While I Am Proud to be a Moonie, I Hate this Fandom At Times

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SailorSpySedna

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Yikes, sorry to hear that happened to you (and sorry to sound harsh, but I don't think she knows what good art/animation is even if it smacked her in the head). That user reminds me of some Youtuber named Trini Dayana Rivera (one of the top 3 worst Crystal Defenders out there along with Miss LearningtheTruth and Yoon Ho, two other horrible users, and she has her own DA account too), who after she stalked me and harassed me, claimed the Sailor Moon fandom was "spoiled/POS fandom" like the Steven Universe fandom (please, that fandom's way, way worse), she called me a "nostalgia f@g" (typical Crystal Defender cry) and her stupid friend and her thought I was a "feminist". I made this in response: https://seiya-meteorite.deviantart.com/ ... -680912956 :|

If Trini from Power Rangers were real, she'd tell that Trini to go climb a tree or make her do it. I even did a rant on her once on Youtube but took it down (personal reasons though it's still on my computer). By the way you described that other horrible person, it brought that user to my recollection and I wonder if "Trini Dayana Rivera" is her... :?
 
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FloraKiraraHime said:
. She tried to defend the not-so-good animation of Crystal, claiming it was flawless, I said it wasn't. .
Lol how far in denial do you have to be to say Crystal's animation is flawless? It's ugly looking the, with lazy character designs that make the characters look anorexic and alien and the actual animation is cheap.

And look as a fan of the 90s anime I'm hardly in the room to talk. That had cheap animation too that relied way to heavily on stock footage and looping the same animation over. But I'm not going to pretend it's flawless either

SailorSpySedna said:
and her stupid friend and her thought I was a "feminist".
Considering Sailor Moon has feminist messages of female empowerment and the strength of girls and femininity it's a bit odd for a Sailor Moon fan to use feminist as a insult. I mean shoot Sailor Team no Theme and Moon Pride are about as feminist as they come (ironic in Moon Pride's case given Crystal's treatment to the inners but hey)

I mean granted Crystal reduces the inner soldiers to being defined by their relationship with the four kings and removes their bad @$$ moments in the manga.

If Trini from Power Rangers were real, she'd tell that Trini to go climb a tree or make her do it. ?
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#83
^ Well, despite, the original anime's animation, it still looked more beautiful than that of Crystal seasons 1 and 2. I actually pretty much liked the 90's stock footage.
 
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Clow said:
Fans of the 90's anime tend to insult Crystal and imply that Crystal fans know nothing about art or animation.
That's because some Crystal fans make outrageous claims like insisting that obviously disproportionate designs are somehow anatomically correct or that off-model shots aren't so or that limited movement is high-quality animation. It's one thing to prefer a particular aesthetic or style - that's subjective - but certain aspects of artistic creation such as anatomy or animation principles are objective and can be measured and quantified. To claim otherwise is simply false.

LifeGaveMeLemons said:
How far in denial do you have to be to say Crystal's animation is flawless? It's ugly looking with lazy character designs that make the characters look anorexic and alien and the actual animation is cheap.
So, true! I wouldn't even characterize the '90s anime as "flawless" let alone the flaming pile of garbage that is Crystal.

LifeGaveMeLemons said:
I mean granted Crystal reduces the inner soldiers to being defined by their relationship with the four kings and removes their bad @$$ moments in the manga.
That's one of my major issues with Crystal. It magnified the manga's shortcomings by removing little character moments and interactions that added to the overall characterization.
 
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SailorSpySedna said:
With Crystal Season III I actually point how how it's actually good/great, but to me it still pales compared to Sailor Moon S's.

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I honestly didn’t think much of Sailor Moon S (let’s juxtapose a really dark storyline about the end of the world and sacrificing lives for the greater good with the stupidest looking monsters of the day up to this point) and far preferred the manga storyline. I’m somewhat tempted to look past Crystal’s ugliness to give season 3 a go
 
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I can't stand all the hatred that Crystal gets. Mainly it's because of the rabid Crystal defenders/manga purists and the people who constantly bring up Crystal's worst qualities in conversations that aren't even about Crystal. Some of them just act stuckup and snarky and think they're better than everyone while others resort to picking Crystal apart frame by frame and subtitle by subtitle. :o I don't hate Crystal, I like it, but I don't love it. Either way, the Crystal hatred and bashing needs to stop. :o
 
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Another thing that bothers me is cyberbullying in the Sailor Moon community. I've seen admins of forums and facebook groups and pages cyberbully other Sailor Moon fans just for having a different opinion than them. I really wish that something could be done in this case. Cause from 2013 - 2015 I was a victim of cyberbullying in a Sailor Moon community. :o Also, the fact that all the big fansites have twitter cliques and refuse to talk to anyone outside of there cliques is very rude and it makes other people feel excluded. :o
 

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SailorSpySedna said:
and her stupid friend and her thought I was a "feminist".
Considering Sailor Moon has feminist messages of female empowerment and the strength of girls and femininity it's a bit odd for a Sailor Moon fan to use feminist as a insult. I mean shoot Sailor Team no Theme and Moon Pride are about as feminist as they come (ironic in Moon Pride's case given Crystal's treatment to the inners but hey)

I mean granted Crystal reduces the inner soldiers to being defined by their relationship with the four kings and removes their bad @$$ moments in the manga.

