Why does it always has to be about the princess/ main heroine?

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MariaTenebre

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No, Princess Serenity doesn't have the goofy personality at all. She was good at things like dance, she never showed much care to other ppl as well. Other than their love to Mamoru they are quite different.

She could go to ask for it. Chibiusa was a child and still helped in the fight a lot. So was Chibiusa, despite being so immature, she was still able to help and wanted to help her mother.
She did have a goofy personality. She showed serious sides in the anime but also had that goofy crybaby side like her being mischievious in sneaking to the Earth and shirking her studies in the manga. So yes they are the same person with the same personalities.

Also what would that do. The main reason Chibiusa was able to help in the final battle of R is because she had the Silver Crystal of the future. Princess Serenity had no access to any other Silver Crystal or source of power so I am not sure what you expect her to do. Also why would she be more able to use it at that time in comparison to her Mother who had been using it for all this time? Which none the less in both the manga, Crystal and the 90s anime Usagi and Princess Serenity are the same person with the same personality. The only reason we don't see this goofy and silly side of Princess Serenity as shown in the manga is because the only scenes we see of Princess Serenity in the Silver Millennium are during serious and dire scenes.
 

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She did have a goofy personality. She showed serious sides in the anime but also had that goofy crybaby side like her being mischievious in sneaking to the Earth and shirking her studies in the manga. So yes they are the same person with the same personalities.

Also what would that do. The main reason Chibiusa was able to help in the final battle of R is because she had the Silver Crystal of the future. Princess Serenity had no access to any other Silver Crystal or source of power so I am not sure what you expect her to do. Also why would she be more able to use it at that time in comparison to her Mother who had been using it for all this time? Which none the less in both the manga, Crystal and the 90s anime Usagi and Princess Serenity are the same person with the same personality. The only reason we don't see this goofy and silly side of Princess Serenity as shown in the manga is because the only scenes we see of Princess Serenity in the Silver Millennium are during serious and dire scenes.
Manga and anime are different canon, I don't think we should mix them up at all. Also in the anime it stated she was a good dancer and skater, that's a lot different than Usagi.

Chibiusa went to help long before that, she was sent back as child, only got Luna P with her but still tried her best, while being a bit silly since she's a kid. I don't see how Princess Serenity even tried to do anything other than stick with her lover till the last moment, when Beryl lead her army to march on the palace.

Let's say if Usagi doesn't have the Silver Crystal, will she just stick with her lover and see ppl die without doing anything to fight evil?
 

MariaTenebre

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Manga and anime are different canon, I don't think we should mix them up at all. Also in the anime it stated she was a good dancer and skater, that's a lot different than Usagi.

Chibiusa went to help long before that, she was sent back as child, only got Luna P with her but still tried her best, while being a bit silly since she's a kid. I don't see how Princess Serenity even tried to do anything other than stick with her lover till the last moment, when Beryl lead her army to march on the palace.

Let's say if Usagi doesn't have the Silver Crystal, will she just stick with her lover and see ppl die without doing anything to fight evil?
It isn't different. Princess Serenity was just exposed to do more dancing and skating then Usagi. In fact on said episode where the Senshi deal with Janelyn and Misha even though Usagi struggles to skate at first she eventually performs an exceedingly complicated skating move showing she definitely has the potential to be a great skater.

Also with Chibiusa before she became a Sailor Senshi she really didn't have alot of fighting skills and really couldn't do much. In R in the 90s anime and the Black Moon Clan arc of the manga she mostly had to be guarded and protected by Sailor Moon, The Inners and Tuxedo Mask. She did not have very much in the way of fighting ability.

Likewise Princess Serenity at the time seemed like she didn't have very much combat training. Again she was not Sailor Moon at the time nor did she have the Silver Crystal so I don't see how you just expect her to star kicking rear and taking names with the Dark Kingdom back then.
 

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It isn't different. Princess Serenity was just exposed to do more dancing and skating then Usagi (in the anime, not the manga) . In fact on said episode where the Senshi deal with Janelyn and Misha even though Usagi struggles to skate at first she eventually performs an exceedingly complicated skating move showing she definitely has the potential to be a great skater ...anime only.
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Slowpokeking

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It isn't different. Princess Serenity was just exposed to do more dancing and skating then Usagi. In fact on said episode where the Senshi deal with Janelyn and Misha even though Usagi struggles to skate at first she eventually performs an exceedingly complicated skating move showing she definitely has the potential to be a great skater.

