While I Am Proud to be a Moonie, I Hate this Fandom At Times

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#61
John said:
LifeGaveMeLemons said:
Pointing out Crystal’s ugly and cheap animation is just being objective.
This is very true.

But taking every single opportunity to point out Crystal's cheap animation -- even in threads that have nothing to do with Crystal -- means that the person in question, whoever it is, is looking to rile up other fans.

Another example is more hypothetical, so this didn't happen, but it pretty clearly illustrates the point. I recently made a Sera Myu thread asking why more people aren't into the musicals. If someone came in and said "Oh man, I can't be bothered to watch the musicals because I'm too distracted by how terrible Crystal is!" then it's not just someone being objective about the animation quality -- it's someone who is only interested in stirring up the fandom re: Crystal at every possible opportunity.
With Crystal Season III I actually point how how it's actually good/great, but to me it still pales compared to Sailor Moon S's.

I need to find time to watch the musicals, that's a reason why I'm not into them; I'm too busy with life... :blue:
 

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FloraKiraraHime said:
I actually enjoyed Crystal Season III. I understand what you mean, Sailor Moon S did throughly develop the relationship between Haruka and Michiru.
I enjoyed it too also, and like I did mention before (I think) it did improve on stuff from the manga (I like how they got rid of the "once they become Hostes they cannot be saved" thing because in the manga it makes it look like all the Sailors did was for naught). In my opinion comparing the two anime versions of Infinity:

Better Sailor Moon/Super Sailor Moon: Sailor Moon S

Better Inner Senshi (Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Venus): Sailor Moon S (Crystal still hasn't done them justice)

Better Sailor Pluto: Close call, but Sailor Moon Crystal Season III (she had good screentime and was used fine in S though)

Better Sailors Uranus and Neptune (Uranus was creepy and about as appealing as a stalker rapist. Sadly Neptune was just there, no character or personality): Sailor Moon S

Better Hotaru (Hotaru and Saturn I see as two separate characters in S/Infinity): Tie

Better Sailor Chibi Moon: I say Sailor Moon S, while is good in both, she feels more like a Sailor Soldier in there. In Crystal, Sailor Soldier form, she's more underplayed, and while she is nicer she doesn't fight a whole lot and doesn't leave too much of an impression.

Better Death Busters: Sailor Moon S

Better Sailor Saturn: Sailor Moon Crystal Season III (obviously, LOL, but 90's Saturn was cool too)

Better Art/Animation: Close call, but either a tie or Sailor Moon S, there's something about hand drawn animation that looks slightly superior but Toei did step up their game for season III.

Better Music: Sailor Moon S

Better Action Scenes: Both are great, but I'm going with Sailor Moon S (they have better pacing and are more creative/flashy with some elements, and the Inners are more useful there)

Better Story/Pacing: Sailor Moon S (S has 38 episodes to tell the story being an advantage, Crystal only has 13, and suffers, not fleshing out enough characters, and the story seems rushed, though at times in S, round about episodes 115-118, while they were great, the pacing did seem to slow a bit too much, but for S it feels like this is all something big the Sailors have to face)

Better Anime Overall: Sailor Moon S
 

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#64
^ I loved the Inner Senshi in the original anime and live action tokusatsu. Crystal's Inner Senshi are flat and one-dimensional, they are dull comapred to their 90's and live action counterparts.
 

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^ Same with me. They were much more competent in battle in those versions too...Crystal's, minus season III (part of it) can't fight for peanuts.
 
#66
I don't understand what it is about Crystal earlier seasons making the Senshi so disposable. Like you have to give Crystal credit for it's on the spot real time attacks. That sequence where Jupiter and Mars do the double attack on Zoisite was great but like one swoosh and the next thing I know, they are flat on the ground like last week's newspapers.

I suspect this is to put Sailor Moon in a more powerful light over the others. I mean, yeah it's her show but she would be nothing without her crew. Season 3 picked up the pace a little, but I quickly became disgusted when they were dispatched so easily by the Witches 5. The only one that put up a fight was Sailor Moon.

