Why I love the suicide scene

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sapphire91

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Well, nobody likes Crystal act 12. In fact I despise it due to the guardians and knigts and all the manga changes. But a lot of people hate the suicide scene from the manga and Crystal. It is a drastic contrast with the old show. The old show had the perfect heroine, ready to sactifice eerything for the world and had the strength to go on. Crystal/manga has a very selfish Usagi, that was unable to handle it at her young age. I am a selfish person and I find this approach way more personal. We have a flawed, selfish and human heroine, compared to the selfless superheroine. I find this Usagi more human. She is at the begining of her journey, young and overwhelmed. So I find more connection with her. Just wondered what others feel about it.
 

ChibiBoi

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Well, a heroine who would rather off herself because her boyfriend died is not really someone you can root for, especially not someone who gets insecure because of her daughter the following arc lol But also in the anime, we had more time to get to know Usagi and root for her success, whereas the manga was more like DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA.
 

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Well, a heroine who would rather off herself because her boyfriend died is not really someone you can root for, especially not someone who gets insecure because of her daughter the following arc lol But also in the anime, we had more time to get to know Usagi and root for her success, whereas the manga was more like DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA.
Personally, Usagi being self aware of how idiotic she was being for being jealous over a CHILD showed self awareness so I just thought it funny, haha.

But I also liked how flawed it showed Serenity to be, and Usagi to that extent. People don't sit and consider the existential crisis thats suggested to be happening to Usagi all throughout act 9 and 10 (with the memories returning, implying that she's starting to resemble Serenity's physically, Mamoru dying and being possessed). She's also like 14 when this is happening, so ...its an action taken in her despair and it also ends up resolving Serenity and Endymion's deaths in the past (albeit briefly) at the end of the arc.
 

ChibiBoi

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Personally, Usagi being self aware of how idiotic she was being for being jealous over a CHILD showed self awareness so I just thought it funny, haha.

But I also liked how flawed it showed Serenity to be, and Usagi to that extent. People don't sit and consider the existential crisis thats suggested to be happening to Usagi all throughout act 9 and 10 (with the memories returning, implying that she's starting to resemble Serenity's physically, Mamoru dying and being possessed). She's also like 14 when this is happening, so ...its an action taken in her despair and it also ends up resolving Serenity and Endymion's deaths in the past (albeit briefly) at the end of the arc.
I think they definitely could’ve played it up a bit more in Crystal. I think that’s one of the issues I have with Crystal, it does a lot of telling and not a lot of showing, and the general mood of the first two seasons is a bit flat, neither here nor there with low stakes.
 

Neo King Rose

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yeah not really a fan of the suicide moment
I get they try to do a whole Romeo and Juliet angle but I'm not into that idea
and yeah as much as I love Usagi yes that is selfish, it's no wonder for the longest time I hated the manga version [now a days I like it, the manga I mean]

going by crystal
it's hypocritical Usagi said she wouldn't be a tragic princess again but there she goes going to do it a second time sure it was stopped thanks to the pocket watch and the shittenou stones taking the hits but that don't change the intent

not trying to be bias but 90s finale was just better and more emotional to me, and it wasn't just focus on Usagi and chiba but involved the whole team [and yes crystal did too but they all went down at the same time with out Usagi even seeing em go when it happens rather than Usagi seeing them all go 1 by 1 like the 90s did] and such to me there is more weight


it;s fine if you like how crystal Usagi was during that but not me
 
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GalX3

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Anyone who has truly fallen in love at a young age and lost will know the emotion is crippling and it can destroy you. Factor in that love between the moon and the earth is forbidden and the prospect of reincarnation and I might just do the same under the circumstances. Also in historical Japan killing youself for honorable reasons was not frowned upon.
 
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At first, I thought this topic was the fanbase harassing a user to drive to suicide. Looking back, in the Manga it seemed so rushed that Usagi loved one she had to sacrifice herself so she can be together with him. It harms as hurtful thinking because she's 15 and we know how emotional we could get over stuff that seems so minor. Not that I agree with her position, though I don't seem surprised of people talking about it.
 

FloraKiraraHime

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@Rika-Chicchi I agree Princess Serenity/Princess Sailor Moon is really selfish. She's all "If I can't have Endymionby my side, then I will DESTROY the world!"

@GalX3 That's interesting to know the history of honorable suicides in ancient Japan.
 
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In all fairness, while there is an obvious heroic aspect to Princess Serenity's use of the Crystal at the end of Classic...there is a very strong suicidal element to her actions in the old anime, too.

Note when Sailor Moon finally decides to stop holding back and decides to use the nuclear option; It's when all her friends are dead and when Endymion is dead. It's only when she has nothing left that she decides to go full Princess-mode. She uses that Crystal not only knowing it will kill her, but in large part hoping to die in the attempt. That's why she just wanted to be an ordinary girl again. If her intent was solely to stop Beryl, she would have been resigned at her fate and wouldn't have wanted another chance.

That's the reason why Luna was screaming at her not to use the Crystal. If Luna thought that this was the only way for Beryl to be stopped, she would be sad, but not pleading with her not to use the Crystal. She's not just sad that the girl she mentored made a hard choice; she was despondent that girl was intentionally throwing her life away.

Usagi's actions were not completely selfless at the end of Classic. Instead, she chose Suicide by Hero over Suicide by Sword.
 

SILVER

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I agree Princess Serenity/Princess Sailor Moon is really selfish. She's all "If I can't have Endymionby my side, then I will DESTROY the world!"
I really liked how PGSM ran with the negative aspects of Serenity's character flaws; selfish and obsessive, uncaring (to others) and vengeful. Her destroying the Earth was such a shock upon watching the show the first time and her Princess Sailor Moon form showed her to be ruthless ...it was so good.
 
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Rika-Chicchi

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I really liked how PGSM ran with the negative aspects of Serenity's character flaws; selfish and obsessive, uncaring (to others) and vengeful. Her destroying the Earth was such a shock upon watching the show the first time and her Princess Sailor Moon form showed her to be ruthless ...it was so good.
Her "star" attack was also pretty awesome & cool, & its not even having a name only makes it even cooler. :cool: It's also nice that she'd got her own closest guards (who looked a bit like Moonlight Knight, BTW lol ) - similar to those red guards of Emperor Palpatine in Star Wars - hence even the Inners were actually not her closest guards.
 
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yeah not really a fan of the suicide moment
I get they try to do a whole Romeo and Juliet angle but I'm not into that idea
and yeah as much as I love Usagi yes that is selfish, it's no wonder for the longest time I hated the manga version [now a days I like it, the manga I mean]

going by crystal
it's hypocritical Usagi said she wouldn't be a tragic princess again but there she goes going to do it a second time sure it was stopped thanks to the pocket watch and the shittenou stones taking the hits but that don't change the intent

not trying to be bias but 90s finale was just better and more emotional to me, and it wasn't just focus on Usagi and chiba but involved the whole team [and yes crystal did too but they all went down at the same time with out Usagi even seeing em go when it happens rather than Usagi seeing them all go 1 by 1 like the 90s did] and such to me there is more weight


it;s fine if you like how crystal Usagi was during that but not me
I wish Crystal Usagi had said I won't be a tragic princess! I'm going to win to be my own kind of princess! instead. The aim to be my own kind of princess line would've been a reference to episode 37 of the 90s anime where Usagi says that line at the end of the episode.