Why I HATE Stars Ending SO MUCH

[MariaTenebre]

But the way it was presented was not relieved enough. She didn't make any sacrifice.

Nehellenia's ppl were nobody and they were only introduced in that scene. The senshi were all around there and loved by the audience.

After killing them with such cruelty, the audience all wanted to see Galaxia suffer a bad defeat, or atone for her crime with some heavy price. Even Nehelllenia was defeated and turned into old woman in the end of SS.

I'm not saying was Galaxia innocent or not, but the way the whole thing was presented was awful. We don't care about who defeated Chaos, we need Chaos' influence to be shown in the process to let ppl blame him not Galaxia if you don't plan to make Galaxia the one to take responsibility.

She did though. She sacrificed herself to seal Chaos away but when Chaos proved too powerful in the end Sailor Moon exorcised Sailor Chaos from her. Also why does that matter. Nehellenia's people were her own servants that she willingly devoured. Sailor Galaxia was at best driven insane and manipulated by Sailor Chaos. Once more she does bring back all of the Inners, Outers and Tuxedo Mask in the end and promises to return all of the Star Seeds of the other Sailor Senshi she killed so I imagine she will restore the Animamates to their true Good Senshi forms. I see no logical reason why Sailor Galaxia should suffer a bad defeat or a heavy price. In fact if anything again this was more warranted for Nehellenia. Why does it not matter that all of the people she consumed were "nobodies" they were all members of her kingdom. In fact I would argue that what Nehellenia did was far worse then what Sailor Galaxia did and her Kingdom was only brought back due to Sailor Moon, Tuxedo Mask, Sailor Chibi Moon along with the Inners and Outers as opposed to anything she did or could do. Sailor Galaxia however attoned by herself and in her own power. I by no means think or wanted to see Sailor Galaxia suffer a bad defeat or "atone with a heavy price" and I think that the idea of anyone wanting that is silly and makes no logical sense.

Also Chaos's influence was shown. Chaos was mentioned to have been sealed away and it was shown that the reason for Sailor Galaxia's corruption was due to Chaos's influence and besides the whole thing of Sailor Galaxia being the Legendary Soldier and Chaos being sealed inside her was supposed to be a twist ending.

 

[Slowpokeking]

She did though. She sacrificed herself to seal Chaos away but when Chaos proved too powerful in the end Sailor Moon exorcised Sailor Chaos from her. Also why does that matter. Nehellenia's people were her own servants that she willingly devoured. Sailor Galaxia was at best driven insane and manipulated by Sailor Chaos. Once more she does bring back all of the Inners, Outers and Tuxedo Mask in the end and promises to return all of the Star Seeds of the other Sailor Senshi she killed so I imagine she will restore the Animamates to their true Good Senshi forms. I see no logical reason why Sailor Galaxia should suffer a bad defeat or a heavy price. In fact if anything again this was more warranted for Nehellenia. Why does it not matter that all of the people she consumed were "nobodies" they were all members of her kingdom.

It has nothing to do with her modern day's killing.

Nehellenia's ppl were nobody to the audience, they have little personality and popularity, like only very little screentime. It's very hard for ppl to feel really bad for them that much. When they were restored, then everything is fine.


The senshi were different, they were all around regular cast, loved by so many ppl. The Inner's death in the first season shocked so many ppl because we love them.

If someone kills them, of course their supporters would want the foe to pay heavily, just like the DD girls and Eudial. Till today I still feel that way.

Again I think it is ridiculous how people think that Sailor Galaxia deserves a "beat down" when it wasn't her fault.

Because it was shown that way.

In fact I would argue that what Nehellenia did was far worse then what Sailor Galaxia did and her Kingdom was only brought back due to Sailor Moon, Tuxedo Mask, Sailor Chibi Moon along with the Inners and Outers as opposed to anything she did or could do. Sailor Galaxia however attoned by herself and in her own power. I by no means think or wanted to see Sailor Galaxia suffer a bad defeat or "atone with a heavy price" and I think that the idea of anyone wanting that is silly and makes no logical sense.