If Trini from Power Rangers were real, she'd tell that Trini to go climb a tree or make her do it. ?
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Yeah, it's odd, and about the thing with the tree, I was joking and such.

Yeah, while the original anime had a low budget too and stock footage too, it still looked beautiful and was really good quality, and looked less low budget as it went on...I wouldn't say "cheap" for it overall as it was still quite good/great looking for a 90's TV anime even though it wasn't Studio Ghibli great.

Neo Queen Serenity said:
I can't stand all the hatred that Crystal gets. Mainly it's because of the rabid Crystal defenders/manga purists and the people who constantly bring up Crystal's worst qualities in conversations that aren't even about Crystal. Some of them just act stuckup and snarky and think they're better than everyone while others resort to picking Crystal apart frame by frame and subtitle by subtitle. :o I don't hate Crystal, I like it, but I don't love it. Either way, the Crystal hatred and bashing needs to stop. :o
LifeGaveMeLemons has a point, people can hate Crystal and bash on it if they want to, as long as they don't attack fans for liking it. But I do agree, I wish the cyberbullying should stop, sorry to hear that happened to you (I got cyberbullied hard too, in 2014/2015).

LifeGaveMeLemons said:
I honestly didn’t think much of Sailor Moon S (let’s juxtapose a really dark storyline about the end of the world and sacrificing lives for the greater good with the stupidest looking monsters of the day up to this point) and far preferred the manga storyline. I’m somewhat tempted to look past Crystal’s ugliness to give season 3 a go
Season III actually isn't ugly, trust me. But the story to me wasn't that good compared to S, the conflict with the Inners and Outers felt contrived there, Uranus and Neptune felt more unlikable there, Hotaru being a cyborg was executed poorly, it didn't really move the story forward too much considering she turns into Mistress 9 shortly afterwards, it didn't help with her character growth or leave much of an impact; same thing with Venus being disguised as the Princess in manga act one,
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and Kakyuu as a Sailor Soldier
and the Inner Senshi got pushed to the sidelines in there again (and let's not get started on how they were handled against the Witches 5 there)...plus the way they had it revealed "once a character gets their Hoste taken like those girls and cat in the first acts they can't be saved" made it look like all the previous battles were for naught.
 

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As a crystal fan .I'm sorry you goy bully . but I would be lying rto say the other side is good too. As a crystal fan watching it . I rember the anti side aalso being bullies themselves . I reember people saying if you like Crystal your anit women, homophobic. I remember the wrath of tumbrl that made me not like 90 s anie that much anymore . Reality no side s perfect ,both have arrogant , mean nasty disgusting people. To me, if you don't like the manga alsright. If you don't like the 90 s anime alright. It is your opinion which one is better it is not a fact which one is better I which we as fanbase we can except that but we can't

As for bashing there is difference between bashing,and criticim. The probulum I been seeing around here can not take criticism of their favor version. I mean if you ask most of the crystal fans . They will agrree Crystal is far from perfect, and has flaws.I think most 90 s fans could even ahree the 90 s anime isn't perfect either . Than you these rabid ones who you must see are way . Who act like their opinion is law . Who would attack others , and the version they don't like to make themselves be better
 

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I've never heard or found any people who claim if you like Crystal you're "misogynistic/anti-women/homophobic", but if there are, screw them.

And yes, while I'm not a big fan of Crystal overall (but do like season 3) I don't mind if people like it as long as they're not rabid and they acknowledge it's not perfect, even I know the original anime isn't perfect (SuperS for one thing).
 