Also with Chibiusa before she became a Sailor Senshi she really didn't have alot of fighting skills and really couldn't do much. In R in the 90s anime and the Black Moon Clan arc of the manga she mostly had to be guarded and protected by Sailor Moon, The Inners and Tuxedo Mask. She did not have very much in the way of fighting ability.

Likewise Princess Serenity at the time seemed like she didn't have very much combat training. Again she was not Sailor Moon at the time nor did she have the Silver Crystal so I don't see how you just expect her to star kicking rear and taking names with the Dark Kingdom back then.
Not likely, those "tests" they performed all shows that they are trying to find someone not as goofy as Princess Serenity.

Chibiusa only transformed in the end of R, before that she did try so hard with her own way to help saving her mother. Usagi once tried to protect Chibiusa without transforming to Sailor Moon as well. We are not talking about fighting power, but the will to protect and help. We don't see any of those from Princess Serenity. All she cares was her lover and stick with him. Especially as the princess, she could try to reason with earth and not let them being swayed by Beryl/Metalia.
 
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MariaTenebre

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Not likely, those "tests" they performed all shows that they are trying to find someone not as goofy as Princess Serenity.

Chibiusa only transformed in the end of R, before that she did try so hard with her own way to help saving her mother. Usagi once tried to protect Chibiusa without transforming to Sailor Moon as well. We are not talking about fighting power, but the will to protect and help. We don't see any of those from Princess Serenity. All she cares was her lover and stick with him. Especially as the princess, she could try to reason with earth and not let them being swayed by Beryl/Metalia.
She did have the same personality in the Silver Millennium as Princess Serenity and was the same person. Also she could still be as goofy but due to her upbrining be more skilled at things like dancing, skating etc. After all on that very skating episode Usagi showed a potential to be a good skater. Likewise the Dark Kingdom themselves didn't have their full memories of the past of the Silver Millennium and Golden Kingdom. They probably have some of them but they don't have the full scope of memories of their past atleast from what I have seen.

Also Chibiusa did try and help her mother but also she had her Silver Crystal of the future. Princess Serenity had none of that. Also she did love her mother and the Inners but again she had no fighting skills. Even your argument of Usagi protecting Chibiusa when not transformed dosen't hold weight because again Usagi had been fighting as Sailor Moon and gaining skills to do so before R. In fact when Usagi at first awoken at Sailor Moon she wasn't a good fighter at all as was quite cowardly. To be honest even in the manga Minako when awoken as Sailor V while have problems handled this better then Usagi did and plus Minako unlike Usagi is more athletic being a volleyball player and there is good evidence she knows martial arts like Savate. Princess Serenity on the other hand had no fighting skills really much less any Silver Crystal to aid her so again I don't know why you all of a sudden expect her to get into the battle and fight like some Amazon or Mage.
 

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She did have the same personality in the Silver Millennium as Princess Serenity and was the same person. Also she could still be as goofy but due to her upbrining be more skilled at things like dancing, skating etc. After all on that very skating episode Usagi showed a potential to be a good skater. Likewise the Dark Kingdom themselves didn't have their full memories of the past of the Silver Millennium and Golden Kingdom. They probably have some of them but they don't have the full scope of memories of their past atleast from what I have seen.

Also Chibiusa did try and help her mother but also she had her Silver Crystal of the future. Princess Serenity had none of that. Also she did love her mother and the Inners but again she had no fighting skills. Even your argument of Usagi protecting Chibiusa when not transformed dosen't hold weight because again Usagi had been fighting as Sailor Moon and gaining skills to do so before R. In fact when Usagi at first awoken at Sailor Moon she wasn't a good fighter at all as was quite cowardly. To be honest even in the manga Minako when awoken as Sailor V while have problems handled this better then Usagi did and plus Minako unlike Usagi is more athletic being a volleyball player and there is good evidence she knows martial arts like Savate. Princess Serenity on the other hand had no fighting skills really much less any Silver Crystal to aid her so again I don't know why you all of a sudden expect her to get into the battle and fight like some Amazon or Mage.
Not likely. You can see all the tries Kunzite and Endyimon, they obviously wasn't looking for someone so goofy. If she was, Usagi would have been the first one to be noticed and picked up. They actually knew Sailor Moon was goofy in that dance episode.

Chibiusa tried a lot even without the crystal on her hand. Sailor Moon was goofy at first but she still tried to fight monsters. It's not about how good can she fight, but the will to do it. Princess Serenity didn't try anything to resolve the problem.
 