Also Chaos's influence was shown. Chaos was mentioned to have been sealed away and it was shown that the reason for Sailor Galaxia's corruption was due to Chaos's influence and besides the whole thing of Sailor Galaxia being the Legendary Soldier and Chaos being sealed inside her was supposed to be a twist ending.

Chaos was only mentioned, without much clear influence shown until the last moment. He wasn't a real "character" in ppl's eyes, so it's impossible to switch the anger to him.

If you want to let the audience blame him, you need to make it clear like showing Galaxia being possessed in the beginning, or showing Galaxia's true personality much much earlier, to show her struggle, that's how you handle a plot.

I've mentioned Bucky the Winter Soldier before. He was shown to be Steve's good pal, suffered such brainwash, Hydra was also seen as a main threat. Yet still many ppl feel angry when the scene of him killing Tony's parents were shown, and side with Tony.

Imagine if we had none of this setup, having him killing important characters, then reveal that he was good in the last moment, how much ppl would even feel bad for him?

It's very important to understand that you can't just write something good or bad, you need to let the audience feel it. Somtimes killing a thousand ppl doesn't shock as much as killing one.

Again I'm not arguing about is she evil or is Nehellenia much worse, but about how it was presented.

 

[sailormoongalaxy]

Chaos was only mentioned, without much clear influence shown until the last moment. He wasn't a real "character" in ppl's eyes, so it's impossible to switch the anger to him.

If you want to let the audience blame him, you need to make it clear like showing Galaxia being possessed in the beginning, or showing Galaxia's true personality much much earlier, to show her struggle, that's how you handle a plot.

I've mentioned Bucky the Winter Soldier before. He was shown to be Steve's good pal, suffered such brainwash, Hydra was also seen as a main threat. Yet still many ppl feel angry when the scene of him killing Tony's parents were shown, and side with Tony.

Imagine if we had none of this setup, having him killing important characters, then reveal that he was good in the last moment, how much ppl would even feel bad for him?

It's very important to understand that you can't just write something good or bad, you need to let the audience feel it. Somtimes killing a thousand ppl doesn't shock as much as killing one.

Again I'm not arguing about is she evil or is Nehellenia much worse, but about how it was presented.

On the contrary, the twist is well brought up. I prefer that we have a twist like this, what to say from the start, that she is bad because she is under the yoke of Chaos.

Because when the Starlights, Moon, learn that she is the legendary warrior and at the same time that it is she who sealed Chaos, well we are the same as them, shocked!
With me, I loved this twist, find out at the end, the truth.

 

[Slowpokeking]

On the contrary, the twist is well brought up. I prefer that we have a twist like this, what to say from the start, that she is bad because she is under the yoke of Chaos.

Because when the Starlights, Moon, learn that she is the legendary warrior and at the same time that it is she who sealed Chaos, well we are the same as them, shocked!
With me, I loved this twist, find out at the end, the truth.

If you prefer such twist, then you shouldn't let her kill off the senshi, or let her minions do the job.

Otherwise the problem is here.

 

[yaya_ikuto]

mh i dont know why galaxia purification is a hand holding or a shake of hands is better if they use the silver crystal, or maybe the star seed from the senshi give power to sailor moon but well to make it more iconic i think some silver crystal power, or the star seed from galaxia give usagi power up than a sword

 

[sailormoongalaxy]

mh i dont know why galaxia purification is a hand holding or a shake of hands is better if they use the silver crystal, or maybe the star seed from the senshi give power to sailor moon but well to make it more iconic i think some silver crystal power, or the star seed from galaxia give usagi power up than a sword

The moment the sword is broken, Galaxia's star seed is dead. It is simply the power of the silver crystal and the locked-in Galaxia's will that makes this miracle exist.

