see many doujins of stuff like Demande/Mamoru or even rare Senshi shippings like Minako/Ami, it's always the default pairings, so if a certain ship is getting lots of fan-content produced in Japan it's safe to say that it's interpreted as canon or semi-canon by the vast majority of the Japanese audience.
Just because there's a fan-preferred pairing doesn't make it canonical. There are plenty of non-canon ships that fans wish were canon (like Lapidot) and are heavily referenced in fan pairings but aren't meant to be a couple.
 
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If Naoko or one of her licensees didn't make it, it ain't canon.

"Canon" = "Official", as in needing to come from those in charge of producing licensed fiction for the series.

Coming from fans who have no legal authority over the series = "headcanon"/"unlicensed"/"unofficial".
 
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I think the real question to start with here is to confirm if his name is Diamond (which will be totally logical with his other Black Moon colleagues) or Demande :rofl:
 
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If Naoko or one of her licensees didn't make it, it ain't canon.

"Canon" = "Official", as in needing to come from those in charge of producing licensed fiction for the series.

Coming from fans who have no legal authority over the series = "headcanon"/"unlicensed"/"unofficial".
I feel like unless we get an official source on this.This is just speculation.
 
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