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I’ve never seen anyone call Crystal fans misogynistic/homophobic (I’ve heard DiC fans called homophobic though) I myself have argued against Crystal’s sexism or at least failure in delivering female enpowerment (when you reduce the four Sailor guardians character development in the first arc to their relationships with the four kings) but I wouldn’t call fans of Crystal sexist or misogynistic anymore than I would accuse Eminem fans of misogyny


I don’t think Crystal is actively sending harmful messages or that it’s fans are bad. Hell, my sister who got me into Sailor Moon when it aired on USA Network prefers Crystal for its faster pacing and she preferred the greater emphasis on Usagi and Mamoru’s love story (she never read the manga so Crystal’s strengths stood out to her more I think)
 

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LifeGaveMeLemons said:
I’ve never seen anyone call Crystal fans misogynistic/homophobic (I’ve heard DiC fans called homophobic though) I myself have argued against Crystal’s sexism or at least failure in delivering female enpowerment (when you reduce the four Sailor guardians character development in the first arc to their relationships with the four kings) but I wouldn’t call fans of Crystal sexist or misogynistic anymore than I would accuse Eminem fans of misogyny


I don’t think Crystal is actively sending harmful messages or that it’s fans are bad. Hell, my sister who got me into Sailor Moon when it aired on USA Network prefers Crystal for its faster pacing and she preferred the greater emphasis on Usagi and Mamoru’s love story (she never read the manga so Crystal’s strengths stood out to her more I think)
I don't think Crystal is sexist at all. I think the senshi x shitenou could been better ,but having to me wasn't bad at all. This what Naoko kinda intended anyway. The group I mostly rave about is from tumbrl. Well Tumbr has all the bad people in any fanbase. as for female empowerment. I might get my head turned, but I personally don't think sailor moon is about female empowerment at all. I think its main thing is about Usagi . Her journey, and her life as a sailor gaurdian . I also have no problem with 90 s fans. It s just those that treat 90 s anime perfect, and just nitpick on crystal.(I mean really nitpick or say something that is just not true) The ones that also like there a better fan ,but that s for any fanbase .
 

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imaginationgirl said:
LifeGaveMeLemons said:
I’ve never seen anyone call Crystal fans misogynistic/homophobic (I’ve heard DiC fans called homophobic though) I myself have argued against Crystal’s sexism or at least failure in delivering female enpowerment (when you reduce the four Sailor guardians character development in the first arc to their relationships with the four kings) but I wouldn’t call fans of Crystal sexist or misogynistic anymore than I would accuse Eminem fans of misogyny


I don’t think Crystal is actively sending harmful messages or that it’s fans are bad. Hell, my sister who got me into Sailor Moon when it aired on USA Network prefers Crystal for its faster pacing and she preferred the greater emphasis on Usagi and Mamoru’s love story (she never read the manga so Crystal’s strengths stood out to her more I think)
I don't think Crystal is sexist at all. I think the senshi x shitenou could been better ,but having to me wasn't bad at all. This what Naoko kinda intended anyway. The group I mostly rave about is from tumbrl. Well Tumbr has all the bad people in any fanbase. as for female empowerment. I might get my head turned, but I personally don't think sailor moon is about female empowerment at all. I think its main thing is about Usagi . Her journey, and her life as a sailor gaurdian . I also have no problem with 90 s fans. It s just those that treat 90 s anime perfect, and just nitpick on crystal.(I mean really nitpick or say something that is just not true) The ones that also like there a better fan ,but that s for any fanbase .
I had thought Crystal was sexist (and kinda still do) but it was because I felt it wasn't living up to its theme song to me at all and it made them look terrible considering Tuxedo Mask did have to save her, but that's me. Frankly I think it's about three things, Sailor Moon is, about her journey and life as a Sailor, her friends' journeys and lives and female empowerment.
 

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SailorSpySedna said:
imaginationgirl said:
LifeGaveMeLemons said:
I’ve never seen anyone call Crystal fans misogynistic/homophobic (I’ve heard DiC fans called homophobic though) I myself have argued against Crystal’s sexism or at least failure in delivering female enpowerment (when you reduce the four Sailor guardians character development in the first arc to their relationships with the four kings) but I wouldn’t call fans of Crystal sexist or misogynistic anymore than I would accuse Eminem fans of misogyny


I don’t think Crystal is actively sending harmful messages or that it’s fans are bad. Hell, my sister who got me into Sailor Moon when it aired on USA Network prefers Crystal for its faster pacing and she preferred the greater emphasis on Usagi and Mamoru’s love story (she never read the manga so Crystal’s strengths stood out to her more I think)
I don't think Crystal is sexist at all. I think the senshi x shitenou could been better ,but having to me wasn't bad at all. This what Naoko kinda intended anyway. The group I mostly rave about is from tumbrl. Well Tumbr has all the bad people in any fanbase. as for female empowerment. I might get my head turned, but I personally don't think sailor moon is about female empowerment at all. I think its main thing is about Usagi . Her journey, and her life as a sailor gaurdian . I also have no problem with 90 s fans. It s just those that treat 90 s anime perfect, and just nitpick on crystal.(I mean really nitpick or say something that is just not true) The ones that also like there a better fan ,but that s for any fanbase .