 

[Tsundereshipper]

We did actually see some conflicts with her in the end especially when Sailor Tin Nyanko sees her unclothed. However I personally like Sailor Galaxia's 90s anime story much more then the manga story where she was just an emo rage child. I liked the idea of her being a strong and valiant soldier whos sacrificed herself to seal Chaos inside her to end the Sailor Wars. Plus I like the inclusion of the Sailor Wars. I honestly don't think the Sailor Wars of the past existed in the manga and as such I much like Sailor Galaxia's story in the 90s anime as opposed to what we got in the manga.

If all you got out of Manga!Galaxia was “emo rage child” then you seriously missed the point. I suggest reading the Stars arc again cause she’s so much more than that, or just read my in-depth analysis I did of her in this thread:

Do you think villains got redeemed too much sometimes?

Also the manga did have something of a Sailor Wars, even though it wasn’t titled as such. Galaxia, a Senshi, was going around the Milkyway fighting and murdering every Senshi she came across, or recruiting Senshi to her cause and having them fight other Senshi for her. (See Lethe and Mnemosyne)

Also again Sailor Galaxia wasn't responsible for her actions. It was Chaos warping her so she dosen't deserve a "hard beatdown." That is just silly. Likewise Chaos was very much a character in the 90s anime. Sailor Galaxia sealed Chaos away inside of her and when Sailor Galaxia's Golden Bracelets broke that was Chaos that took her over and from that point on until Chaos was exorcised from Sailor Galaxia that was Chaos battling Sailor Moon. That is why that form was even called Chaos Galaxia.

Again I think it is ridiculous how people think that Sailor Galaxia deserves a "beat down" when it wasn't her fault.

No one’s trying to argue that anime Galaxia is responsible for her actions and deserves “a beat-down.” Just the possession explanation itself wasn’t thought out and felt like such a cop out. All previous villains up to that point who got redeemed were evil, but that’s precisely what made their redemption so meaningful in the first place, because they learned from it.

Meanwhile Galaxia’s incredibly heinous actions were just waved away as “PSYCHE! It wasn’t really her all along, she’s actually a good guy guys, trust me!” Even though we knew nothing about her beforehand and hadn’t heard of her good deeds until like the last few episodes, it feels jarring because it is.

(And yes, it was an obvious last minute asspull cause they were clearly going to introduce Sailor Cosmos someway in the anime what with that silhouette of hers Usagi saw, but backed out at the last minute and cooked up some lame excuse on how Chibi-Chibi was actually Galaxia’s Star Seed who was “the Legendary Senshi all along” even though it doesn’t make a lick of sense.

I'll take Galaxia being an ancient Sailor Senshi who once saved the world in the 90's anime over her being someone who was jealous of how awesome and strong Usagi is in the manga. The latter felt like a watered down version of anime!Nehelenia.

At least Manga Galaxia actually had a personality and we know stuff about her unlike 90’a anime Galaxia who’s just a glorified plot device.

And Anime Galaxia admires Usagi all the same and admits she surpassed her, so what’s even the difference? (It’s actually even more ridiculous in the 90’s anime since at least in the Manga Galaxia started from nothing whereas in the 90’s she has the self-proclaimed title as “Strongest and most Pure-Hearted Senshi in the Galaxy”)

On the contrary, the twist is well brought up. I prefer that we have a twist like this, what to say from the start, that she is bad because she is under the yoke of Chaos.

Because when the Starlights, Moon, learn that she is the legendary warrior and at the same time that it is she who sealed Chaos, well we are the same as them, shocked!
With me, I loved this twist, find out at the end, the truth.

A twist just for the sake of there being a twist and for shock value doesn’t suddenly make it good writing. The twist first has to have proper set-up beforehand and actually make sense, otherwise it just comes off as contrived.

 

[Seen2]

If all you got out of Manga!Galaxia was “emo rage child” then you seriously missed the point. I suggest reading the Stars arc again cause she’s so much more than that, or just read my in-depth analysis I did of her in this thread:

Do you think villains got redeemed too much sometimes?

You think Galaxia is some girlboss who's fighting the Star Seed system by committing galactic genocide? I think her backstory is interesting too, but the analysis as a whole is a reach imo.