Also, Viluy's Moasic Buster is so overpowered. The best utilization of the Senshi was in the live action..The further you get down the better they get but the Senshi could fight on their own with SM present and even destroy you a on their own.

Next would be 90s. Once again the Senshi are seen destroying youma on their own. Mars kills a monster flat out on her debut episode. Jupiter has killed youma on her own. In fact all of the Senshi in the 90s have killed youma on their own.

In Crystal, only Jupiter has killed a youma by herself and the Outers.

What's the deal with Mars Snake Fire jumping power ranges in some episodes? One minute in can be deflected by Eduial and the Next minute it's stopping an attack by Cyprine, a witch so many times more stronger than Eduial herself. Go Mars.

Thankfully, S3 gave them all a few good moments but gravitated to much on SM's wand and Uranus sword. I did like S3 tho much better. It has some replay value.

And poor Neptune. Not only is she just there to be there, but her transformation hair flip looks so choppy like a real sea. I was sad.

I hope these dream movies don't literally put me to sleep.
 

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^ I think they constantly made the Inners weak and useless in Crystal (unlike the 90's anime) as a frequent excuse for failing to come up with cogent, proper ways to develop and make them useful in battle. :x

That Mars and Jupiter vs Zoisite wasn't epic at all considering they got defeated quickly and those attacks despite their appearance looked weak, and not more powerful than the original at all, maybe they'd look more powerful if they, I dunno WORKED AND HARMED/KILLED ENEMIES!!!! :x :x :x

Yes, all the Sailors in the anime got to finish off a monster solo by themselves at least once, which is cool.

I haven't seen PGSM minus episode 1 and some clips here and there, but anyone who claims the Inners supposedly are "more useful/competent" in battle in Crystal than the 90's, I frankly must question their intelligence or if they've even the original anime, I once got into some argument with one guy who insulted me for trying to make valid points there (read the comments: I posted it earlier but may as well post it again): https://www.deviantart.com/users/outgoi ... 0mkcQFiyWA

Yeah, just laugh at me, don't actually read every word I say and treat me like an idiot because I have valid points, because apparently I'm a child who doesn't know what he's talking about, typical Pride Sider (and if you think both are good why are you trying to bring the original down to make Crystal look better?) :| :| :| :|

But considering they couldn't come up with valid points (yeah, the Inners did get up after they pathetically gave up but their generic looking Sailor Planet Attack which looked like a generic DBZ [no offense to that anime series] light blast didn't work, and still, them giving up just makes them), and never explained how it was "proven several times they were more useful in Crystal", I've learned that if fanboys (and the people who voted their comments up) can't come up with legitmate reasons to like/defend it (in this case, the first two seasons of Crystal, and no one really explained why they thought it was great other than "beautiful", which is vague), then there's a probably 99.999999999999999999999% chance whatever (they're obsessed with) they love is a turd. Whenever rabid Crystal fans tried to defend Crystal from my experience, no one offered anything even close to a valid counterargument, they acted like they didn't even pay attention to what I said or they just used lame excuses to try to cover up its faults (or the manga's faults). It's like I'm talking to a brick wall. :sick:
 

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^^ As much as I disliked Sailor Planet Attack in the original anime. I'm neutral about it in PGSM, as it was used only once (the Special Act). This is mainly due to adding Moon, who is a non-planetary Soldier. These versions, however, are better done than Crystal's versions.
 
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SailorSpySedna said:
I haven't seen PGSM minus episode 1 and some clips here and there, but anyone who claims the Inners supposedly are "more useful/competent" in battle in Crystal than the 90's, I frankly must question their intelligence or if they've even the original anime, I once got into some argument with one guy who insulted me for trying to make valid points there (read the comments: I posted it earlier but may as well post it again): https://www.deviantart.com/users/outgoi ... 0mkcQFiyWA
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FloraKiraraHime said:
^^ As much as I disliked Sailor Planet Attack in the original anime. I'm neutral about it in PGSM, as it was used only once (the Special Act). This is mainly due to adding Moon, who is a non-planetary Soldier. These versions, however, are better done than Crystal's versions.
While I'm fine with it, yes, I agree, it is odd they added Moon in there. I've seen a fan version where they added Fighter and I did ask the creator why as Fighter doesn't represent a planet or moon but a star.

rgveda99 said:
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Huh? That's odd. Did it go to the Youtube page? Maybe they're gone or something...
 