I had thought Crystal was sexist (and kinda still do) but it was because I felt it wasn't living up to its theme song to me at all and it made them look terrible considering Tuxedo Mask did have to save her, but that's me. Frankly I think it's about three things, Sailor Moon is, about her journey and life as a Sailor, her friends' journeys and lives and female empowerment
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I don't see how being saved by Tuxedo Mask is sexist . She saved him as well.Its more like he saves her, and she saves him.Then again I don't have a problem with female characters getting saved by male characters in general.I think in my opinion in the 90 s anime is more about the girl's friendship. Why in the manga it was mostly about Usagi.It s not bad its just different version's focus on different things. Which is good cause it could appease all kind of fans.
 

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It was claimed "we are not helpless girls that need men's protection" but Usagi at times was made out to be helpless in Crystal, at one point Zoisite just grabbed her arm and that was enough for her to cry out for help from Mamoru, for one scene. Kinda understand what I'm talking about (sorry if I'm still not clear, but I do understand your points)? :(
 
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I recall at least one article noting the guardian senshi spent more time knocked out or in peril than they did kicking butt. Like they actually timed it. That’s one of the big arguments for Crystal being sexist.


And again the whole “let’s remove ALL the guardian senshi’s badass stuff in favor of relationship crap” who needs Mars burning Jadeite, Jupiter frying Nephrite, and Venus stabbing Beryl when we could focus on relationships?!?!?


I’m not saying expanding on the Senshi x Shinnentou pairing the manga only lightly suggested is bad but the Senshi’s own individual strengths shouldn’t have been sacrificed to do so.
 

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SailorSpySedna said:
It was claimed "we are not helpless girls that need men's protection" but Usagi at times was made out to be helpless in Crystal, at one point Zoisite just grabbed her arm and that was enough for her to cry out for help from Mamoru, for one scene. Kinda understand what I'm talking about (sorry if I'm still not clear, but I do understand your points)? :(
I think were looking to into a song . A song is just a song. Its not meant to be repersentation of the whole show . Its just meant to be a fun song ,but the lyrics are a little wonkey . Another transalatotiojn


(Ah, even girls have a kind of pride they cannot give up
It's to not give up their fates to their princes,
But to fight with their own volition

Shiny Make-up kagayaku yo hoshizora wo atsumete
Tada mamorareru dake no kayowai sonzai ja nai wa

Shiny Make-up, shine! Gather in the starry sky
I'm not a being so frail that I must only be protected

Kanashimi no nami ni yurare ikari no hi ni yakaretemo
Inazuma no you ni mabayuku toa no ai wo chikau
Tatoe ima wa hanarete itemo hitori ja nai yo ne?
Watashi tachi wo tsunagu Moonlight

Even if I'm shaken by a wave of sadness or burnt by a flame of anger
I'll swear a vow of eternal love, dazzlingly like a flash of lightning
Even if we are separated right now, you're not alone, you know?
The Moonlight connects us

Ah onnanoko ni wa muteki no buki ga aru
Sore wa yowasa ni yorisou manazashi to
Subete ukeireru tsuyosa

Ah, girls have some invincible weapons
They are a gentle gaze to embrace weakness
And strength to accept everyone

Shiny Make-up kirameku yo hoshizora ni idakarete
Toki wo koeta kizuna ga watashi ni yuuki wo kureru

Shiny make-up, sparkle! Embrace in the starry sky
Our bonds crossed over time and space to give us courage

Koishikute setsunakute nakitaku naru yo
Aitakute sabishikute kakedashi sou na haato
Kono hiroi uchuu de nando umarekawattemo
Anata ni koi wo suru

I want to cry passionately and painfully
My novice heart is lonely and wants to see you
No matter how many times I'm reborn in this vast universe
I will love you)

As for the Zoisite thing. To me she wanted help. All her friends were down, and there was nothing she could done . He was the only person she knows that could help.In the manga it was similar , except no asking for help. Than SailorVenus came. They really just add another more romantic moment . Still at the end they both got saved by Venus.
As for SXS thing I think its kinda silly to say it took away from the girls . Even without the SXS thing some scenes were still being cut . Crystal still has a development of the girls. Than again Crystal season one is more about the background. SXS was more about the background of the senshis . I do belive they should madee episode 12 a two parter. Than add more flash backs . Like /uI said I a agree S XScould been handle better.
 

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@imaginationgirl

The only thing I can do is respect your opinion, I didn't see any development from the girls at all. :blue:

@MementoNepenthe

Agreed, it's just horrifically written. If there's any anime that's sexist, that would be Virgin Fleet.