No one’s trying to argue that anime Galaxia is responsible for her actions and deserves “a beat-down.” Just the possession explanation itself wasn’t thought out and felt like such a cop out. All previous villains up to that point who got redeemed were evil, but that’s precisely what made their redemption so meaningful in the first place, because they learned from it.

She didn't learn anything besides realizing there's always a future and seeing just how optimistic Usagi is. Is that bad? No. But it's not like she ever showed a bit of regret for her actions (not that there was any room for it in the few panels it happened in).

Meanwhile Galaxia’s incredibly heinous actions were just waved away as “PSYCHE! It wasn’t really her all along, she’s actually a good guy guys, trust me!” Even though we knew nothing about her beforehand and hadn’t heard of her good deeds until like the last few episodes, it feels jarring because it is.

(And yes, it was an obvious last minute asspull cause they were clearly going to introduce Sailor Cosmos someway in the anime what with that silhouette of hers Usagi saw, but backed out at the last minute and cooked up some lame excuse on how Chibi-Chibi was actually Galaxia’s Star Seed who was “the Legendary Senshi all along” even though it doesn’t make a lick of sense.

They made it pretty clear she had something else going on in several scenes even before episode 194 spelled it out.

Also, how is it an asspull to not have Chibi Chibi be Sailor Cosmos? She shares the same design in her shillouette, but nothing else in the 90's anime remotely implied she was Usagi from the distant future.

ALSO also, you think it's an asspull that she was possessed, something that was set up earlier, but you're totally fine with the manga having Chaos, and, retroactively, and all the other final bosses of the series not actually being evil and just lonely?

At least Manga Galaxia actually had a personality and we know stuff about her unlike 90’a anime Galaxia who’s just a glorified plot device.

She's exactly the same except in the manga she has a different backstory and is obsessed with Usagi. She still destroys stuff, kills people, laughs about it, and acts serious and somber from time to time. Her role in the story is different, but her behavior really isn't.

And Anime Galaxia admires Usagi all the same and admits she surpassed her, so what’s even the difference?

Because she admires Usagi for coming to a better solution for dealing with Chaos than she did. That's nothing like being jealous of someone.

...and most Pure-Hearted Senshi in the Galaxy”)

Did you get this from a bad batch of fansubs or something?

A twist just for the sake of there being a twist and for shock value doesn’t suddenly make it good writing. The twist first has to have proper set-up beforehand and actually make sense, otherwise it just comes off as contrived.

It was set up.

 

[Slowpokeking]

It was set up.

Setup of "there might be something behind Galaxia?" Yes
Setup of "Let the audience feel relieved and ok with her murdering all the senshi?" NO.

As for the manga, the setup wasn't so good, but the conclusion was big bang, sure.

 

[Zhortac]

I kinda agree, especially with the fact the anime kept the fact she had killed all live in their universe, save for her and Sailor Moon (and for some reason, not killing the Starlights...).
The manga has more reason to feel for her, since she's pretty much watching helplessly while her body is doing everything, and she wanted to actually die because of it.
Then again, if Toei had any idea wtf they were doing with anything, they wouldn't have a mountain of disappointment over the decades...

 

[MariaTenebre]

It has nothing to do with her modern day's killing.

Nehellenia's ppl were nobody to the audience, they have little personality and popularity, like only very little screentime. It's very hard for ppl to feel really bad for them that much. When they were restored, then everything is fine.


The senshi were different, they were all around regular cast, loved by so many ppl. The Inner's death in the first season shocked so many ppl because we love them.

If someone kills them, of course their supporters would want the foe to pay heavily, just like the DD girls and Eudial. Till today I still feel that way.




Because it was shown that way.



Chaos was only mentioned, without much clear influence shown until the last moment. He wasn't a real "character" in ppl's eyes, so it's impossible to switch the anger to him.

If you want to let the audience blame him, you need to make it clear like showing Galaxia being possessed in the beginning, or showing Galaxia's true personality much much earlier, to show her struggle, that's how you handle a plot.