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There's no difference between types of Senshi in universe. Its called Sailor Planet Attack because Sailor Space Object Attack doesn't qite sound as nice
 

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SailorSpySedna said:
FloraKiraraHime said:
I actually enjoyed Crystal Season III. I understand what you mean, Sailor Moon S did throughly develop the relationship between Haruka and Michiru.
I enjoyed it too also, and like I did mention before (I think) it did improve on stuff from the manga (I like how they got rid of the "once they become Hostes they cannot be saved" thing because in the manga it makes it look like all the Sailors did was for naught). In my opinion comparing the two anime versions of Infinity:

Better Sailor Moon/Super Sailor Moon: Sailor Moon S

Better Inner Senshi (Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Venus): Sailor Moon S (Crystal still hasn't done them justice)

Better Sailor Pluto: Close call, but Sailor Moon Crystal Season III (she had good screentime and was used fine in S though)

Better Sailors Uranus and Neptune (Uranus was creepy and about as appealing as a stalker rapist. Sadly Neptune was just there, no character or personality): Sailor Moon S
Better Hotaru (Hotaru and Saturn I see as two separate characters in S/Infinity): Tie

Better Sailor Chibi Moon: I say Sailor Moon S, while is good in both, she feels more like a Sailor Soldier in there. In Crystal, Sailor Soldier form, she's more underplayed, and while she is nicer she doesn't fight a whole lot and doesn't leave too much of an impression.

Better Death Busters: Sailor Moon S

Better Sailor Saturn: Sailor Moon Crystal Season III (obviously, LOL, but 90's Saturn was cool too)

Better Art/Animation: Close call, but either a tie or Sailor Moon S, there's something about hand drawn animation that looks slightly superior but Toei did step up their game for season III.

Better Music: Sailor Moon S

Better Action Scenes: Both are great, but I'm going with Sailor Moon S (they have better pacing and are more creative/flashy with some elements, and the Inners are more useful there)

Better Story/Pacing: Sailor Moon S (S has 38 episodes to tell the story being an advantage, Crystal only has 13, and suffers, not fleshing out enough characters, and the story seems rushed, though at times in S, round about episodes 115-118, while they were great, the pacing did seem to slow a bit too much, but for S it feels like this is all something big the Sailors have to face)

Better Anime Overall: Sailor Moon S
Hotaru is no more a separate person from Saturn then the other girl's Senshi guises are from them. Hotaru and Sailor Saturn are the same person.
 

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MariaTenebre said:
Hotaru is no more a separate person from Saturn then the other girl's Senshi guises are from them. Hotaru and Sailor Saturn are the same person.
I... Disagree here. Saturn is more like a force of nature that happens to live in Hotaru. When Hotaru reawakens in Stars, Saturn appears before her and grants her her power and memories.
 
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SailorSpySedna said:
Huh? That's odd. Did it go to the Youtube page? Maybe they're gone or something...
Actually it showed up right now. Must be a glitch. :innocent:

It says 2 replies but its showing up only 1.

This is one of the reasons I prefer the original anime, no matter how much they get beaten, the Sailor Senshi always stand right back up, and they don't give up no matter what happens, and no matter the cost, and they all got to work as a team here! Way better than any of the [BLEEP] we see in Crystal when they constantly were getting worfed and unable to get back up after getting hit and they were so pathetically useless compared to the original versions. Wish it was the Japanese version, but oh well, it's got Karen Bernstein.
Crystal is far better than the original. At least it follows the manga and actually has a story to it
 

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A common complaint
Fans of the 90's anime tend to insult Crystal and imply that Crystal fans know nothing about art or animation. My point is: if you like Crystal, then good for you. If people insult you or think poorly of you because you like Crystal, then that is their problem, not yours. As an individual, you don't need anyone's approval to enjoy or watch an anime. Most Crystal fans complain that they are misunderstood, but it seems to me that they are seeking validation from others from the fandom. Well, you don't need validation. I am not super crazy about Crystal as I am about the 90's anime, but I enjoyed Crystal's 2nd season and I thought that the 3rd season was an improvement over the two previous seasons. I don't care if others think poorly of me because I enjoyed watching Crystal. As flawed as it is, I enjoyed Crystal and my experience watching the anime is what matters. If people are not happy that I had fun watching while the 2nd and 3rd seasons, well, that is not my problem.
 