MariaTenebre

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Not likely. You can see all the tries Kunzite and Endyimon, they obviously wasn't looking for someone so goofy. If she was, Usagi would have been the first one to be noticed and picked up. They actually knew Sailor Moon was goofy in that dance episode.

Chibiusa tried a lot even without the crystal on her hand. Sailor Moon was goofy at first but she still tried to fight monsters. It's not about how good can she fight, but the will to do it. Princess Serenity didn't try anything to resolve the problem.
Again as I said before I do not believe that the Dark Kingdom had their full memories back of the past in the Silver Millennium and Golden Kingdom and also while back then Usagi as Princess Serenity might have been more skilled at things like dancing etc and certain systems of etiquette she still had her more goofy and flighty personality and was the same person as Usagi. Even with Neo Queen Serenty Usagi at that time seems to mature more to the level of when she was Princess Serenity in the past all though she still retains her quentessential Usagi goofyness.

Yes and Chibiusa running off and trying to deal with the enemies when she at that point didn't have the ability to fight got her in trouble and almost kidnapped by the Black Moon Clan many times. Also Sailor Moon did try to fight the enemies but she also had the ability to fight. As Sailor Moon she had more of an ability to fight as a warrior where as during the Silver Millennium Princess Serenity didn't. Also how could she "resolve the problem?" She can't fight so again I don't know why you just expect her to go and fight like an amazon and at that point there was no resolving of the problem. Queen Metalia desired the Silver Crystal so she could gain the power of universal destruction that all Chaos Spawn wanted. Beryl at this point was warped by Metalia due to her unrequited love of Prince Endymion and hatred of Princess Serenity so she at this point obviously wouldn't listen to her.
 

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Again as I said before I do not believe that the Dark Kingdom had their full memories back of the past in the Silver Millennium and Golden Kingdom and also while back then Usagi as Princess Serenity might have been more skilled at things like dancing etc and certain systems of etiquette she still had her more goofy and flighty personality and was the same person as Usagi. Even with Neo Queen Serenty Usagi at that time seems to mature more to the level of when she was Princess Serenity in the past all though she still retains her quentessential Usagi goofyness.

Yes and Chibiusa running off and trying to deal with the enemies when she at that point didn't have the ability to fight got her in trouble and almost kidnapped by the Black Moon Clan many times. Also Sailor Moon did try to fight the enemies but she also had the ability to fight. As Sailor Moon she had more of an ability to fight as a warrior where as during the Silver Millennium Princess Serenity didn't. Also how could she "resolve the problem?" She can't fight so again I don't know why you just expect her to go and fight like an amazon and at that point there was no resolving of the problem. Queen Metalia desired the Silver Crystal so she could gain the power of universal destruction that all Chaos Spawn wanted. Beryl at this point was warped by Metalia due to her unrequited love of Prince Endymion and hatred of Princess Serenity so she at this point obviously wouldn't listen to her.
Then there is little space to talk about, from what we got, anime Serenity acts entirely different than Usagi.


As the princess she could try to help her mother to contact the Earth leader and become aware of the situation and stop Beryl from brainwash ppl. She could try to find her senshi power as well.
 

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Anime Serenity had 5 minutes of screen time. Manga Serenity is the same as manga Usagi.
But the anime also showed many evidence that they are different characters. Especially the Kunzite arc was all about finding the princess.

In both she did nothing against Beryl and Metalia, which caused the Moon Kingdom's destruction. But Usagi was able to overcome so many menace. I even suspected that Queen Serenity knew the future and figured out it's the only way to protect the world.
 
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Then there is little space to talk about, from what we got, anime Serenity acts entirely different than Usagi.


As the princess she could try to help her mother to contact the Earth leader and become aware of the situation and stop Beryl from brainwash ppl. She could try to find her senshi power as well.
They do not act like different characters. Usagi in serious moments acts no different then Princess Serenity does. Again as I said before the Dark Kingdom didn't get their full memories back in the 90s anime as far as I knew about the past Silver Millennium and Golden Kingdom and besides pretty much all of the Dark Kingdom were former members of the Earth Kingdom so it is not like they would have gotten alot of time to spend with the Princess in the past anyway. They might have put forth those schemes of finding the Princess by what they think she was as opposed to who she actually was.