I've mentioned Bucky the Winter Soldier before. He was shown to be Steve's good pal, suffered such brainwash, Hydra was also seen as a main threat. Yet still many ppl feel angry when the scene of him killing Tony's parents were shown, and side with Tony.

Imagine if we had none of this setup, having him killing important characters, then reveal that he was good in the last moment, how much ppl would even feel bad for him?

It's very important to understand that you can't just write something good or bad, you need to let the audience feel it. Somtimes killing a thousand ppl doesn't shock as much as killing one.

Again I'm not arguing about is she evil or is Nehellenia much worse, but about how it was presented.

And that matters? Just because they were no one to the audience dosen't mean their killings weren't awful. In fact it is even worse because these people were HER subjects. Also Elizabeth Bathory is by no means modern.

Also the difference is the D.D. Girls and Eudial did what they did of their own free will where as Sailor Galaxia was possessed and it was forshadowed that she was the legendary soldier that sealed Chaos away and unlike Eudial and the D.D. Girls Sailor Galaxia when she was cleansed of Chaos made up for the past by returning the lives she stole.

It makes no logical sense for people to want Sailor Galaxia to "pay" for her crimes since she wasn't even responsible and I would feel the same for Bucky. Also I would regard Chaos as a Feminine Deity not a masculine one.

 

[Slowpokeking]

And that matters? Just because they were no one to the audience dosen't mean their killings weren't awful. In fact it is even worse because these people were HER subjects. Also Elizabeth Bathory is by no means modern.

Of course it matters, the audience are not gonna feel bad for them as much as the beloved senshi, it's how human being works. It's totally different to kill a beloved popular character and some random nobody.
Imagine the DD girls killed 4 random cameo characters, is it going to shock ppl as much as they did to the Inners? No.
Is it the same when Eudial killed Michiru and she/others killing random ppl for their Pure Heart? No.

Also the difference is the D.D. Girls and Eudial did what they did of their own free will where as Sailor Galaxia was possessed and it was forshadowed that she was the legendary soldier that sealed Chaos away and unlike Eudial and the D.D. Girls Sailor Galaxia when she was cleansed of Chaos made up for the past by returning the lives she stole.

Again Chaos was not shown well, all we saw is Galaxia there. There were some hints but it was wayy too little to establish Chaos as a real character or menace. How is the audience gonna switch their anger?

Like I said, if in MCU we only got little hints about HYDRA and saw Bucky killing many important character, will the audience say "hi it's ok" ? No, even after showing so much, quite a few ppl still side with Tony. And to be fair many of us would do the same have we been in such position.

To let the audience accept it, either not let Galaxia do it, or show the presence of Chaos much earlier and obvious.

It makes no logical sense for people to want Sailor Galaxia to "pay" for her crimes since she wasn't even responsible and I would feel the same for Bucky. Also I would regard Chaos as a Feminine Deity not a masculine one.

There is sense: You don't just state things, you need to present it well to the audience to make it acceptable.

Winter Soldier is a good example yet still many ppl think the same as Tony.

Human beings are like that. And that's why storytellers cannot just base the plot on facts. You simply say "he killed millions" is powerless compare to showing a good beloved character get killed. This is the magic of storytelling, you could even show a villain being beloved if you focus on his good side and put his crime offscreen.

 

[SM458]

Stars could have been written better. I think the writers where not defined on what they wanted to characters to interact with Galaxia and at the same time were unsure of what exactly how to execute the character of Galaxia.

 

[Tsundereshipper]

She didn't learn anything besides realizing there's always a future and seeing just how optimistic Usagi is. Is that bad? No. But it's not like she ever showed a bit of regret for her actions (not that there was any room for it in the few panels it happened in).