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rgveda99 said:
SailorSpySedna said:
Huh? That's odd. Did it go to the Youtube page? Maybe they're gone or something...
Actually it showed up right now. Must be a glitch. :innocent:

It says 2 replies but its showing up only 1.

This is one of the reasons I prefer the original anime, no matter how much they get beaten, the Sailor Senshi always stand right back up, and they don't give up no matter what happens, and no matter the cost, and they all got to work as a team here! Way better than any of the ☹ we see in Crystal when they constantly were getting worfed and unable to get back up after getting hit and they were so pathetically useless compared to the original versions. Wish it was the Japanese version, but oh well, it's got Karen Bernstein.
Crystal is far better than the original. At least it follows the manga and actually has a story to it
I see...it was with that guy "Shinobi Hex" whom I was talking to is what I meant, not the guy who was talking to me.

And that other comment, I don't know what they were thinking, the original anime had a story to it, did they even see the original anime (and Crystal following the manga is NO excuse for its flaws, it's just making the manga look bad and shows it has not aged well at all)? I don't think so... I replied to them telling them to speak for themselves.
 
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SailorSpySedna said:
I see...it was with that guy "Shinobi Hex" whom I was talking to is what I meant, not the guy who was talking to me.
I see what you mean. He talks like that other former forum member here I mentioned before. I've had arguments similar to that one too. I didn't even bother reading all of his replies to know what kind of person he is. Not worth your time. People like that just want to win an argument and/or boost their ego.
 

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rgveda99 said:
SailorSpySedna said:
I see...it was with that guy "Shinobi Hex" whom I was talking to is what I meant, not the guy who was talking to me.
I see what you mean. He talks like that other former forum member here I mentioned before. I've had arguments similar to that one too. I didn't even bother reading all of his replies to know what kind of person he is. Not worth your time. People like that just want to win an argument and/or boost their ego.
Yup. I just bid him farewell and blocked him, plus like a lot of Crystal fans (rabid ones by what I mean), not only did he act arrogant there, he didn't offer anything even close to a valid counterargument. "It's been proven several times they've been more useful in Crystal" is not an argument. "You threw your point out the window/whatever helps you sleep at night :lol:" is not an argument. "They are so useless smh" is not an argument (and like I said, even if the Inners did get up in act 10 it's still no excuse for them giving up before, so they still were useless there). Same thing applies for that other person who was defending them, and the Inners didn't get their butts kicked all the time in both versions. Best though if they and the 7 people who upvoted them (irritating I got none, making me feel like no one even bothers reading what I write and instead are just merely content with upvoting every positive Crystal review this movie has, no matter how weak of an argument/excuse it has) just stick to the (in my opinion) homogenized brand of Sailor Moon instead of the one with depth of character, actually mostly well paced story, good/wonderful artwork and animation and actual showing of the girls as competent, badass sailor suited warriors in it, they and the rabid fanboys are proving that whoever wrote/created Crystal had no imagination and assumed people would love any crap as long as it looked like Sailor Moon, in fact, if we do an experiment where we take all the Sailor Moon stuff out from this film and replace it with a different setting (say, a jungle one with anthro animals or something) and we'll realize that what we're left with is useless, cheap junk that no one will give a crap about. :neutral:
 

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Sheesh, those rabid Crystal fans don't want to listen to a proper, valid argument. So, I understand exactly what you were going through. That one forum member I mentioned a while back, she was female. She tried to defend the not-so-good animation of Crystal, claiming it was flawless, I said it wasn't. Then, she proceeded to say some harsh words towards certain members, yes, myself included (it's been disposed of).

This made me like Crystal less.

EDIT: This forum user described the fandom as "pathetic". Now, I agree that this fandom is not great. Though, she still attacked me, I'm trying hard to move on.