Also how do you honestly expect Princess Serenity before the Dark KIngdom attacks to find the Earth Leader and stop Beryl from brainwashing people? For one at that point with what Endymion told her Beryl all ready took over and brainwashed the humans and most likely killed the Earth Leader that is if Prince Endymion wasn't all ready the Sovereign of the Golden Kingdom.

So again I don't know why you expect Princess Serenity who had no skills in combat and at that time had no real power over Earth to convince the "Earth Leader" to fight against Beryl. Also if that is the case why couldn't her mother Queen Serenity do it? She had the Silver Crystal and was the Queen of the Silver Millennium? Plus how do you know that said Earth Leader if the Earth Leader wasn't Prince Endymion didn't all ready side with Beryl or wasn't killed by her?

Again by the time that Endymion told her about the impending attack on the Earth Kingdom the attack was all ready happening so there was nothing that she could do to prevent it. The Dark Kingdom all ready conquered Earth. So again I don't know why you think that Princess Serenity had some magical ability to prevent the entire attack like some fictional Mary Sue.
 
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They do not act like different characters. Usagi in serious moments acts no different then Princess Serenity does. Again as I said before the Dark Kingdom didn't get their full memories back in the 90s anime as far as I knew about the past Silver Millennium and Golden Kingdom and besides pretty much all of the Dark Kingdom were former members of the Earth Kingdom so it is not like they would have gotten alot of time to spend with the Princess in the past anyway. They might have put forth those schemes of finding the Princess by what they think she was as opposed to who she actually was.

Also how do you honestly expect Princess Serenity before the Dark KIngdom attacks to find the Earth Leader and stop Beryl from brainwashing people? For one at that point with what Endymion told her Beryl all ready took over and brainwashed the humans and most likely killed the Earth Leader that is if Prince Endymion wasn't all ready the Sovereign of the Golden Kingdom.

So again I don't know why you expect Princess Serenity who had no skills in combat and at that time had no real power over Earth to convince the "Earth Leader" to fight against Beryl. Also if that is the case why couldn't her mother Queen Serenity do it? She had the Silver Crystal and was the Queen of the Silver Millennium? Plus how do you know that said Earth Leader if the Earth Leader wasn't Prince Endymion didn't all ready side with Beryl or wasn't killed by her?

Again by the time that Endymion told her about the impending attack on the Earth Kingdom the attack was all ready happening so there was nothing that she could do to prevent it. The Dark Kingdom all ready conquered Earth. So again I don't know why you think that Princess Serenity had some magical ability to prevent the entire attack like some fictional Mary Sue.
Usagi was willing to fight Queen Beryl, willing to destroy Metallia when others are dead. She even refused to kiss Mamoru because of the Inner Four.

Princess Serenity, was all about "MY PRINCE" and didn't do a thing to fight the evil.

How are they "no different"?

Yeah but that didn't happen before a while ago, she was with Endiymon for so long, and as the princess of the kingdom, she was entirely unaware of the situation? That's just terrible for the heir of the kingdom.

She got her senshi power to awake, she could use the Silver Crystal, she was the heir of the kingdom and she did nothing to protect her ppl but wasted all of her time with her prince, I don't see that's similar to Usagi at all.

Imagine if Usagi got no power but knew the situation, would she just stay back to have romance instead of trying to help and support the Inner Four?
 
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Usagi was willing to fight Queen Beryl, willing to destroy Metallia when others are dead. She even refused to kiss Mamoru because of the Inner Four.

Princess Serenity, was all about "MY PRINCE" and didn't do a thing to fight the evil.

How are they "no different"?

Yeah but that didn't happen before a while ago, she was with Endiymon for so long, and as the princess of the kingdom, she was entirely unaware of the situation? That's just terrible for the heir of the kingdom.

She got her senshi power to awake, she could use the Silver Crystal, she was the heir of the kingdom and she did nothing to protect her ppl but wasted all of her time with her prince, I don't see that's similar to Usagi at all.

Imagine if Usagi got no power but knew the situation, would she just stay back to have romance instead of trying to help and support the Inner Four?
Nobody has ever confirmed the princess as havingvsenshi powers at that time. Actually it looks quite the episode as Beryl almost killed her in the manga.
 
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Nobody has ever confirmed the princess as havingvsenshi powers at that time. Actually it looks quite the episode as Beryl almost killed her in the manga.
That was not my main point. Yeah she mostly didn't have her power, but why didn't she try to awake it, or try to do something to help earth as the heir? Even if Usagi got no power, she would not just stay back with Mamoru to watch the Inner Four fight.