Manga!Galaxia doesn't have to show outright regret over her actions or be redeemed in order to count as a good villain or character. What makes her compelling is that she's one of the few villains in the manga who has shades of grey about her. Meanwhile, when you compare 90's anime Galaxia to all the villains that came before her (I was only comparing her to her predecessors in the anime by the way) it falls flat because she's portrayed as just a completely good person possessed by the ultimate nebulous evil with none of that grey complexity Manga!Galaxia has going on. Now granted, 90's anime Tomoe was the same, but why I feel it worked better for him than Galaxia is because we got to see more of his true self shine through along with his interactions with Hotaru that served to humanize him, plus we get to spend more time with his unpossessed form whereas with Galaxia we literally only get like a minute max with her unpossessed form, most of what we know about the true Galaxia is told to us through legends and stories, we never actually get to see her in action like we do Tomoe.

Also, how is it an asspull to not have Chibi Chibi be Sailor Cosmos? She shares the same design in her shillouette, but nothing else in the 90's anime remotely implied she was Usagi from the distant future.

Just the concept of this little tiny toddler be the physical manifestation of a Star Seed is just so stupid and makes no sense. Unless they were trying to go for "Galaxia's inner child represents the light of hope because children are naturally innocent and hopeful" angle? It still doesn't explain why Chibi-Chibi has a similar hairstyle to the White Moon family if she's supposed to be completely unrelated to Usagi. Her whole design was originally conceived to be related to Usagi in the first place, Cosmos or not, hence the similar hairstyle, so it feels jarring in the 90's when she's not.

ALSO also, you think it's an asspull that she was possessed, something that was set up earlier, but you're totally fine with the manga having Chaos, and, retroactively, and all the other final bosses of the series not actually being evil and just lonely?

They're not just lonely, you misinterpreted. Usagi was making a metaphorical statement there. What she meant was that Chaos and all it's incarnations are just bound to the same cycle and system Usagi and all other Senshi and Stars are bound to. It's similar to the reasoning that Kyubey in Madoka isn't technically truly evil either, rather he's just part of the system. Same for Chaos and all it's incarnations, they're just another fact in the circle of life and true enlightenment is accepting them as a part of life rather than trying to defeat it.

She's exactly the same except in the manga she has a different backstory and is obsessed with Usagi. She still destroys stuff, kills people, laughs about it, and acts serious and somber from time to time. Her role in the story is different, but her behavior really isn't.

No she isn't, because that was never the real her in the 90's anime, that was Chaos possessing her. We know very little about the actual Galaxia in the 90's anime besides the fact that she's calm, gentle & self-sacrificial... that's basically it.

Because she admires Usagi for coming to a better solution for dealing with Chaos than she did. That's nothing like being jealous of someone.

This is where her admiration of Usagi eventually comes to in the manga as well. At first she was jealous of her having the most powerful Sailor Crystal in the Galaxy, but that jealousy also eventually turns to admiration because she sees that Usagi is able to accept the way things are and come to peace with the system when Galaxia herself never could.

It was set up.

To be fair it has been awhile since I've seen Stars since it's my least watched season so I might be due for a rewatch and have to pay closer attention to the foreshadowing, I'll concede to you on this point.

 

[kasumigenx]

A twist just for the sake of there being a twist and for shock value doesn’t suddenly make it good writing. The twist first has to have proper set-up beforehand and actually make sense, otherwise it just comes off as contrived.

Both the 90s anime and manga changed the backstory of Galaxia, it is no longer based from the materials collection.

 

[ChaoticMoon]

As a big fan of SM and the old anime, I think it dragged down the entire series' quality.

Galaxia was depicted as a very evil, super ruthless villain, who was extremely cruel against her own sailors and brutally murdered all other senshi. Then it suddenly said: She was possessed! Also Chaos had little screentime/buildup as well. So it just felt so odd. Compare to S, we saw Hotaru's character very well. Mistress 9 is evil but she didn't kill many ppl, and almost got killed by her own boss. I don't see a problem with Usagi trusting Hotaru. The only problem is just one part of the plot: Usagi giving her the Grail and summoned out Pharaoh 90, this part of the plot could have been handled better.

Also the final fight was purely about redemption without a beatdown of Galaxia first to let the audience feel relived for her wrong doing, nor did she make sacrifice to atone her crime. So it left the audience pissed off. Good redemption have the villain to suffer a breakdown for their wrong doing, and sacrifice themselves to help atone the crime. Nephrite, Demande and the black moon sisters being the good example.

It also ruined Usagi's character as well. In the DK arc she was able to stand up and hurt the brainwashed Mamoru because of the Inner Four's sacrifice. Their death(and Mamoru's) made progress and help develop Usagi's character to the heroine who bravely stood against Super Beryl, but in Stars meh, they all died in vain. So it lacks of the impact and development even though there were more deaths.

It would have been much better if it was a Sailor team stand together to beat down Galaxia, THEN redeem her or let Usagi stop the killing blow because Chaos was the true villain. I like Stars overall, but the ending has always been my biggest complain of the entire series.

Sorry this is 2 years late but you summed up my thoughts perfectly. I think I held stars in such high regard because, like some others said, they were deemed the “lost episodes”. Originally I thought the anime ended at SuperS (which I loathed) and was surprised to find there was a final season that was never dubbed; it was like the forbidden fruit. And likewise, I didn’t discover the Sailor Moon manga until a few years after I finished the anime. By that point I knew that an anime can sometimes deviate from the manga story wise but I had no idea it was to THAT extent. Once I read the manga I went back and watched stars again, and the ‘awe’ that I originally felt was reduced to a mere ’eh’.

I had so many questions; Why was Usagi made such a pacifist in the face of Galaxia when in the manga she stood her ground and fought? Why were the outer guardians MIA for 95% of the season when the manga even had them going to the same school as Usagi and co? Why was usagi made to be stupider than ever this season when the manga had her reach peak maturity? Why in GODS name did the starlights overstay their welcome till the bitter end/made the focal point of the entire season when they were barely a blip in the manga?

So so many bad decisions and so so many questions. But I digress. I love the anime with all my heart but you could say I’m more on the ‘manga purist’ side of the spectrum.

 

[Lady Pen]

I had so many questions; Why was Usagi made such a pacifist in the face of Galaxia when in the manga she stood her ground and fought?

Because both Usagis (90's & manga) are "different". Even though Manga Usagi suspiciously started to get her anime counterpart personality as of Infinity arc, like Minako.

Why were the outer guardians MIA for 95% of the season when the manga even had them going to the same school as Usagi and co?

The Outers in the Stars arc do NOTHING. The Outers going to the same school seemed like Naoko had run out of ideas at that point. In Sailor Stars, they were redundant; same sexual jokes, same mature vibe we saw in S, but at least Haru & Michi were useful at the end of the season.

Why was usagi made to be stupider than ever this season when the manga had her reach peak maturity?

I don't know what you mean. Is it fair to say that 90's Usagi is stupid when Manga Usagi had a Three Lights poster on the wall but she didn't know them when she had met them? Was she mature when she was determined to fight Galaxia even after knowing her backstory of solitude? If she were "mature" she shouldn't have boasted about how many friends she had and how she had experienced love & friendship and Galaxia didn't. Then she conveniently helped Galaxia and tried to reason with her once getting the Sailor Crystals back was an impossible task to accomplish, because "she didn't want to lose more friends". I think she's selfish.

Why in GODS name did the starlights overstay their welcome till the bitter end/made the focal point of the entire season when they were barely a blip in the manga?

Because they were the main characters along with Usagi. In the manga they were just plot devices to give information to Usagi about Shadow Galactica, and then they died. Sailor Kakyuu, the same. In the 90's, with the exception of Kakyuu, the Star Lights were real characters; you can love them, hate them or don't care, but they had a development. The Three Lights of the episode 173 were not the same as the ones of the episode 200. They changed thanks to Usagi & her friends actions on earth.

 

[kasumigenx]

Because both Usagis (90's & manga) are "different". Even though Manga Usagi suspiciously started to get her anime counterpart personality as of Infinity arc, like Minako.



The Outers in the Stars arc do NOTHING. The Outers going to the same school seemed like Naoko had run out of ideas at that point. In Sailor Stars, they were redundant; same sexual jokes, same mature vibe we saw in S, but at least Haru & Michi were useful at the end of the season.

TOEI and Bandai don't like the goddess aspect of Usagi/Cosmos so they decided to scrap that from the 90s Sailor Stars and gave that to Galaxia aside from changing the Starlights.

 

[ChaoticMoon]

Because both Usagis (90's & manga) are "different".

This didn’t answer my question and I’m sure this wasn’t your intention but this came off a condescending, as if I’m unfamiliar with the series. I’m well aware of their stark differences. My point was she had no qualms about fighting before; she fought back against all her other enemies because she knew it had to be done, that that was the only way to protect the people she loved. The sharp change in attitude towards fighting this season came off as fast and out of nowhere.

The Outers in the Stars arc do NOTHING. The Outers going to the same school seemed like Naoko had run out of ideas at that point.

Or maybe because the Outers and the Inners are like a year apart from each other in age it made sense for them to all go to the same High School. This was a pretty unnecessary dig at Naoko imo.

I don't know what you mean. Is it fair to say that 90's Usagi is stupid when Manga Usagi had a Three Lights poster on the wall but she didn't know them when she had met them? Was she mature when she was determined to fight Galaxia even after knowing her backstory of solitude? If she were "mature" she shouldn't have boasted about how many friends she had and how she had experienced love & friendship and Galaxia didn't. Then she conveniently helped Galaxia and tried to reason with her once getting the Sailor Crystals back was an impossible task to accomplish, because "she didn't want to lose more friends". I think she's selfish.

I read through this 3 times and couldn’t find any shred of a point. I was half asleep when I made my original comment so ”stupider“ might have been harsher than I intended but If you can’t tell that between S and Stars Usagi in the anime had a severe drop in common sense I really don’t know what to tell you. She was getting older and maturing then it all came to a screeching halt in Stars; like she had a regression of intelligence. Her actions, behavior, and overall naïveté were reminiscent of her Season 1 self it just didn’t make any sense.

What relevance does Galaxia’s solitude have to anything? How is that a justification for the hellified acts she committed? She murdered Mamoru right in front of her, traumatizing her to the point she unconsciously repressed the memory, then proceeded to kill off the rest of her friends. She took away everything she knew and loved to fulfill her own selfish ambition that was always doomed to failure and you really expect Usagi to be understanding? “Oh well you killed everyone near and dear to me but sad background so its ok!” No. Knowing her story doesnt mean she’s obligated to care; that’s not her problem. She was selfish because, instead of standing around crying and getting thrown around like a ragdoll, instead of running away, she stood her ground and fought Galaxia head on? Because she wanted to save and take back the Sailor Crystals of her loved ones?

Because they were the main characters along with Usagi. In the manga they were just plot devices to give information to Usagi about Shadow Galactica, and then they died. Sailor Kakyuu, the same. In the 90's, with the exception of Kakyuu, the Star Lights were real characters; you can love them, hate them or don't care, but they had a development. The Three Lights of the episode 173 were not the same as the ones of the episode 200. They changed thanks to Usagi & her friends actions on earth.

You just proved my point; why were they bumped up to main character status when there was no reason or need for them to be? Why put all of the focus and development on one off characters when there was already of plethora of ESTABLISHED characters that could’ve benefited from it? You’re right in that I don’t care about them, I care that they took up screen time that could’ve went to literally anyone else. Sure they had some nice development (albeit it being close to when the anime was ending but eh) but that doesn’t forgive their being a bigger presence than they needed to be.

 

[Tsundereshipper]

My point was she had no qualms about fighting before; she fought back against all her other enemies because she knew it had to be done, that that was the only way to protect the people she loved. The sharp change in attitude towards fighting this season came off as fast and out of nowhere

This is actually false, 90’s anime Usagi stopped wanting to fight at the end of Classic, and by R she took a strict “try to forgive and redeem my enemies at all costs” policy. Notice how Kunzite and Beryl were the only two villains she ever directly killed herself, every other villain after them was either sabotaged by their own co-workers/bosses, or those who weren’t she would try to make them see the light by any means possible.